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MOXJO7282 said:
This is good, now its "forget the law" but two minutes ago I was committing fraud.

Please tell me how you stay so pure? What's it like not to lie? I need to go to church every Sunday to ask for forgiveness of my sins but you must be able to just watch it on TV.
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Your ad is fraud. You by your own admission posted an ad selling a week for a price you would never accept. The fact that nobody prosecutes you for placing the ad is not the point. You look for any glimpse of doubt as vindication.

Yes I have told lies. Everyone does. When I tell a lie I am typically ashamed that I did so. In fact I can't remember a lie I was so proud of that I would post it on line, brag about it, and defend it against all reason.
 
MOXJO7282 said:
You can read but obviously you can't understand. But you do understand I'm sure, you're just trying to maintain the controversy, which is what you do.


just saying....
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As you like to say, stop digging with the weak legal stuff, you're better off going with the immoral crowd, or are you one of those that would break the mirror if we shined it on your morals?
 
tombo said:
Your ad is fraud. You by your own admission posted an ad selling a week for a price you would never accept. The fact that nobody prosecutes you for placing the ad is not the point. You look for any glimpse of doubt as vindication.

Yes I have told lies. Everyone does. When I tell a lie I am typically ashamed that I did so. In fact I can't remember a lie I was so proud of that I would post it on line, brag about it, and defend it against all reason.
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"Typically ashamed" that an interesting choice of words?
 
MOXJO7282 said:
This is not even close. Another who doesn't understand the basics of an offer and acceptance, and bait and switch.
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How is it "not even close"? Although my 40 year career has been in criminal law, I think I have a general understanding of consumer regulations.
 
california-bighorn said:
How is it "not even close"? Although my 40 year career has been in criminal law, I think I have a general understanding of consumer regulations.
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No deal was ever consummated, as I never accepted their offer, so therefore everything else is moot. Look it up.

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Call me immoral if you'd like but stop with the legal angle because its baseless.
 
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MOXJO7282 said:
No deal was ever consummated, as I never accepted their offer, so therefore everything else is moot. Look it up.
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No you made the offer to sell and they accepted your offer. Look it up.
 
This thread is 6 pages long and it reminds me of a family argument during the holidays around the Christmas tree.:hysterical:
 
MOXJO7282 said:
No deal was ever consummated, as I never accepted their offer, so therefore everything else is moot. Look it up.
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So you really believe that you could stand in front of a jury of your peers, admit that you ran an ad to sell a week for x$'s even though you wouldn't sell it for the price you listed, turn down a buyer trying to buy the week for your advertised price, and be acquitted for fraudulent advertising? I bet you would have to pay triple damages.
 
MOXJO7282 said:
As you like to say, stop digging with the weak legal stuff, you're better off going with the immoral crowd, or are you one of those that would break the mirror if we shined it on your morals?
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Actually Joe I was trying to point out to vkempson that perhaps you did break the law (not being a jury I can't say for sure :rolleyes:)

But - that was directed to vkempson - not you.

As to you: I'm not the one who thinks lying is OK - I think it's wrong.

Would that break your moral mirror?
 
tombo said:
So you really believe that you could stand in front of a jury of your peers, admit that you ran an ad to sell a week for x$'s even though you wouldn't sell it for the price you listed, turn down a buyer trying to buy the week for your advertised price, and be acquitted for fraudulent advertising? I bet you would have to pay triple damages.
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Yes because they would be instructed as to what the law is a would have no grounds to charge me. In the court of public opinion it would be mixed, but only a few would be so high and mighty as you and Rick.
 
MOXJO7282 said:
Wrong. Its the opposite I'm afarid.
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So what if before i could take down the ad 7 people sent me a note that I want the unit? Would I be liable to all because they accepted my offer? Sorry that's not the way it works with classified ads.
 
MOXJO7282 said:
Wrong. Its the opposite I'm afarid.
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You'll have to educate me on this. How is your advertisement to sell your timeshare not an offer and the would be buyer telling you they want to buy it from you not an acceptance of your offer? Your "what if" is not a valid argument. If you had other offers come in prior to taking your ad down you had fullfilled your obligation if you had legitimately sold the unit being advertised. No one could fault you for that.
 
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california-bighorn said:
You'll have to educate me on this. How is your advertisement to sell your timeshare not an offer and the would be buyer telling you they want to buy it from you not an acceptance of your offer?
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Because its not a offer to anyone in particular. If it were you would be right. If I said Tombo I'm offering you my TS for XX, that is an offer. Since its not to anyone specifically it can not be considered a "binding offer", and the offer is from the person that contacted me who said hey I'll offer you xx, and then I have the opportunity to accept.

You're an attorney and you don't know that?
 
ampaholic said:
Actually Joe I was trying to point out to vkempson that perhaps you did break the law (not being a jury I can't say for sure :rolleyes:)

But - that was directed to vkempson - not you.

As to you: I'm not the one who thinks lying is OK - I think it's wrong.

Would that break your moral mirror?
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Hey Joe perhaps you missed my question? Let me rephrase it --

I'm not the one who thinks lying is OK - I think it's wrong.

Would that break your moral mirror?
 
MOXJO7282 said:
Because its not a offer to anyone in particular. If it were you would be right. If I said Tombo I'm offering you my TS for XX, that is an offer. Since its not to anyone specifically it can not be considered a "binding offer", and the offer is from the person that contacted me who said hey I'll offer you xx, and then I have the opportunity to accept.

You're an attorney and you don't know that?
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I'll just tell you California consumer laws differ from your belief of the law. For example, in the example I gave of the auto dealers placing ads in the paper those offers to sell at that price certainly can not be directed to any one person specifically. The offer to sell at that particular price is valid for anyone reading the ad.
 
ampaholic said:
Hey Joe perhaps you missed my question? Let me rephrase it --

I'm not the one who thinks lying is OK - I think it's wrong.

Would that break your moral mirror?
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I do think lying is OK in certain situation. When it does no harm lik in this case. I'm really good with my moral standing.

Hey answer this because no one really has? How did I harm anyone?

Shouldn't that be the basis on judgement? What if what I did caused no harm, would you still rag on me for lying?

Is lying still wrong if it doesn't harm?
 
california-bighorn said:
I'll just tell you California consumer laws differ from your belief of the law. For example, in the example I gave of the auto dealers placing ads in the paper those offers to sell at that price certainly can not be directed to any one person specifically. The offer to sell at that particular price is valid for anyone reading the ad.
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That is totally apples and oranges. I'm not taking advantage in any way of the person that I turn away. In the car dealership scenerio they are trying to scam the person and they don't turn them away. Don't you get that?
 
california-bighorn said:
I'll just tell you California consumer laws differ from your belief of the law. For example, in the example I gave of the auto dealers placing ads in the paper those offers to sell at that price certainly can not be directed to any one person specifically. The offer to sell at that particular price is valid for anyone reading the ad.
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This is what I don't get. Of all the examples like this and the Madoff reference those people took advantage and robbed people.
I at the very worst fibbed to strangers and wasted about a minute of their time but did not take advantage of anyone.

Let me ask this, if I did what I did and just said "Not available" would everyone still be so uptight?
 
Enough with the beating of a dead horse. :deadhorse:

I realize that there are strong feelings on this issue, but this thread has degenerated into the same few people stating and restating the same arguments over and over again.

It's time to let this issue rest. Six pages of comments are enough.

Steve
TUG Moderator
 
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