Disney parks and resorts closed until further notice

[Cyberc]

In this past year, I used my Wyndham points to stay at SSR and also spent time at Wyndham's Daytona Ocean Walk. My 5 year old liked Ocean Walk more than SSR. There is a water park across the street that is a 5 min walk from your room and has go karts, an arcade and minigolf. The $125 season pass covers the entire trip. There is a movie theater on property with a few restaurants. Movies are 1/2 priced on Tuesdays. There is also a really good taffy shop on the boardwalk (Zenos) as well as a Coldstone. The pier has a Joe's Crab Shack on it and offers 360 degree ocean views from inside the restaurant. On site, there is a lazy river, childrens water feature and water slide. A dunkin donuts is also a 5 min walk. If you have older kids, there's a HUGE sligshot. My daughter loved watching people get catapaulted (on the slingshot) from our balcony at night. Most of the rooms are either ocean view or ocean front and the towers go up to 25 floors to give you awesome views.

This vacation I am describing only cost me $60 a night for the 5 nights I was there in a 1 bedroom deluxe using my Wyndham membership. Depositing into RCI may not be the best way to spend points, but on the bright side it gives you the ability to try out other systems and see if buying into them is right for you (resale of course). Wyndham, even though their sales practices are cut throat, extended the point deposit date and allowed everyone (even resale) to bank them for FREE. They also gave us back our reservation transactions. They've also never restricted where resale points can stay within their club. We just don't get developer benefits. The same can be said with Hilton. To me Disney is greedier than Wyndham/Hilton and it has left a sour taste.

Just for information DVC owners which end up depositing their points to RCI can’t book anything in Orlando not even 30 miles around the Orlando area.

 

[cbyrne1174]

Just for information DVC owners which end up depositing their points to RCI can’t book anything in Orlando not even 30 miles around the Orlando area.

Daytona is 75 miles from Orlando o.0

 

[frank808]

Just for information DVC owners which end up depositing their points to RCI can’t book anything in Orlando not even 30 miles around the Orlando area.

I have not deposited points to RCI for trades so do not have first hand experience if DVC has the location restrictions. But I have used my HGVC points to book Orlando even though HGVC has locations close by.

I though most mini point systems like HGVC, Wyndham, Worldmark etc do not have Orlando restrictions?

Have you tried with DVC points and there is a restriction. Figure RCI does not know if points came from HH, VB or VGC (even though there has been no recent sighting of trades there)so there would not be Orlando restriction.

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[bnoble]

At one point, the DVC portal restricted the set of resorts that could be seen in RCI, similar in spirit to II's quality filter, to remove properties at the lower end of the range. I *think* that's been changed, but it is possible that Orlando-area properties still don't appear in the DVC portal. I don't own there so can't check first-hand.

 

[Dean]

I have not deposited points to RCI for trades so do not have first hand experience if DVC has the location restrictions. But I have used my HGVC points to book Orlando even though HGVC has locations close by.

I though most mini point systems like HGVC, Wyndham, Worldmark etc do not have Orlando restrictions?

Have you tried with DVC points and there is a restriction. Figure RCI does not know if points came from HH, VB or VGC (even though there has been no recent sighting of trades there)so there would not be Orlando restriction.

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DVC has a 30 mile restriction in RCI thus owners at resorts within a 30 mile radius can't trade to DVC. That's true for other locations besides Orlando as well . Historically they haven't blocked the points mini systems other than RCI points if the points were tied to a restricted resort. BTW it was 45 miles in II though for Orlando there are no resorts that would fall in the 15 mile radius I don't believe. I can't speak to where there have been changes based on the current weirdness but looking online it's still in effect judging by the DVC RCI conduit.

 

[TravelTime]

43,000 more Walt Disney World workers will be furloughed April 19

43,000 more Walt Disney World workers will be furloughed April 19

About 43,000 unionized Disney World workers will be furloughed starting April 19, the largest wave of employees in Central Florida to be sent home without pay because of the coronavirus crisis. The…

www.orlandosentinel.com

 

[elaine]

DVC has a 30 mile restriction in RCI thus owners at resorts within a 30 mile radius can't trade to DVC.
Is this new? I traded into DVC HHI with a RCI weeks HHI unit in the past. It was even for the exact same week.

 

[Dean]

DVC has a 30 mile restriction in RCI thus owners at resorts within a 30 mile radius can't trade to DVC.
Is this new? I traded into DVC HHI with a RCI weeks HHI unit in the past. It was even for the exact same week.

I don't think I was clear. There are 2 components to the restriction, inbound and outbound and they've eased up on the non Orlando locations the last few years. But here's the kicker, historically there have been matches made that were later canceled under these provisions.

 

[elaine]

Good to know. Thanks. Glad our trade wasn’t Canx. It was a great place.

 

[frank808]

DVC has a 30 mile restriction in RCI thus owners at resorts within a 30 mile radius can't trade to DVC. That's true for other locations besides Orlando as well . Historically they haven't blocked the points mini systems other than RCI points if the points were tied to a restricted resort. BTW it was 45 miles in II though for Orlando there are no resorts that would fall in the 15 mile radius I don't believe. I can't speak to where there have been changes based on the current weirdness but looking online it's still in effect judging by the DVC RCI conduit.

I know through RCI you can not trade a resort located 30 miles of WDW into DVC. Is it possible to use DVC points to trade into Orlando resorts within 30 miles of WDW? A previous poster said that there was a block for DVC points deposited in RCI to trade for locations near Orlando.

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[Inhislove]

The second wave of furloughed Disney workers were union members. Negotiations have been taking place since the first furloughs were announced. Disney is no longer accepting any reservations for dining or resorts until after June 1, so I find it interesting that May DVC trades are still available in RCI. Does anyone think they could possibly be open?

 

[bnoble]

I don’t.

 

[TheHolleys87]

This is the best analysis I’ve read about DVC’s COVID-19 problem. As DVC says, they can’t determine what to do until the resorts reopen and they know how big the losses are.

Disney Vacation Club's COVID-19 Dilemma | DVCNews.com - The essential Disney Vacation Club resource!

To date, the fifteen Disney Vacation Club resorts have already lost more than 4 million points worth of villa availability to COVID-19 with no immediate end in sight. Your beloved 2005 Honda Civic

dvcnews.com

 

[Maple_Leaf]

He's baaaack. Bob Iger thought he was retiring, now he's back in charge fighting for Disney's life.

Bob Iger Thought He Was Leaving on Top. Now, He’s Fighting for Disney’s Life. (Published 2020)

The former C.E.O. thought he was riding into the sunset. Now he’s reasserting control and reimagining Disney as a company with fewer employees and more thermometers.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Cyberc]

I have not deposited points to RCI for trades so do not have first hand experience if DVC has the location restrictions. But I have used my HGVC points to book Orlando even though HGVC has locations close by.

I though most mini point systems like HGVC, Wyndham, Worldmark etc do not have Orlando restrictions?

Have you tried with DVC points and there is a restriction. Figure RCI does not know if points came from HH, VB or VGC (even though there has been no recent sighting of trades there)so there would not be Orlando restriction.

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Yes there is a restriction. If you open the RCI portal through the DVC member page you will see that Orlando is not among the locations you can choose.

Mini systems like HGVC is not blocked in RCI as HGVC members uses a corporate account to sign into RCI. It’s not possible to identify where points are coming from just a pool of points.

 

[Cyberc]

With all of the extra points which currently are in the system. That be points with a August or later UY which have cancelled and banked(if possible) The points was originally locked into a vacation in March, April, May and maybe June.

Some points are also lost due to people using their points for a vacation very late in their UY.

All of those extra points DVC need to do something about as there are not enough rooms to meet the demand going forward. One way DVC could “fix” this problem would be either suspend banking and/or borrowing. Another and maybe not so often thought of solution could be to increase the point cost when owners to an internal trade. Internal trade is when an owner with ie. SSR points book BWV. Normal the trade is 1:1 point wise. Going forward all non home resort bookings could be increased 30% so a room at BWV which in September normally costs 10 points would now cost 13 points but only for non owners at BWV.

That would help eliminate or eat some of the extra points in the system going forward.

 

[elaine]

I don’t think that dvc can charge extra for non-home resorts.

 

[bnoble]

Some folks who’ve carefully read the multi-site POS think they can.

 

[elaine]

I don't think they would do that. IMHO That would cause an uproar amongst far more owner than the ones losing points. But who knows.

 

[bnoble]

Someone is going to lose the use of points—not just here but in any points-based timeshare. The closures are too widespread for too long at resorts that are normally more than 90% full. He only questions are who and how.

 

[Cyberc]

I don't think they would do that. IMHO That would cause an uproar amongst far more owner than the ones losing points. But who knows.

You could argue that then all owners will “pay” for the current situation.

 

[elaine]

I'd be fine with that. Everyone sharing equally. It's very unfair to owners who had reservations who missed baking deadlines to not be able to bank late--that should not upset the balance--they could have banked those points. That's different from allowing an extra year of banking--which many owners need (possibly me included), who will lose points because parks are closed during their reservations using already banked points.

 

[dioxide45]

I suspect after reopening and perhaps through the next year that occupancy at non DVC resorts will be less than 100%. Perhaps considerably less. Didn't they close certain resorts after 911? They could assign points to these resorts for the different room types. Mostly just hotel rooms. They could then allow DVC owners to book at non DVC properties in to this inventory that would otherwise go unsold as cash reservations. It isn't like they would be renting these units out for cash anyway. Though there is a cost associated with running these resorts for "non paying" guests. Though I would think Disney would just be happy to get people back?

 

[Cyberc]

I suspect after reopening and perhaps through the next year that occupancy at non DVC resorts will be less than 100%. Perhaps considerably less. Didn't they close certain resorts after 911? They could assign points to these resorts for the different room types. Mostly just hotel rooms. They could then allow DVC owners to book at non DVC properties in to this inventory that would otherwise go unsold as cash reservations. It isn't like they would be renting these units out for cash anyway. Though there is a cost associated with running these resorts for "non paying" guests. Though I would think Disney would just be happy to get people back?

That would assume that DVC and DISNEY could come to an agreement as the two don’t have control over each other. DVC would need to pay to book rooms at regular resort hotels. Who should cover that cost?

 

[Fredflintstone]

I suspect after reopening and perhaps through the next year that occupancy at non DVC resorts will be less than 100%. Perhaps considerably less. Didn't they close certain resorts after 911? They could assign points to these resorts for the different room types. Mostly just hotel rooms. They could then allow DVC owners to book at non DVC properties in to this inventory that would otherwise go unsold as cash reservations. It isn't like they would be renting these units out for cash anyway. Though there is a cost associated with running these resorts for "non paying" guests. Though I would think Disney would just be happy to get people back?

Getting people back IMO will be challenging over the short run. People will now be afraid to be in packed venues for awhile. They may need to hand out free masks, hand sanitizer just to alleviate the fear. That said, a vaccine would change the entire ball game. Let’s hope a vaccine comes soon because that would stop the fear and have places like Disney go back to normal ASAP.


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