Definitive (I believe) answers to some important points program questions

[aka Julie]

Lawlar:
I'm not a lawyer, but I've heard this "multiple weeks" at 13 month discussion many times before. My understanding (and I've actually done this, and at MOC) is "multiple weeks owners" include people who own more than one week at ANY Marriott, not just MOC. I can tell you from personal experience that I can book a MOC week 13 months out by combining it back-to-back with my KoOlina week. So the pool of owners reserving at 13 months out has always been more than just multiple-week MOC owners.

You're right -- I've booked at 13 months out using a silver Barony Beach and a Platinum ShadowRidge as two concurrent weeks.

 

[Lawlar]

Why Am I Not Surprised?

Lawlar:
I'm not a lawyer, but I've heard this "multiple weeks" at 13 month discussion many times before. My understanding (and I've actually done this, and at MOC) is "multiple weeks owners" include people who own more than one week at ANY Marriott, not just MOC. I can tell you from personal experience that I can book a MOC week 13 months out by combining it back-to-back with my KoOlina week. So the pool of owners reserving at 13 months out has always been more than just multiple-week MOC owners.

I asked this question of the sales staff many times and they assured me that only MOC owners could use the 13 month reservation rights at MOC Lahaina Tower (and that is certainly the impression the Disclosure Statement gives).

Why am I not surprised that the system operates however Marriott says it will operate?

The biggest joke in the Disclosure Statement is the first line in paragraph 2 describing the Plan Manager: "Owners of Ownership Interests will manage the Program through an association of owners." Yeah, like that is really the way it works.

 

[Dean]

Dave M: I have a question (or to anyone else to can figure this out).

I looked at the Disclosure Statement for MOC that Marriott gave me when I bought my deeded unit. It describes how the program participants will be able to reserve weeks. Multiple unit owners (and only MOC multiweek owners) will have 13 month priority; but limited to no more than 50% of the deeded interests; and the rest of the deed owners get 12 month priority.

It doesn't provide for premium point owners, or anyone else, getting 13 month priority.

The loyal customers of Marriott who purchased deeds had a reasonable expectation that only MOC owners who purchased multiple weeks could get priority for the best dates. One could reasonable assume that less than 50% of the units would actually be owned by multiple week owners; probably a lot less than 50%.

Is Marriott going to claim that all of the deeds it puts in its trust create multiweek ownership? That seems rather far fetched. I thought the Lahaina Towers were sold out? Where is Marriott getting these deeded interests?

Is Marriott going to give its premium points members 13 month priority only when MOC multiple unit owners turn in their weeks; or will Marriott treat all available weeks as subject to the 13 month availability for its premium points members? If so, how can they change the rules by giving outsiders prioity that was reserved to deed owners?

I have a bad feeling that our expectations; based on Marriott's representations and the Disclosure Statement they provided us are now being altered without our consent (based on some fine print exception in some unknown document that Marriott isn't explaining to us).

If anyone knows how Marriott is explaining how it can legally alter our priority system; described in the Disclosure Statement; I would love to hear their reasoning.

I think if you read the paperwork in it's entirety you'll see that Marriott reserves the right to unilaterally change the reservation system without input, the 13 month options and the new system would fall under those those issues. I know all the ones I've seen for any floating reservation system (Marriott, DVC, etc) reserve this option.

 

[pspercy]

In the published MVCI Points Charts for all resorts the resort names have an 'E' or 'T' or both against them

Seem to remember that means "Exchange" and/or "Trust" resorts but what does that mean ? Does the "T" mean there's unsold inventory now in the points system ?

 

[camachinist]

Last I read there are 11 'T' resorts where the trust has its points inventories.

My resort, Newport Coast, has a huge amount of points and is in the 'T' category from all the unsold inventory converted on or after June 20.

 

[camachinist]

OK, another 'question' worth passing on, since we're getting multiple conflicting answers from Marriott employees. It's related to the post I made in this thread at #171.

Here's the thread:

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126203

 

[Dave M]

I have posted in that thread, Pat. I'll be working on trying to get some info.

 

[camachinist]

Thanks. Greatly appreciated. At this point, I'd kill for clarity. We've still got 11 days or so until it goes live. Plenty of time to figure it out.