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DSLR camera buying advice

Comparing the Costco bundle with the same kit on Amazon, the Costco kit has a 32gb memory card included. The Amazon kit doesn't apparently come with a card. On Amazon, adding a 16gb card adds $10 to the price, so presumably a 32gb card would add $20. (I didn't check the exact price.) This is one of those cases where Costco's bundle is a shade better than what's on the street. And again, that 90-day no-questions-asked return policy makes this a great kit for a really nice price. (I can't emphasize that return policy enough. It's a huge thing.)

Dave
 
Just to be a bit of a contrarian......Jan, have you truly mastered the capabilities of something you will likely have with you at all times - your (hopefully modern) cell phone?

A little OT: My phone has an excellent camera. But since it doesn't have a viewfinder, it's impossible to see what I'm snapping when outdoors in bright sunlight. So I rarely take pictures with it.
 
Long winded explanation of "Four Thirds" and other image sensor sizes (if you just want to skip to the actual "Four Thirds" explanation jump down to the ***):

35mm film has a frame size of 36mm wide x 24 mm high (a 4:3 ratio). This results in an overall picture area of around 864 square mm. Most (all?) digital cameras use sensors with form factors in this same 4:3 ratio.

A full frame DSLR has a sensor about the same size as a 35mm film frame, 36mm x 24 mm, so with a standard lens of any particular focal length, you'd get essentially the same image size as you would with a 35mm film camera. Many digital cameras, though have smaller sensors than this. If you mounted that same lens from a 35mm film camera on a digital camera with a smaller than 36x24mm sensor, only the central part of the image that falls on the sensor would be captured and the stuff around the outside would be lost. This means that on such a camera you can have smaller diameter lenses that are less bulky and less expensive that only project their images on the actual sensor area and still get the same overall image size. But that compactness comes at a price. In general, with the smaller sensor area, the fewer pixels (individual picture elements or "dots") it can capture. This is important if you are blowing your picture up to make very large prints, or will be cropping it down to very small portions of the overall original image, but for most of us who now show our pictures on computer monitors or tv screens, or just upload to social media, this extra detail is lost anyway and only serves to unnecessarily send our image file sizes into the stratosphere.

For instance I have a "point-and-shoot" camera (Panasonic Lumix ZS40, a couple of generations old but still plugging away very well). Its sensor is only 6.17 mm x 4.56mm for an area of about 28 sq mm, much smaller than a 35mm film frame or a full sized DSLR. With the sensor in that particular camera, that still yields a 4:3 image size of 4896 x 3672 pixels, plenty large to get a full HDTV size of 1920x1080, or even a 4K TV image of 3840x2160, but you probably wouldn't want to print this out to much over an 16" or so print. (There are other factors besides number of pixels that affect image quality but that's beyond the scope of this post.)

So how is that 6.17mm x 4.56mm sensor in my ZS40 described? They say it is 1/2.3" -- say what??

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Turns out this terminology is a carry over from early video days when TV camera sensors were described by the outside diameter of the vacuum tube sensors used at the time. The 1/2.3-inch sensor in my camera is supposed to be about the size that an old video sensor would have if its overall tube diameter was about 0.435" (1/2.3 inch = about 0.435") Other common ones are 1/1.7" (a bit larger than mine), and 1/1.25" (a bit smaller than mine). Many mobile phone cameras have even smaller sensors. This nomenclature makes little sense today but that's the way it's done.

Okay, finally we get to "Four Thirds". There are digital cameras with sensors considerably larger than my Lumix ZS40 but smaller than a "full size" DSLR. Such cameras have sensors listed as the equivalent in size to those of "1 Inch" vacuum tubes (116 sq mm) and "Four Thirds" (i.e 4/3" = 1.33") vacuum tubes (225 sq mm), etc. There's also an "APS-C" format that breaks from this nomenclature and is larger yet. These provide improved image resolution over the point-and-shoot cameras with smaller sensors, but also are larger and bulkier, with larger and bulkier lenses, and higher (often MUCH higher) prices.

Many pundits suggest for "serious photography" the minimum sensor size is the "1 inch type". A "Four Thirds" camera has a sensor area almost twice that of a "1 inch" (225 vs 116 sq m).

Here's a fairly decent reference on all this: http://photoseek.com/2013/compare-d...ame-35mm-aps-c-micro-four-thirds-1-inch-type/
 
my $.02 - Before you buy a camera from Amazon or Costco go to a store that has a good selection of different camera systems such as Best Buy and shoot some photos in the store using different cameras and lenses. I've been using cameras and lenses for years now and the trend is toward mirrorless systems like the above mentioned "4/3". Mirrorless cameras are easier to handle and are better for traveling. And the mirrorless cameras can still use the big DSLR lens
 
The Costco link is for the Canon T6, not the T6i. But I know I just saw the deal somewhere for the 6i.
Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't catch that. That makes a pretty big difference.
 
But this year, I purchased a Fuji XP130 waterproof camera to use instead of the S700. It is a substantial, very small camera that has the added feature of working underwater - perfect when snorkeling in Hawaii. (Which will happen in just a few weeks. :thumbup:)

Dave
Please let me know how this Fuji camera works out for you. I usually use my iPhone for underwater pictures but have ruined at least two when the cases didn’t fit correctly. I am also looking for a good waterproof camera that’s easy to operate and not too expensive.
 
I had thought of buying a DSLR, but for traveling, I didn't want to haul a large camera, lenses, and flash unit. I ended up buying one of the best fixed lens cameras (at the time), the Canon PowerShot G1 X. It has most o the features of a DSLR, but is lighter, and small enough to carry in a convenient camera bag. As a result, I take it with me more often. Because of the large sensor, it performs well even in low light.

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Please let me know how this Fuji camera works out for you. I usually use my iPhone for underwater pictures but have ruined at least two when the cases didn’t fit correctly. I am also looking for a good waterproof camera that’s easy to operate and not too expensive.

I'll be sure to let you know. It's currently on sale at Costco (where else? ;) ) for $149. Killer deal. Normal price is $200. I picked it up to try on this trip in a few weeks, so I'll let you know when I get back how it worked. Tests around my house looked great. I haven't tried it underwater yet. https://www.costco.com/FUJIFILM-Finepix-XP130-Digital-Camera-Bundle.product.100401581.html

Dave
 
Pretty much the same as the Costco deal, except Costco comes with a 32GB chip.

from the add

Included Free
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SanDisk - Ultra PLUS 32GB SDHC UHS-I Memory Card
With a 32GB storage capacity, this SanDisk Ultra Plus SDSDUSC-032G-AN6IN SDHC memory card features ample space to store your photos, high-definition videos and other content.
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Sunpak - PlatinumPlus 5858D 58" Tripod - Black
This Sunpak PlatinumPlus 5858D 620-585BB tripod stabilizes your camera or camcorder when taking self-portraits, family photos and more to ensure sharp, detailed images. The 3-way pan head enables simple adjustments, so you can frame shots to your liking.
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Shutterfly - $25 TO SPEND OR 8x8 PHOTO BOOK
CHOOSE YOUR FREE GIFT: $25 TO SPEND OR 8x8 PHOTO BOOK
 
All things equal between Costco, Best Buy, Sam Club and even Amazon. I would go with Costco in purchasing a new camera. Costco electronics policy is the very best in retail. You have 90 day’s to use and try out your new camera with no re stocking fees from Costco.

Costco in my opinion have the very best return policy in the retail industry right now.
 
In 2005, I spent some money and bought a refurbished Nikon D200 from B&H (out of New York City). I still use that camera, it still gives phenomenal photos, even though it does not do (*ugh*) video. I say that as I am a purist, a DSLR is for photos, video cameras are for movies. My point is, you don't have to buy brand new for quality. You could buy a 1-year or 2-year old Nikon or Canon (should be "manufacturer refurbished") and get years of great photographs and save money.

TS
 
from the add

Included Free
3142553_sa.jpg;maxHeight=105;maxWidth=105

SanDisk - Ultra PLUS 32GB SDHC UHS-I Memory Card
With a 32GB storage capacity, this SanDisk Ultra Plus SDSDUSC-032G-AN6IN SDHC memory card features ample space to store your photos, high-definition videos and other content.
1802042_ra.jpg;maxHeight=105;maxWidth=105

Sunpak - PlatinumPlus 5858D 58" Tripod - Black
This Sunpak PlatinumPlus 5858D 620-585BB tripod stabilizes your camera or camcorder when taking self-portraits, family photos and more to ensure sharp, detailed images. The 3-way pan head enables simple adjustments, so you can frame shots to your liking.
6210904_sa.jpg;maxHeight=105;maxWidth=105

Shutterfly - $25 TO SPEND OR 8x8 PHOTO BOOK
CHOOSE YOUR FREE GIFT: $25 TO SPEND OR 8x8 PHOTO BOOK
Good to know. I didn't scroll down. Thanks for pointing that out. A bit better deal than Costco. Not sure the tripod is worth all that much though.
 
Good to know. I didn't scroll down. Thanks for pointing that out. A bit better deal than Costco. Not sure the tripod is worth all that much though.

Only if you intend to keep the camera. Best Buy charges a restocking fee if you return something, it has to be unopened, and within (I think) two weeks. If it's opened, used, not broken, and you just want your money back, they charge a 15% restocking fee, which may be taxed in your state.

That 90-day Costco return policy, no questions asked, is extremely valuable for something like this. You can get a tripod anywhere. :)

Dave
 
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I like my Panasonic Lumix G5...i have two cameras and several lenses. For a great experience I know someone who highly recommends Sony RX10 m IV ...one lens that does it all...the fellows photos are always amazing...it doesn't come cheap but looks to be worth it.
 
Not sure if you have picked up a camera yet, but if you haven't, maybe take a look at the new Canon EOS M50. We just bought it, haven't received it yet. It is getting great reviews. It is a mirrorless camera like the G7X, but has a lot more features than the G7X. Tons of videos on YouTube with reviews of the camera.
 
Not sure if you have picked up a camera yet, but if you haven't, maybe take a look at the new Canon EOS M50. We just bought it, haven't received it yet. It is getting great reviews. It is a mirrorless camera like the G7X, but has a lot more features than the G7X. Tons of videos on YouTube with reviews of the camera.


I use the older Canon M5 mirrorless. But that type of camera is for people that buy (or already own) interchangeable lens. Probably for most people reading this thread a Canon powershot, Sony RX100, Panansonic, etc will work just fine
 
I use the older Canon M5 mirrorless. But that type of camera is for people that buy (or already own) interchangeable lens. Probably for most people reading this thread a Canon powershot, Sony RX100, Panansonic, etc will work just fine
The interchangeable lens is actually one of the benefits and gives you added flexibility going forward. Not sure that you already must have any M series lenses, you can add them as you get acclimated to the camera and want or need more. We are actually already considering the 22mm lens and we don't even have the camera yet.
 
The interchangeable lens is actually one of the benefits and gives you added flexibility going forward. Not sure that you already must have any M series lenses, you can add them as you get acclimated to the camera and want or need more. We are actually already considering the 22mm lens and we don't even have the camera yet.


Oh yes, I have older Canon DSLR lenses and it's easy to use them on mirrorless. I also have the 22mm f/2 "pancake" lens - small, light and cheap. I use that in museums
 
We bought the Canon Rebel package dealio and I really didn't like using it too much. You kind of need to know a bit about the lenses and settings to take really good pictures. It does take really good pictures but it is kind of bulky considering how big the case that holds the accessories is.

We also bought a Nikon Coolpix L380 that has everything built in. I really like this camera because it takes great pictures and videos plus it is easy to use. It is not really small like a cell phone or small camera but it is way smaller than the Rebel.

The Canon Rebel has a delay between pictures. The Nikon doesn't.

The Canon Rebel can use some really expensive lenses. The Nikon Coolpix just has the one lens that gives a 34x optical wide zoom in hd.

Most of my pictures are taken on my Samsung G8.

Bill
 
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