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Converting 50,000 SPG Points into 12 Roundtrip Tix on Southwest Airlines

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Hi Gang,

I don’t know about you, but we’ve been accumulating SPG points faster than we can get rid of ‘em, and that long awaited European vacation, where using SPG points for hotel rooms actually makes financial sense, seems to keep being pushed back further and further.

Fortunately, the good folks at flyertalk.com have figured out how to get 12 roundtrip tickets on Southwest Airlines for only 50,000 SPG (Starwood hotel) points. Here’s how it’s done:

Step 1: Before the end of 2007, convert 25,000 SPG points into 25,000 Amtrak Guest Rewards.

Step 2: Then, convert those 25,000 Amtrak Guest Rewards into 125,000 Choice Hotel Points (Choice Privileges). (Note: Amtrak limits regular members to transferring 25,000 points a year (Amtrak “select” members can transfer up to 50,000 points a year)).

Step 3: Then, convert those 125,000 Choice Hotel Points into 50 Southwest Airlines Rapid Reward Points. A roundtrip flight costs 16 RR points, so this transaction will give you 3 roundtrips on Southwest.

Step 4: Wait until January 2008 if you are not an Amtrak “Select” member. (Don’t wait until then if you are an Amtrak “select” member).

Step 5: Repeat Steps 1-3 in January 2008. This will place another 50 Rapid Reward points into your Southwest airlines account and give you another 3 roundtrip flights on Southwest.

BONUS: But as soon as your Southwest rapid reward account reaches 100 points within a 12 month period, you earn a Companion Pass. This allows you to designate anyone to fly free with you for a year, even if you fly using one of your Rapid Reward flights. Accordingly, those 6 free roundtrips essentially turn into 12 roundtrips.

For comparison purposes, you would have to spend $120,000 on your Southwest Airlines’ Rapid Rewards Visa to earn 100 Rapid Rewards points. Even if you earned all of your SPG points using a Starwood AM EX, you would only need to spend $50,000 to reach the same result. OF course, most of us are swimming in SPG points these days anyway.

The speculation at FlyerTalk is that one of these exchanging venues will soon change the conversion rates to make this deal much less desirable. But, if you are willing to role the dice, and have SPG points to burn, you may be pleasantly surprised.

-nodge
 
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Sounds pretty convoluted - what are the risks?
We are up to about 300K SPs.
 
Sounds pretty convoluted - what are the risks?

The main risk is that you could be stuck with Amtrak points or Choice hotel points if either of those entities elects to arbitrarily cancel or change the conversion terms.

Before I posted this plan, I did steps 1-3. It took 8 days total (5 days for SPG to Amtrak to post, 2 days for Amtrak to Choice to post, and 1 day for Choice to Southwest to post). It works, but it is indeed a convoluted path to the end result.

-nodge
 
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Nodge

How long are the rewards for? I know the normal rewards are for one year, so does that mean you need to book by one year or travel by one year?

Tom
 
you have one year from the date the award is issued to fly.

Grrrrr...I'll have to wait until the end of the year to try it. We already have SW rewards to use in the spring for two trips, we are flying on Continental in June for Harborside, and US Air in the fall for Hawaii. That just leaves NYE trip next December.
 
Nodge

How long are the rewards for? I know the normal rewards are for one year, so does that mean you need to book by one year or travel by one year?

Tom

Southwest reward tickets are good for a year from the date of issuance. Travel must be COMPLETED by the one year deadline.

Shhhhhhh, Southwest doesn’t promote this, but you can extend that one year deadline indefinitely by paying Southwest $50 for a year extension.

You can also use 2 Southwest Rapid Rewards to book 1 flight to Hawaii on ATA. The Companion Pass only works on Southwest though.

Here are few other benefits associated with this deal:

Southwest’s “Companion Pass” is the highest frequent flyer reward it offers. So at airports that have special security lines for “elite” members of airline frequent flyer programs (like we do here in Portland), you and your family can avoid long security lines just by flashing your companion pass.

For each Rapid Reward that you earn, you also are given 4 free drink coupons.

Anyone can fly using your RR Awards, so long as you book it for them. Accordingly, we will likely donate 4 awards to our kids' school auction along with an II Exchange. Our out of pocket costs are minimal, and the school earns some serious cash.

Companion Pass bookings are not subject to black-out dates or seat restrictions. If Southwest has a seat, your companion gets it. So even if you end up paying for one full fare ticket (like a last minute flight home for a family emergency) because the award seats are sold out, your companion still flies for free (subject to a max $10 security fee).

With this many free tickets to burn, you could also actually take advantage of one or two last minute deals promoted here on TUG. Why not fly to Scottsdale for the weekend this winter? With free flights and cheap accommodations, you’d probably spend just as much staying home.

We really like Southwest airlines. For example, upon us landing at Ontario, California recently the Southwest flight attendant got on the PA and announced “Welcome to Honolulu, Hawaii,” and then cautioned us when opening the overhead bins because “Shift Happens.” I digress, but my all time favorite "Southwestism" is when the flight attendent asks over the PA for anyone that is too hot to raise their hand. She then tells these folks to use their raised hand to reach up and open the air vent above them and they'll cool down. Classic.

I flew Northwest last week, after having flown Southwest almost exclusively for the past year, and it’s like night and day-- humorless and grumpy flight attendants, bad service, the works.

Having earned a companion pass the old fashioned way, this Flyertalk SPG to Southwest method is one of the best redemption deals going, especially if you’ve got SPG points to burn.

-nodge
 
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Southwest reward tickets are good for a year from the date of issuance. Travel may be booked for dates more than a year from issuance, but those reservations must be booked within the one year deadline.

So I can get the rewards by next week. Book travel next October 2008, for travel in December 2008. That would be 13.5 months from time of reward.

Shhhhhhh, Southwest doesn’t promote this, but you can extend that one year deadline indefinitely by paying Southwest $50 for each year of extension.

Is this $50 fee per reward or for all of the rewards?
 
Oops, I was wrong. I just called SWA and all TRAVEL must be completed by the one year deadline.

I was right about the $50 extension though. It is $50 per award, but you can wait up to 24 months after expiration to revive it. Click here for more info on this extension/revival deal. (By my calculations, you can delay using an award for up to 4 years (1 year orginal term, 2 years afterward, plus 1 year upon timely submitted revival) for $50/award.)

-nodge
 
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Thanks for this great tip. I called member services at Starwood, and they actually gave me an additional 5000 Starpoints for transferring over 20,000 Starpoints to Amtrak (just like for with airline miles). I don't know if that is in error, but I'll take it. So, today I just confirmed that I received 30,000 points (25,000 I redeemed, plus 5000 bonus) into my Amtrak account, and I just ordered my Choice Privileges points. I wonder how long it will take to get it to me. Amtrak is suppose to mail these redemption points to me.
 
Thanks for this great tip. I called member services at Starwood, and they actually gave me an additional 5000 Starpoints for transferring over 20,000 Starpoints to Amtrak (just like for with airline miles). I don't know if that is in error, but I'll take it. So, today I just confirmed that I received 30,000 points (25,000 I redeemed, plus 5000 bonus) into my Amtrak account, and I just ordered my Choice Privileges points. I wonder how long it will take to get it to me. Amtrak is suppose to mail these redemption points to me.

Congrats wingkng!

At the time I transferred points from SPG to Amtrak, I was told that I would get a 5000 point bonus, but when the points actually showed up, the bonus was missing. I called SPG, and they told me there was no bonus when converting to Amtrak. The Bonus appears to depend on who you get at SPG.

As for the Amtrak to Choice conversion, it will all happen online. Nothing will be mailed to you (even though the Amtrak notice says it will). It took about 2 business days for me. Just keep checking your Choice account.

-nodge

PS. Earlier today Southwest announced these changes. The companion pass survives. It just looks like SWA is going to start charging more for guaranteed "A" tickets.
 
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I was going to hold of to try this conversion, but after seeing SWA new prices that were released today, it may be worth it even if I have to pay the extra $50 to extend the reward. Still debating the value of this deal.
 
Still debating the value of this deal.

If you can’t use 12 tix on Southwest, I agree, there is no value. If you can find a use for all 12 tickets, the math works out like this:

If each round trip ticket on SWA is worth $200:

12 tix X $200 = $2400.00
Value of each StarPoint: $2400/50,000 Starpoints = 4.8 cents

If each round trip ticket on SWA is worth $300:

12 tix X $300 = $3600
Value of each StarPoint: $3600/50,000 Starpoints = 7.2 cents

If each round trip ticket on SWA is worth $400

12 tix X $400 = $4800
Value of each StarPoint: $4800/50,000 Starpoints = 9.6 cents

If each round trip ticket is worth $500:

12 tix X $500 = $6000.00
Value of Each StarPoint: $6000.00/50,000 Starpoints = 12.00 cents


Considering the fact that Starwood sells SPG points for 3.5 cents/each (and it's considered a huge rip-off to pay that much for ‘em), under this deal SWA is essentially paying you at least 4.8 cents a piece for your StarPoints. In other words, you could pay Starwood 3.5 cents/StarPoint and then turn right around and make at least a 1.3 cent profit on each StarPoint you purchased by “selling” them to SWA.

From a pure math perspective, this is a tremendous deal (and even more so if you get an SPG agent that gives you the 5000 SPG bonus too).

This math also suggests that one of the transferring entities in this process will soon figure out that they are giving away the farm and change the conversion terms. Accordingly, the speculation on flyertalk is that folks should get in on this deal while the gettin’ is good.

-nodge

Here's another math thing:

Suppose we all weren't sitting on a ton of SPG points anyway, but had to pay retail and buy all 50,000 SPG points from Starwood. The total cost for 50,000 SPG points would be $1750. If you did this deal and converted those 50,000 SPG points into 12 roundtrip tix on SWA, the total cost per roundtrip ticket would be $145.83. If SWA ran a promotion where folks could buy a package of 12 roundtrips for $1750, do you think that package would sell? If so, even paying retail for StarPoints is a good deal. Of course, none of us paid retail for our Starpoints so this SWA deal is even better.
 
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I just had the points deposited into the Choice Privileges account this morning, and so I went ahead and converted them to SWA points. I can't believe how quick everything went through.

I then went on a hunt to see what else can be done. As it turns out, I have 20,000Continental Onepass miles I can't use, and today I received an email saying that there is a major devaluation of these miles in Feb '08. So, I figure I would just convert my Onepass miles to Amtrak points (5000 miles = 5000 points). With this, I will have enough points to do another conversion to Choice Privileges in January, so I can get another 3 free tickets on SWA.

If this happens, my wife and I will be set for the next 4 years (given that I can still revive expired award tickets as nodge suggested)

Thanks, Nodge, for the great idea.
 
We are going to start the process tomorrow, if SPG is open. After seeing the new SWA prices, we think it'll be worth the exchange.
 
What would the math be on 10,000 SPG points into Southwest credits rather than 25000? Can you convert a smaller amount?

I have 10000 Continental miles that I will probably redeem (it appears that 10000 Continental miles = 10000 SPG points) rather than SPG...If that would convert into 20 Southwest credits, that would be excellent...
 
What would the math be on 10,000 SPG points into Southwest credits rather than 25000? Can you convert a smaller amount?

I have 10000 Continental miles that I will probably redeem (it appears that 10000 Continental miles = 10000 SPG points) rather than SPG...If that would convert into 20 Southwest credits, that would be excellent...

Yes, 10,000 SPG points can be converted into 20 Southwest RR credits.

Here's the math:

Step 1: 10,000 SPG converts to 10,000 Amtrak (1 SPG to 1 Amtrak conversion ratio: 5000 SPG minimum to convert)

Step 2: 10,000 Amtrak converts to 50,000 Choice Hotel points (5000 Amtrak to 25,000 Choice Hotel conversion ratio: 5,000 Amtrak minimum to convert)

Step 3: 50,000 Choice Hotel points converts to 20 Southwest credits (5000 to 2 conversion ratio: 5000 Choice Hotel minimum to convert)

Same math for your Continental points. (10,000 Continental = 20 Southwest RR points). You can convert your Continental points directly into Amtrak (Step 1), and then do Steps 2 & 3 from there.

Good luck,
-Nodge
 
How best to earn SPG points?

Of course, most of us are swimming in SPG points these days anyway.
-nodge

I'm new to the SPG program so my account balance is 0, but I am intrigued by this process to get free airline tickets.
What is the most effective way that you earn SPG points?
When I try to search
SPG under the forums it doesnt like it so I cant seem to find much on this program. Do you travel a lot or do you use your Amex card?
Thanks in advance
 
All aboard!

I decided it was probably worth opening an Amtrak account and credit card. The card gives me 5,000 pts. Hopefully nothing disappears before I get the credit card and the points converted.:banana:
 
I'm new to the SPG program so my account balance is 0, but I am intrigued by this process to get free airline tickets.
What is the most effective way that you earn SPG points?
When I try to search
SPG under the forums it doesnt like it so I cant seem to find much on this program. Do you travel a lot or do you use your Amex card?
Thanks in advance

The SPG AMEX is a great way to go. Right now they have an offer for 10,000 points for getting the card. If you stay at any Starwood property and use the card to pay, you get points for the stay + points for using the AMEX. If you ever go to Europe, exchanging points for a stay in hotel is a great deal. Also, with some airlines, you get a 5,000 mile bonus if you transfer 20,000 points. Probably 95% of my points come from the card.
 
I'm new to the SPG program so my account balance is 0, but I am intrigued by this process to get free airline tickets.
What is the most effective way that you earn SPG points?
When I try to search
SPG under the forums it doesnt like it so I cant seem to find much on this program. Do you travel a lot or do you use your Amex card?
Thanks in advance

the best way to acquire*points is throught the *wood credit card? there is a card that will gat you 40000 starpoints within a six month period IF you can spend or do spend $15000 in a 6 month period.

but for those of you who want to skip all the conversion. go on :
www.southwest.com/freeticket. pay the $59 use the card once and the ticket is in your account. just did it for me and my spouse and we both have 2 free tickets that we are using for arizona in march. each ticket would have cost over $400. the $59 was money well spent.:cheer:
 
Is the ticket good for all 50 states or 48?

Here is a map of all Southwest Airlines cities (orange dots) and ATA cities (black triangles).

Mainland US Southwest and ATA flights "cost" one SWA Rapid Reward ticket.

Hawaii via ATA "costs" two Rapid Reward tickets.

"Companion Pass" flights can only be booked on Southwest flights.

As for signing up for credit cards to earn free tickets on Southwest, the good folks at FlyerTalk have made this game an art form. One downside of signing up for too many credit cards is that it can negatively impact your FICO (credit) score. Be careful.

-nodge
 
Okay, I got the SPG points put in the Amtrak account, but when I went to transfer the Amtrack points to Choice, the confirmation said:

25,000 Choice Privileges Points
Item # 4012
5,000 Points
To be mailed

(same thing five times)

The "to be mailed" part is making me nervous. Did it say something different when you did it?
 
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