Do HRC Stays Count Toward Elite Status?

[Sonomamon]

And if so, do they count toward Bonvoy or Hyatt?
I recently stayed at the Highlands in Carmel, on an Access package.
They mentioned that the timeshare part of the property was owned by Marriott, and the hotel part by Hyatt.
I did get 25k Hyatt points as part of my package, but does the stay count for anything, as far as elite status is concerned?

Thank you.

 

[PerryKing]

No !


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[Sonomamon]

No !


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Bummer. Thank you.

 

[PerryKing]

Maybe the actual hotel stay part. Meaning you purchased it through Hyatt Hotels .com I’m guessing. . But not the TS part. And probably not even the stay through the rental of the timeshare through Hyatt hotel web site or reservations.


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[PerryKing]

I could be wrong about what you called the Hotel part. But I don’t think so. One reason being there really is no “ Hotel Section “ at Carmel as far as I know. It’s just their way of presenting the way they rent owners unused time share interest.


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[PerryKing]

I could be wrong about what you called the Hotel part. But I don’t think so. One reason being there really is no “ Hotel Section “ at Carmel as far as I know. It’s just their way of presenting the way they rent owners unused time share interest.


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[PerryKing]

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And P.S. Marriott actually now owns the HRC. Using the Hyatt name under license from HYATT. I would SAY the person that told you all that either did not know what really was going on, or did not understand it their selves. Unless I don’t know either !


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[PerryKing]

What was the Access package ? What was the benifits of it and who sold it to you ? I bet in the fine print that they will discuss the earning of status and probably exclude it.


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[PerryKing]

Also if you had used The Chase Hyatt Hotel credit card for your stay you would have gotten points on your card for what you spent even probably 4X points. ( maybe).


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[Pathways]

I could be wrong about what you called the Hotel part. But I don’t think so. One reason being there really is no “ Hotel Section “ at Carmel as far as I know. It’s just their way of presenting the way they rent owners unused time share interest.

Highlands Inn is like a few other HRC locations where they 'share' with a hotel. All of the 500 series rooms are the Hyatt Hotel. (Owned by Hyatt). 100-400 series rooms are HRC which are 'managed' owned by Marriott VC.

The Hyatt Hotel rooms would give you the normal stay/points with Hyatt (World of Hyatt)

The timeshare would be Marriott but I don't believe they are giving Bonvoy points. I believe they are still giving WOH points.

 

[Sonomamon]

What was the Access package ? What was the benifits of it and who sold it to you ? I bet in the fine print that they will discuss the earning of status and probably exclude it.


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That's one of those packages where you go there on a TS presentation, turn down the purchase, and they offer you another stay, discounted, paid monthly with no interest, and when you return, you get points and the opportunity to buy the same deal you were offered when you originally stayed.
Maybe I will find that package and look through the fine print. But I was guessing it probably doesn't count. Got out of the sales pitch pretty easily, telling them I was backed up on vacations because of Covid. I am. It does seem that Hyatt's ownership is better than Westin's, which is what I own, but Westin TS stays count towards Bonvoy elite status.

 

[Sonomamon]

Also if you had used The Chase Hyatt Hotel credit card for your stay you would have gotten points on your card for what you spent even probably 4X points. ( maybe).


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I actually spent nothing at the hotel. Restaurant didn't open until my 3rd day. tried to go for dinner, but they were only open for breakfast and lunch.
Did get 5x points at restaurants and grocery stores, though. I don't recall the restaurant being anything special anyway.

 

[Pathways]

rooms are HRC which are owned by Marriott VC.

I corrected it to say 'managed' by MVC - ownership of course by whoever they are deeded to.

 

[socaltimeshare]

Read here -https://help.hyatt.com/en/hyatt-terms/world-of-hyatt-terms.html#/IIA

You don't get points on ineligible stays, which includes "any night stayed at a Hyatt Residence Club resort pursuant to a Member’s Hyatt Residence Club ownership interest". When I stayed at Maui on the Access package prior to becoming an owner, I didn't get points for that rate as it is considered an "ineligible, discounted rate". If you book on the Hyatt website and paid the normal rate to stay at HRC Maui without using the owner discount code, though, it would be an eligible rate.

When you check-in, it is still worth providing your Hyatt # to the front desk. This is because per the link above, "When staying at a Hyatt Residence Club resort, a Member can earn points for Eligible Incidental Charges incurred at a nearby Hyatt location when charged back to the Member’s guest folio." For instance, earn points for spend at the nearby Hyatt Residence Maui charged back to my HRC room, even though I was on an ineligible Access stay rate.

 

[PerryKing]

That's one of those packages where you go there on a TS presentation, turn down the purchase, and they offer you another stay, discounted, paid monthly with no interest, and when you return, you get points and the opportunity to buy the same deal you were offered when you originally stayed.
Maybe I will find that package and look through the fine print. But I was guessing it probably doesn't count. Got out of the sales pitch pretty easily, telling them I was backed up on vacations because of Covid. I am. It does seem that Hyatt's ownership is better than Westin's, which is what I own, but Westin TS stays count towards Bonvoy elite status.

Thanks. If your actual interested in the HRC you need to find a Deeded resale somewhere. There are a lot of nice properties and good resale prices out there, even at the Hyatt Main Street Station in Colorado or Puerto Rico etc. …

BUT you should only buy your first Deeded HRC week at one where you can or want to use it, and for a time that works for you. (in case you find no place within the system with availability that you want to trade into). Once you have this "Home Base " resort , then you can look for deals just to load up on points to exchange into other HRC resorts as you can at the lowest cost per point possible. . And it goes without saying that you DO NOT want to have anything to do with the Hyatt Portfolio Program, ( A Trust based Points system ) .

Bottom line is that every resort currently in the CLUB is a unique place and they are all very nice. The web site can be a pain at times, and finding availability at some of the resorts can be from easy to almost impossible at certain times. In the last 20 years of membership I have managed to stay at every HRC at least once and at others many, many times. I bought originally during pre sales at Beaver Creek, Breckenridge and Coconut Plantation )Bonita Springs FL) - even before they started construction ! Then I bought two resales at Hacienda Del Mar in Puerto Rico (one of them they paid me to buy it from them ).

I'M so glad you escaped from the sale presentation - But that does not mean you should not still consider buying into the HRC, maybe just one low cost resale) to try it out.

 

[travelhacker]

Thanks. If your actual interested in the HRC you need to find a DEED resale somewhere. There a lot of nice properties and good resale prices out there, even at the Hyatt Main Street Station in Colorado or Puerto Rico etc. … BUT you should only buy your first Deeded HRC week at one where you can or want to use it, and for a time that works for you. (in case you find no place within the system with availability that you want to trade into). Once you have this "Home Base " resort , then you can look for deals just to load up on points to exchange into other HRC resorts as you can at the lowest cost per point possible. . And it goes without saying that you DO NOT want to have anything to do with the Hyatt Portfolio Program, ( A Trust based Points system ) .

Bottom line is that every resort currently in the CLUB is a unique place and they are all very nice. The web site can be a pain at times, and finding availability at tougher resorts can be from easy to almost impossible at certain times. I have managed to stay at every HRC at least once and others Many times. I bought originally during pre sales at Beaver Creek, Breckenridge and Coconut Plantation )Bonita Springs FL) - even before they started construction ! Then I bought two resales at Hacienda Del Mar in Puerto Rico (one of them they paid me to buy it from them ).

I'M so glad you escaped from the sale presentation - But that does not mean you should not still consider buying into the HRC, maybe just one low cost resale) to try it out.

I'm curious...When were those properties built?

 

[PerryKing]

Highlands Inn is like a few other HRC locations where they 'share' with a hotel. All of the 500 series rooms are the Hyatt Hotel. (Owned by Hyatt). 100-400 series rooms are HRC which are 'managed' owned by Marriott VC.

The Hyatt Hotel rooms would give you the normal stay/points with Hyatt (World of Hyatt)

The timeshare would be Marriott but I don't believe they are giving Bonvoy points. I believe they are still giving WOH points.

OK Thanks , I was thinking as I responded that what you stated above might be possibility because of a similar situation at the "Residence's at Park Hyatt" in Beaver Creek Colorado . but I did not know that the Highlands Inn was actually set up that way. What others are you aware of. if any ? Maybe NorthStar where the club has ver few units under its control.

 

[PerryKing]

I'm curious...When were those properties built?

Which ones ? If you mean the ones I own, they are all are over 20 years old (Coconut plantation may be about 18 years or so. ) HMSS was about 2003 from my memory. and thus Hyatt Mountain Lodge Beaver Creek would have been around 1998 or so.

 

[PerryKing]

I corrected it to say 'managed' by MVC - ownership of course by whoever they are deeded to.

MVC doing Business as Hyatt Residence club etc... as far as the Hyatt side of things now are.

Highlands Inn is like a few other HRC locations where they 'share' with a hotel. All of the 500 series rooms are the Hyatt Hotel. (Owned by Hyatt). 100-400 series rooms are HRC which are 'managed' owned by Marriott VC.

The Hyatt Hotel rooms would give you the normal stay/points with Hyatt (World of Hyatt)

The timeshare would be Marriott but I don't believe they are giving Bonvoy points. I believe they are still giving WOH points.

Yes, but Marriott VC "owns" the HV Global Group. Inc. Which is the company that actually has the management contracts to operate the Hyatt Residence Club system at each resort and not Marriott VC.

Marriott owns the company ( HV GLOBAL GROUP, INC.) that is managing the Hyatt RC resorts. And HV GLOBAL GROUP. INC. has a management contract with the Homeowners Association of each Club and collects a fee of 15% or more of the budget of the clubs as its compensation. Also the Home owners associations of any of the HRC Clubs could vote to disassociate their property from the Hyatt Residence Club if they so desire. But the new "points trust " HPP system might complicate that ability - depending on how many Time Share interest Hyatt GLOBAL GROUP owns at each club. i.e. they would control the vote ). As an example, such as several Ritz Carlton Clubs have done in the past, breaking away from their association with the Ritz Carlton Clubs ( Of which Marriott probably has a interest in. Right ?

So, would not the time share section at Highlands then be "Hyatt" as far as operations go and NOT a Marriott ? YES I would say. I believe / understand that if I stayed at the Highlands Inn on a HRC reservation as an owner or even as an exchange, or even as a rental through the Hyatt hotel system, I would receive No World of Hyatt night stay status credit's, but if I spent any money for extra's I would get World of Hyatt points , and Chase Hyatt CC points also, but only for incidental purchases. Just like I do at any Hyatt residence club that has an on property restaurants etc. such as Coconut Plantation or Wild Oak Ranch etc... BUT I would receive NO credits for night stays with the Hyatt Hotel "World of Hyatt" status system. NONE at all.

FYI See Below:

"© 2021 HV Global Group, Inc. independently owns and manages the Hyatt Residence Club program and uses the Hyatt Vacation Ownership name and other Hyatt names and marks under license from an affiliate of Hyatt Hotels Corporation. The right to use the Hyatt names and marks shall cease if such license expires or is revoked or terminated. Hyatt Hotels Corporation and its affiliates make no representations, warranties, or guaranties with respect to the Hyatt Residence Club program or products. HV Global Group, Inc. is not an affiliate of Hyatt Hotels Corporation." coming directly from: the home page of the Hyatt Residence Club on-line reservation system.

 

[PerryKing]

Read here -https://help.hyatt.com/en/hyatt-terms/world-of-hyatt-terms.html#/IIA

You don't get points on ineligible stays, which includes "any night stayed at a Hyatt Residence Club resort pursuant to a Member’s Hyatt Residence Club ownership interest". When I stayed at Maui on the Access package prior to becoming an owner, I didn't get points for that rate as it is considered an "ineligible, discounted rate". If you book on the Hyatt website and paid the normal rate to stay at HRC Maui without using the owner discount code, though, it would be an eligible rate.

When you check-in, it is still worth providing your Hyatt # to the front desk. This is because per the link above, "When staying at a Hyatt Residence Club resort, a Member can earn points for Eligible Incidental Charges incurred at a nearby Hyatt location when charged back to the Member’s guest folio." For instance, earn points for spend at the nearby Hyatt Residence Maui charged back to my HRC room, even though I was on an ineligible Access stay rate.

You have it all correct, and succinctly so ! Thank You !

You can also use your Hyatt Chase CC to pay those incidental fees at the clubs and also your reservation fees and guest fees etc. on the HRC residence club on line reservation system and get W of H 4X points from Chase and additional bonus points from Word of Hyatt for spending money at Hyatt via the card (maybe as much as 5X points). That's why I went and got a Hyatt Chase Credit Card a few months ago and I should have done it 20 years ago (If it existed - but but didn't... but I should have done it a few years ago anyway, since I have been so heavily invested in Hyatt products anyway )

 

[Tucsonadventurer]

Maybe the actual hotel stay part. Meaning you purchased it through Hyatt Hotels .com I’m guessing. . But not the TS part. And probably not even the stay through the rental of the timeshare through Hyatt hotel web site or reservations.


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yes we stayed at Pinon point with hyatt hotel points and it counted. When we use our club points it does not

 

[socaltimeshare]

get W of H 4X points from Chase and additional bonus points from Word of Hyatt for spending money at Hyatt via the card (maybe as much as 5X points)

You get 5 base points per eligible spend just for providing your World of Hyatt membership at check-in (free for anyone to join). Again, HRC maintenance fees and taxes don't count but incidentals during a stay like food purchases would. This is true regardless of your tier with the Hyatt program (from base Member to Globalist). Starting with the 2nd tier (Discoverist), you get bonus points on base points earned. 10% for Discoverist, 20% for Explorist, 30% for Globalist. So basically a Discoverist would get 5.5 points per dollar, Explorist 6 points, and Globalist 6.5 points. If you get the Hyatt credit card, you are automatically a Discoverist. This and the free Category 1-4 hotel night annually is enough reason to get the Hyatt card and pay the $95 Annual Fee. Once you are a Discoverist, you can link your Hyatt Account with AA, and start earning Hyatt points with American flights (in addition to the usual AA points earned).

The next choice is how to pay the folio at checkout. If you pay with the Hyatt credit card, you get 4 Hyatt points per dollar (so this is why the card is sometimes advertised as 9 points per dollar for Hyatt spend --- it's 5 base for the Hotel stay + 4 extra for paying with the Hyatt credit card. Or you might pay with another travel card, such as the Chase Sapphire Reserve, which would net the 5 base Hyatt points + 3 Ultimate Reward points. Some might consider those 3 Ultimate Reward points more valuable and flexible than netting an additional 4 Hyatt hotel points.

If you pay with the Hyatt credit card, those 4 points will post automatically as it goes through the credit card. For the other points you may need to call World of Hyatt customer service to get them to post (after waiting at least 10 days after checkout). My understanding is that the HRC / Hyatt hotel systems are different and this is why HRC points may not post without contacting Hyatt, even if people have provided their membership number at checkin.

 

[Tucsonadventurer]

Our stays at residence clubswith hotel pts gets credit but not using our time share

 

[hcarman]

When you stay at a Marriott Vacation Club on an owners week or using Destination Club points you get Bonvoy stay credit. In other words, it counts toward your total nights stayed. You also receive bonus points at check in if you are elite. And Bonvoy points for any incidentals. This is even though Marriott Vacation Club is a separate company from Marriott hotel chain. With Hyatt if staying for owners week or on Portfolio you get no stay credit with Hyatt for their World of Hyatt Rewards program - this was the case even before Marriott bought the residence clubs. You are supposed to get World of Hyatt points for incidentals charged to room yet we almost never get points despite having our number on the reservation - takes a whole lot of follow up. It is not a smooth program like Marriott Bonvoy has usually been. The sales office is really the only opportunity to get your World of Hyatt points during a residence club owners stay,

 

[socaltimeshare]

Our stays at residence clubswith hotel pts gets credit but not using our time share

Have you ever tried calling World of Hyatt to request missing points? Even on a HRPP or CUP stay, you are still eligible to earn points on incidentals....

You are supposed to get World of Hyatt points for incidentals charged to room yet we almost never get points despite having our number on the reservation - takes a whole lot of follow up

This. Yes, it won't post automatically due to differences in the Hyatt and HRC computer systems. You do need to call World of Hyatt (and wait at least 10 days after checkout before making the call).