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Disney Resorts

I understand the points made by some people that it's already paid by the member who relinquished the week, BUT, is it really??

Has anyone thought, just perhaps, that Member's annual fees only cover the average amount of transportation and resort facilities used by the Member in a year?

In other words, EVERYONE pays the fee.
Members pay it through annual fees, and guests pay it in cash.
 
That's a stretch even for you, Carl. If I had done a direct exchange with the Member, I would not pay. If I were a guest or rental client of a Member, likewise.

As I say, I don't mind paying the fee, because my effective cost per point is still well under what owners pay only in MFs, let alone lost opportunity. But, it's clearly nothing more than the Rat double dipping.
 
I object to paying for what owners have already paid for. Owners pay that fee as part of the ownership in dues and MFs for the resort. So I don't buy your arguement either.

I don't mind as much when resorts charge for things that everyone pays for, but that they give owners a little discount. At least it is extra for everyone.

Hilton (and I think Marriott & *wood too), does not charge a fee to exchangers and all of those have membership dues in additional to MFs.
 
Sandy Lovell said:
I object to paying for what owners have already paid for. Owners pay that fee as part of the ownership in dues and MFs for the resort. So I don't buy your arguement either.
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With all due respect, you don't know that for absolute certain unless you have a detailed copy of the DVC budget.

Again, I do agree it's improbable.

Nobody should really gripe about the fee since it's not mandatory that anyone stay at a DVC Resort.
Don't like the fee... stay elsewhere.
 
Carl D said:
With all due respect, you don't know that for absolute certain unless you have a detailed copy of the DVC budget.

Again, I do agree it's improbable.

Nobody should really gripe about the fee since it's not mandatory that anyone stay at a DVC Resort.
Don't like the fee... stay elsewhere.
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Carl, I agree. If you don't want to pay the fee, then don't go and don't pay.

Then Carl and I can have more time on property.
 
I dont think anyone should ever exchange for DVC because of that fee. Everyone cancel your DVC requests.
My phone lines are down for a long time so unfortunately I cant cancel MY requests. ;) :)
 
Carl D said:
With all due respect, you don't know that for absolute certain unless you have a detailed copy of the DVC budget.
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It would be poor management to assume the fee would be collected and cover some of the budget. Then, if trades in decreased, if there were an increase in no-shows of exchangers or if members trade out less often in a given year, the budget would be affected.

BTW, I suspect that Disney (management) receives the actual fee money, not the DVC resort budget. My reason for saying this: DVC selects the resort which will be used for exchange by their member; it's not necessarily the member's home resort. Then the Resort Fee is paid at check-in at the exchanger's resort (usually OKW or SSR).

If this Fee were being applied to the larger resorts' budgets, would that really be fair to the members from the smaller home resorts? All members pay into their home resort budgets. Why should the larger home resorts have their budgets supplemented by this Fee (collected in the thousands) but rarely the smaller resorts? This does not benefit the members proportionately due to the way that DVC assigns II deposits.

If the Fee goes through all the logistics to be assigned to the budget of the actual home resort of the member who traded out, why??? That resort does not necessarily accommodate the exchanger (wear and tear, transportation, etc.) so why would Disney go through this added bookkeeping to transfer the Resort Fees to this destination?

So my guess is that Disney does neither, but rather they pocket this pure profit - it never benefits the DVC members by reducing their home resort budgets at all. Again, my guess. And, yet another small reason that Disney seems to prefer to develop and manage DVC resorts more than they build and add new cash resort hotels.
 
let's just agree to disagree

Those with mouse colored glasses are never going
to find any fault with Disney

The rest of us are just not drinking the koolaid
 
I don't think that is true! Disney makes a lot of mistakes and has just made a huge one concerning AKV concierge reservations. But, if I want to exchange into DVC, I am willing to accept the fee. If you aren't, don't. It isn't any different than some of the other fees for things like parking or water park usage as an exchanger at a miriad of other resorts. But because it is Disney, some seem to enjoy making a bigger deal out of it. Take it or leave it, I say.
 
Sandy Lovell said:
let's just agree to disagree

Those with mouse colored glasses are never going
to find any fault with Disney

The rest of us are just not drinking the koolaid
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I don't think that's a fair statement.

-- I did say it's improbable.
-- I find plenty of fault with Disney.
 
Lisa P said:
It would be poor management to assume the fee would be collected and cover some of the budget. Then, if trades in decreased, if there were an increase in no-shows of exchangers or if members trade out less often in a given year, the budget would be affected.
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I'm not sure about that...

There is a line item in the income section of the budget for "late fees".
They do assume some members will make late payments, and they factor the fee as income. Same with breakage.

Not exactly the same thing, but it's the exact same principle.
 
I did say it's improbable.
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Is it more or less probable than the Magic Kingdom being obliterated by a meteor later today? After all, that's possible but improbable too.

Someone who has studied the financials ("Dean" on disboards, or maybe DVC Mike, I forget) believes that the inbound fee is used to offset the costs of running the Buena Vista Trading Corp, plus offsetting costs in the II relationship.
 
bnoble said:
Someone who has studied the financials ("Dean" on disboards, or maybe DVC Mike, I forget) believes that the inbound fee is used to offset the costs of running the Buena Vista Trading Corp, plus offsetting costs in the II relationship.
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I wouldn't know where to find such information without access to a detailed copy of the budget.
Of course the Member's get a rudimentary copy, but I can't really tell from that.
 
I have traded to Disney via II, as I do not own there. I might again in the future. So I guess I pay the fee.

I just find it is a double standard.

If you are a MEMBER and book direct = NO $95 Extra FEE
If you rent from a MEMBER, even if you are NOT a member = NO Extra FEE
If you exchange via II, DVC MEMBER to NOT = PAY $95 FEE

I just find Disney Member's (can't call you owners since you don't really own anything) are in LOVE with Disney and will make many many excuses for Disney. If it were any other timeshare system, people whould not be so zealous to defend it. As I said, Disney likes people to drink the kool-aid, and plenty do. It is the Disney Magic, the Disney Experience, whatever. It certainly has a spell over a lot of people.

This is just MY opinion, no one else's opinion, you do not have to agree with MY opinion. It is just MY opinion. I am allowed to state it.

So go ahead and jump all over me again....
 
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DVC members definitely get charged the $95.00 fee for II trades into the WDW DVC resorts. I've had to pay it for every exchange into WDW DVC I've ever done (and I am a DVC member).

There is no $95.00 fee for II trades into Disney's Vero or Hilton Head resorts, though.

I figured the fee was to pay for Member Services personnel for setting up the priority dining reservations and Magical Express to and from the airport for the onsite DVC II trades. But I don't know that for sure??
 
MS doesn't do anything for the inbound that they would not have done for the Member. The one tangible thing it does buy you is the right to speak with MS directly---normally, only Members can. Even guests or renters must have the booking Member call on their behalf.
 
The only reality is that Disney can charge the fee and get away with it is because people have this little desire to be on Disney property and are willing to pay it. At the end of the day, after all the songs and dances, it is a little extra profit for Disney. There was a tag somebody had on the Disboards a few years back something like: Me and Disney, the battle for my wallet. Disney is a business and it tries everything to gain more income. The $95 fee is just another example.
 
Sandy Lovell said:
I have traded to Disney via II, as I do not own there. I might again in the future. So I guess I pay the fee.

I just find it is a double standard.

If you are a MEMBER and book direct = NO $95 Extra FEE
If you rent from a MEMBER, even if you are NOT a member = NO Extra FEE
If you exchange via II, DVC MEMBER to NOT = PAY $95 FEE

I just find Disney Member's (can't call you owners since you don't really own anything) are in LOVE with Disney and will make many many excuses for Disney. If it were any other timeshare system, people whould not be so zealous to defend it. As I said, Disney likes people to drink the kool-aid, and plenty do. It is the Disney Magic, the Disney Experience, whatever. It certainly has a spell over a lot of people.

This is just MY opinion, no one else's opinion, you do not have to agree with MY opinion. It is just MY opinion. I am allowed to state it.

So go ahead and jump all over me again....
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Hmm... I don't recall anyone jumping all over you. Would you be so kind as show me where that happened?
Or, perhaps you are allowed to state your opinion, but others are not allowed to state theirs?

BTW- I am very happy that I don't own DVC in perpetuity. I like it much better this way, as I will never have to worry about saddling my heirs with an aging timeshare.
 
Carl D said:
BTW- I am very happy that I don't own DVC in perpetuity. I like it much better this way, as I will never have to worry about saddling my heirs with an aging timeshare.
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Carl:

I agree with you. I'm also glad that my membership will end in 2042, when I'll be in my 90's. I'm sure Disney will keep it in great shape until then.

This topic has been rehashed to death.

I'm a DVC member, and I'm happy to pay the $95.00 fee when I exchange in, which is at least once/year. We usually rent out our points, and only use them when we want to book a grand villa.

Bottom line is, as others have said, if you don't want to pay the fee, don't exchange into DVC. It's as simple as that.

To me, even with this fee, it's a great exchange.
 
Disney is not the only resort that has fees in addition to the II exchange fee.Some TS's charge more than $95 for parking for exchangers. Caymen islands has a $10 a day tax. Exchangers at TS that have certain activities will have to pay where it's free for owners. These places are a take it or leave it deal.
 
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littlestar said:
I figured the fee was to pay for Member Services personnel for setting up the priority dining reservations and Magical Express to and from the airport for the onsite DVC II trades. But I don't know that for sure??
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Anyone can call Disney directly to set up dining arrangements. Magical Express is provided to anyone staying on property. Whatever the Fee covers, it was paid through the maint fees previously paid by the member who traded their DVC points out, through II.

I pay it when I really want to stay onsite. And I will again. Doesn't mean I agree with it - it's just the way it is. :rolleyes: Leaves a little bit of sour in the mouth about Disney though. The fact that they pretend to justify it as a Resort Fee for services when these services are all prepaid for, through Members' MFs, just reinforces an opinion of them as a money-grubbing, hyper-commercial business... and a bit sneaky or dishonest about it too. But as I said, it is what it is.
 
Lisa P said:
Anyone can call Disney directly to set up dining arrangements. Magical Express is provided to anyone staying on property. Whatever the Fee covers, it was paid through the maint fees previously paid by the member who traded their DVC points out, through II.

I pay it when I really want to stay onsite. And I will again. Doesn't mean I agree with it - it's just the way it is. :rolleyes: Leaves a little bit of sour in the mouth about Disney though. The fact that they pretend to justify it as a Resort Fee for services when these services are all prepaid for, through Members' MFs, just reinforces an opinion of them as a money-grubbing, hyper-commercial business... and a bit sneaky or dishonest about it too. But as I said, it is what it is.
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Hi Lisa,

I'm surprised they don't charge for the offsite resorts, too - Vero and Hilton Head. I just figured it had to have something to do with being onsite at WDW vs. off since they don't charge that $95 fee for those other two Disney resorts.
 
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