DSV-I and II TDI for trading

[10spro]

I've owned my DSV-I White week for 10+ years, and once I discovered II trading, have successfully been to Hawaii most years. I have recently become a multi-weeks owner, same property, same season, so now I'm looking to reserve at 13 months. I always split and deposit to II for trading, but have never called at the right time, so instead of the highest demand week (Week 46/47 according to II TDI calendar), I've always ended up with Week 45 or 44 or 43, and even with those, my trading options have been amazing.

My question is about the TDI calendar (below for reference). For 2021, the greatest demand for my season is shown as Week 47, which is Thanksgiving, but for 2022, it shows Week 46, which is the week before. Any idea about that? Will the II system go by this chart, or should I still reserve the actual week of Thanksgiving? Or should I take Labor Day weekend when I know it's busy? Or book Canadian Thanksgiving? Or does it matter? Like I said, I've always had great trading success, but want to optimize if possible, and take advantage now that I'm able to reserve 13 months out.

 

[dioxide45]

If you have had great success, I wouldn't stress too much about it. In the end, the actual week you book probably makes little difference except perhaps for some of those highest demand trades. That said, if you are locking off and depositing studios and 1BR units there is already value lost. I would put more importance on Marriott to Marriott priority in II vs the actual demand of the week you deposit. Depositing a higher demand week may get you a 1% gain for more stress and is it really worth it?

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

I agree. Why fix something that already works well......



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[turkel]

Well it’s very easy to book Thanksgiving week at Shadow Ridge at 13 months. You don’t need an atomic clock or get up at the crack of dawn either. Why not shoot for the highest TDI you can get with reasonable effort.

 

[BJRSanDiego]

I own at Desert springs (White) also. I typically reserve thanksgiving week to get the highest TDI. I check on the Marriott helpful tools to find the 13 month release date for Thanksgiving. Then I set the alarm clock (I'm in Calif) and am on the phone at 6 am. Every time that I have done that, I have been successful. Before I owned two DSV white weeks, I'd call in at the 12 month point and was also successful. So, it can be done with good success if you apply the proper discipline. Not a criticism, but just a comment....

Also, I try to put in my Hawaii requests (all Marriott associated properties) about a year and a half in advance.

 

[10spro]

I own at Desert springs (White) also. I typically reserve thanksgiving week to get the highest TDI. I check on the Marriott helpful tools to find the 13 month release date for Thanksgiving. Then I set the alarm clock (I'm in Calif) and am on the phone at 6 am. Every time that I have done that, I have been successful. Before I owned two DSV white weeks, I'd call in at the 12 month point and was also successful. So, it can be done with good success if you apply the proper discipline. Not a criticism, but just a comment....

Also, I try to put in my Hawaii requests (all Marriott associated properties) about a year and a half in advance.

For Thanksgiving 2022, will you book Week 47, which includes the holiday, or will you book Week 46 per the II TDI chart?

 

[Dean]

For Thanksgiving 2022, will you book Week 47, which includes the holiday, or will you book Week 46 per the II TDI chart?

For Thursday & Friday check in week 46 is Thanksgiving. II tends to be fairly general for their trade power assignments so I doubt it'll make any difference. You should reserve at 13 months out and get one of each or try for week 46 with 47 as a backup plan.

 

[Volcom32001]

I've owned my DSV-I White week for 10+ years, and once I discovered II trading, have successfully been to Hawaii most years. I have recently become a multi-weeks owner, same property, same season, so now I'm looking to reserve at 13 months. I always split and deposit to II for trading, but have never called at the right time, so instead of the highest demand week (Week 46/47 according to II TDI calendar), I've always ended up with Week 45 or 44 or 43, and even with those, my trading options have been amazing.

My question is about the TDI calendar (below for reference). For 2021, the greatest demand for my season is shown as Week 47, which is Thanksgiving, but for 2022, it shows Week 46, which is the week before. Any idea about that? Will the II system go by this chart, or should I still reserve the actual week of Thanksgiving? Or should I take Labor Day weekend when I know it's busy? Or book Canadian Thanksgiving? Or does it matter? Like I said, I've always had great trading success, but want to optimize if possible, and take advantage now that I'm able to reserve 13 months out.

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I'm new to II, so it sounds like for the best trading power you use the color codes on the bottom for the specific year(green 2021/orange 2022. But to me it looks like the blue week 51 and 52 have the best trading power. Do you not use the blue(2021-2022)?

 

[10spro]

I'm new to II, so it sounds like for the best trading power you use the color codes on the bottom for the specific year(green 2021/orange 2022. But to me it looks like the blue week 51 and 52 have the best trading power. Do you not use the blue(2021-2022)?

Week 51 and 52 are best and highest, but sadly for me, not available with my White week.

 

[BJRSanDiego]

Let me think through this as I type. I'm putting down my thought process so that others can cross check me.

1. Thanksgiving is Thursday November 24. If I wanted to spend Thanksgiving in Palms Desert, I'd probably look for a check in the previous Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday - - Nov

2. I think that Marriott's calendar is screwed up. Or at least it is kind of funky/confusing. Years ago I had read that timeshare weeks start on Thursday. But it appears with Marriott that they rotate and can start perhaps on any day of the week. For instance, for 2022 they start on a Saturday. In 2021 they started on a Friday. On their Helpful tools it say says that week 46 includes check in on Thursday Nov. 17, Friday Nov 18, Saturday Nov 12, Sunday Nov 13, and Monday Nov 14. So, according to Marriott, Thanksgiving might include part of week 46 and part of week 47. Now, isn't that "special"

3. Interval's calendar says that week 46 includes Friday Nov 18, Saturday Nov 19 and Sunday Nov 20. So, because ii are the folks to really assign the TDI, I'm going to book Friday, Sat or Sunday Nov 18, 19 or 20. That way it'll include Thanksgiving. If I can't get that then I'll include Monday the 21st. Booking a Thursday might be "indeterminant" in my mind. What would have a better demand? Checking in on Thanksgiving or checking out on Thanksgiving. I'm not sure, but I would suspect checking in on Thanksgiving would be preferable . But that is a guess.

Anyone find a flaw in my logic?

 

[GetawaysRus]

BJR, do you have a copy of the 2022 (and after) Interval calendar? Can you post it? I can't find it anywhere.

 

[davidvel]

The TDI chart is trying to find Thanksgiving week. I can tell you the hardest week to book (which shows me highest demand) in white/gold Marriott desert is Saturday check in before Thanksgiving. Next is the Sunday before and then Friday before.

In my experience, this week has notbly higher trade power than any other white/gold week. So get it if you can. That being said, these resorts trade well and easily trade up in size to Marriott Hawaii 2BR for non school weeks.

 

[10spro]

The TDI chart is trying to find Thanksgiving week. I can tell you the hardest week to book (which shows me highest demand) in white/gold Marriott desert is Saturday check in before Thanksgiving. Next is the Sunday before and then Friday before.

In my experience, this week has notbly higher trade power than any other white/gold week. So get it if you can. That being said, these resorts trade well and easily trade up in size to Marriott Hawaii 2BR for non school weeks.

This is my dilemma. The Sat before Thanksgiving is Nov 19, which is Week 47, typically it is highest TDI for White, but in 2022 it got bumped below mid way (reference II TDI chart in my first post). So do I go with what I think, which is Sat Nov 19 check-in, or follow II TDI chart and go with Fri Nov 18, which is Week 46 and highest demand for 2022 according to the chart?

 

[davidvel]

This is my dilemma. The Sat before Thanksgiving is Nov 19, which is Week 47, typically it is highest TDI for White, but in 2022 it got bumped below mid way (reference II TDI chart in my first post). So do I go with what I think, which is Sat Nov 19 check-in, or follow II TDI chart and go with Fri Nov 18 which at least includes the holiday?

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You are over thinking this. Forget the TDI chart.

People in LA and So Cal have been spending Thanksgiving in the desert since I was a kid (many decades ago). Book your week so Thanksgiving is in the middle. This is the highest demand week and II's computers will know it.

Forget Thursday/Friday check in/out. Try to get check in, in this order: SAT, SUN, MON. In the chart above it is week 47 (which it usually is.)

 

[BJRSanDiego]

BJR, do you have a copy of the 2022 (and after) Interval calendar? Can you post it? I can't find it anywhere.

The calendars are located under "Document Library" located within the Community. But you can only find it if you have already opened up another community post. But here is the link: https://community.intervalworld.com/iw00sitez/pdfs/Updated_Calendars_for_2021-2024.pdf
I suspect that you may need to already be logged into ii to see this.

@davidvel gave you good advice.

BTW, check on Marriottvacationclub.com for the earliest day for 13 month (or 12 month) check in. some people don't know that Marriott opens the entire week at the same time. But if you check out the Marriott earliest booking date, it'll tell you that.

 

[Dean]

BJR, do you have a copy of the 2022 (and after) Interval calendar? Can you post it? I can't find it anywhere.

MVC uses the standard timeshare calendar other than for Monarch (which is a week off as all Sea Pines resorts are I believe). You can just google timeshare calendar, they are everywhere.

 

[dioxide45]

BJR, do you have a copy of the 2022 (and after) Interval calendar? Can you post it? I can't find it anywhere.

II's calendar only goes up to 2022 and can be found by going to the resort you are looking at depositing and clicking on "Travel Demand Index". It is only one chart/calendar with 2021 and 2022 combined.

 

[10spro]

I found out the answer to my question regarding highest value DSV-1 White week. Called Marriott at 6am California time, actually started calling a few minutes early to be sure I got in, was on hold for 3-4 minutes, and after all that, Saturday 11/19 check-in was not available. I could get Sunday 11/20, but only 1 week was available, and I could get Friday 11/18, but only 1 week was available. This is my first time calling in at 13 months and I am hugely disappointed, as it seems like there's almost no advantage over 12 months. I did book those weeks, just so I have them, but may set the wakeup call again at 12 months to see if anything else pops up.

 

[djyamyam]

Davidvel is absolutely correct. I've been at DSVII every year for the past 9 years for a golf trip, always checking in on Black Friday. The resort is already full or mostly full by when we check in. By Mon/Tues following the long weekend, the resort is super low occupancy

 

[BJRSanDiego]

I found out the answer to my question regarding highest value DSV-1 White week. Called Marriott at 6am California time, actually started calling a few minutes early to be sure I got in, was on hold for 3-4 minutes, and after all that, Saturday 11/19 check-in was not available. I could get Sunday 11/20, but only 1 week was available, and I could get Friday 11/18, but only 1 week was available. This is my first time calling in at 13 months and I am hugely disappointed, as it seems like there's almost no advantage over 12 months. I did book those weeks, just so I have them, but may set the wakeup call again at 12 months to see if anything else pops up.

For the past 3 weeks I was in Hawaii, returning last night. I was still on Hawaii time and it was like getting up at 3 am. So, I found it painful to set the alarm for 6 am Calif. time. But I did. I almost always try to reserve Thanksgiving for max. tradeability.

I had the same ~ 5 minute hold. I reserved my first unit (at DSV I) and I could only get a Friday check in. But when we went to reserve the 2nd unit (DSV2), Fri, Sat, Sun and Mon. were open. I found that strange. So, I went back and did a split of the Friday 2 BR l/o and now Fri, Sat Sun and Mon. were available.

There have been a few times when I'm doing a manual search that I'll see something like Marriott Newport Coast for mid Sept. If I don't have a unit that I've deposited and can use for the exchange, I will then do a fake search using whatever unit I could actually deposit and also check to see if I can snag NCV with an efficiency (as opposed to a 1 BR deposit). I recall depositing a week 22-26 efficiency and being able to trade it for a Sept. 2 br. I know that if I had waited until Oct or Nov to reserve thanksgiving week that the NCV would be gone.

 

[10spro]

There have been a few times when I'm doing a manual search that I'll see something like Marriott Newport Coast for mid Sept. If I don't have a unit that I've deposited and can use for the exchange, I will then do a fake search using whatever unit I could actually deposit and also check to see if I can snag NCV with an efficiency (as opposed to a 1 BR deposit). I recall depositing a week 22-26 efficiency and being able to trade it for a Sept. 2 br. I know that if I had waited until Oct or Nov to reserve thanksgiving week that the NCV would be gone.

I had no idea you could do a fake search. That is so helpful to know. I'm in there pretty often doing a manual search and always worried about running out of real weeks to search with. I didn't realize you could use any of those in your account, just as a test, even if it doesn't have a deposit.

 

[BJRSanDiego]

I had no idea you could do a fake search. That is so helpful to know. I'm in there pretty often doing a manual search and always worried about running out of real weeks to search with. I didn't realize you could use any of those in your account, just as a test, even if it doesn't have a deposit.

Yes, to do a fake search, just come up with an eight digit (?) number for the reservation. I've used numbers like 88888888 and plug in a check-in date that corresponds with a legitimate check in day. That way you can check to see what a low TDI unit might see and what a very high TDI might find. Keep in mind that you are looking at the units that remain after the computer matches are made to other people's on-going searches. Also keep in mind that if you find something that you want to actually book that you'll need to plug in real res details.

I also do exploratory or educational searches using booked exchanges using either the ePlus or retrade function to do searches.

 

[GrayFal]

You are over thinking this. Forget the TDI chart.

People in LA and So Cal have been spending Thanksgiving in the desert since I was a kid (many decades ago). Book your week so Thanksgiving is in the middle. This is the highest demand week and II's computers will know it.

Forget Thursday/Friday check in/out. Try to get check in, in this order: SAT, SUN, MON. In the chart above it is week 47 (which it usually is.)

Agree 100%!