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Considering a Resale Purchase

SunanFunGirl

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Looking for input from the experts. We are considering a purchase and have the offer from Riviera but it seems somewhat restrictive if we decide to sell in the future. If we purchase a resale at one of the MK resorts, can those points be used anywhere? Are there additional restrictions we should be aware of when purchasing from the resale market? We are Annual Passholders and live in Florida, so I'm not sure there is any 'benefit' to us buying direct from Disney.
 
We are considering a purchase and have the offer from Riviera but it seems somewhat restrictive if we decide to sell in the future.
Riviera is restrictive if you buy it resale. Resale points with Riviera as a home resort may only be used at Riviera, none of the others. The same will be true for the new Villas at Disneyland Hotel (VDH), but those just went on sale so there won't be much of a resale market for that for a bit. If you buy resale at any other resort, you can use those points at any existing DVC resort except for Riviera or VDH, and you should assume you won't be able to use any resale points you buy today at any future DVC resort (including the new construction that is part of the Polynesian Village).

If you buy points from Disney, you can use them at any existing resort and (probably) any future resort, though the latter is not guaranteed. For a Floridian, that's the main difference. For a non-Floridian, access to the 2nd-tier Annual Pass might also be valuable.
 
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Riviera is restrictive if you buy it resale. Resale points with Riviera as a home resort may only be used at Riviera, none of the others. The same will be true for the new Villas at Disneyland Hotel (VDH), but those just went on sale so there won't be much of a resale market for that for a bit. If you buy resale at any other resort, you can use those points at any existing DVC resort except for Riviera or VDH, and you should assume you won't be able to use any resale points you buy today at any future DVC resort (including the new construction that is part of the Polynesian Village).

If you buy points from Disney, you can use them at any existing resort and (probably) any future resort, though the latter is not guaranteed. For a Floridian, that's the main difference. For a non-Floridian, access to the 2nd-tier Annual Pass might also be valuable.
Thanks, this is very helpful! I didn't realize you couldn't use the points at the Riviera or any other future resorts, so appreciate the info!
 
If you like the non-riviera resorts, and don’t mind the points costs of 1 bedroom units, sleep around points at Saratoga Springs are the way to go IMO. One of the lowest dues of any of the WDW resorts, and right now I’m seeing them go for as low as $85 per point. 1 bedroom availability at the 7 month mark (when you can trade out) is pretty good for most WDW resorts at most times of the year. Studios will be hard to get at the popular resorts at the 7 month mark, although poly usually isn’t that tough.
 
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Studios will be hard to get at the popular resorts at the 7 month mark, although poly usually isn’t that tough.
Unless it is December. We own at Boardwalk and have a reservation for next December. My 7-month date to try to switch a few days to another resort is tomorrow and things look bleak. Was hoping to swap the last three nights for Animal Kingdom and looks like I will have to wait list at least one of the days - and that is if I can grab the other two nights tomorrow at 5am local time. I checked around for other options - including Poly, BLT, VGF, Boulder Ridge - no luck.

December is a popular time for DVC.
 
Unless it is December...December is a popular time for DVC.
Yup. While it is something of a low season for WDW, December is high season for DVC because of the low point costs and Christmas decorations.
 
Unless it is December. We own at Boardwalk and have a reservation for next December. My 7-month date to try to switch a few days to another resort is tomorrow and things look bleak. Was hoping to swap the last three nights for Animal Kingdom and looks like I will have to wait list at least one of the days - and that is if I can grab the other two nights tomorrow at 5am local time. I checked around for other options - including Poly, BLT, VGF, Boulder Ridge - no luck.

December is a popular time for DVC.
Even in December 1 bedrooms are not impossible to get at the 7 month mark. Right now I see availability for 1 bedroom units at the 7 month mark in December at SSR, OKW, AKV, BLT (lake view), and BRV. Studios, yeah those are going to be difficult to impossible to snag at 7 months in December.
 
Looking for input from the experts. We are considering a purchase and have the offer from Riviera but it seems somewhat restrictive if we decide to sell in the future. If we purchase a resale at one of the MK resorts, can those points be used anywhere? Are there additional restrictions we should be aware of when purchasing from the resale market? We are Annual Passholders and live in Florida, so I'm not sure there is any 'benefit' to us buying direct from Disney.

Your hesitation to buy Riviera is valid, IMO. Vistana (formerly Starwood Vacation Ownership) also placed similar restrictions on all except a handful of resorts, and the restricted resorts have not really held onto much of their value over time in the resale market compared to the unrestricted ones.

Definitely not a DVC expert here... We are recent owners at DVC although have owned multiple weeks with Vistana and Marriott for 15 years, so the concept is not new to us, and neither is the resale market option. We also live in Florida but never really felt the need to stay on property as our resort interests have fluctuated between WDW and Universal over time (plenty of options with Marriott/Sheraton in the area and often great owner discount pricing for cash stays). However, our oldest child is soon graduating hs so we jumped at the opportunity to get annual passes for the coming year and it seemed like it'd be nice to mix it up with DVC stays.

Out first purchase was resale at BLT but we also subsequently purchased direct at AKV at a price that came out to $143/point. The base price for AKV is $210 but they had a promo for existing members that recently ended for $45/point discount for a 200-point purchase and you could combine that with the (still ongoing?) "Magical Beginnings" promo where they purchase your 2022 points at $22/point. It was a close call as we were very close to buying direct at VGF, which has substantially lower dues and a longer contract life, but the purchase price would have been around $175 with the promos at the time ($20 off from $217, plus $22/point cash back with the aforementioned Magical Beginnings). That said - $175/point for a direct purchase at VGF is a great price given that resale prices are north of $150/point but, in the end, we went with AKV for the lower upfront cost and also because we already own BLT and can book near stays near MK at 11 months out.

We do fully realize we still paid about 25%-30% more per point than resale, but compared to the retail-resale disparity with Marriott and Vistana point purchases (where the direct buyer loses 70%-80% up front), I really don't consider that a major loss in exchange for some of the extra benefits we may get over the years from being direct purchasers. In fact, we already just booked a stay at Riviera for this summer, something we could not do with just resale points.

Here is a thread on the disboards re the "Magical Beginnings" promo - that $22 cash back really makes some of the retail prices not too far off from comparable resale contracts when you add incentives for 150-200 point purchases, especially with VGF. And, getting back to your concern about Riviera, keep in mind that if you buy direct at a place like VGF or AKL those will still allow a subsequent buyer to use the ownership at 14 resorts, so are more likely to retain value IMO.

 
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From a long time dvc owner: as you can get FL AP, I’d buy resale (prices have dropped the past year) at a dvc you “don’t mind staying” where you can book at 11 months out and are ok if you don’t get to switch at 7 months to “legacy” (non-new) resorts. We have akv and stay there or swap and are happy with dvc ownership. Reports of $100/pp or less for Ssr and akv resale recently.
Do not buy 2042 expiring resorts or any new resorts with resale limitations like Riviera. And, in 2042, bwv, bcv, vero, hhhi, and part of okw will likely go away as swap options. Will you have dvc in 19 years? I don’t plan to. And if I do, I’ll still have a handful of other resorts from which to choose.
Realize you won’t get invited the the parties, owners lounge, DVC cruise, etc. we’ve been to moonlight magic parties and DVC cruise. While nice, as you have an annual pass, the moonlight is nothing special. We just use it as free 1/2 day at wdw. The dvc cruise was great, but I’d not spend any extra to get invited if I wasn’t already qualified with prior purchase.
If you look over on disboards.com, there are 100s of posts about resale.
 
Your hesitation to buy Riviera is valid, IMO. Vistana (formerly Starwood Vacation Ownership) also placed similar restrictions on all except a handful of resorts, and the restricted resorts have not really held onto much of their value over time in the resale market compared to the unrestricted ones.

Definitely not a DVC expert here... We are recent owners at DVC although have owned multiple weeks with Vistana and Marriott for 15 years, so the concept is not new to us, and neither is the resale market option. We also live in Florida but never really felt the need to stay on property as our resort interests have fluctuated between WDW and Universal over time (plenty of options with Marriott/Sheraton in the area and often great owner discount pricing for cash stays). However, our oldest child is soon graduating hs so we jumped at the opportunity to get annual passes for the coming year and it seemed like it'd be nice to mix it up with DVC stays.

Out first purchase was resale at BLT but we also subsequently purchased direct at AKV at a price that came out to $143/point. The base price for AKV is $210 but they had a promo for existing members that recently ended for $45/point discount for a 200-point purchase and you could combine that with the (still ongoing?) "Magical Beginnings" promo where they purchase your 2022 points at $22/point. It was a close call as we were very close to buying direct at VGF, which has substantially lower dues and a longer contract life, but the purchase price would have been around $175 with the promos at the time ($20 off from $217, plus $22/point cash back with the aforementioned Magical Beginnings). That said - $175/point for a direct purchase at VGF is a great price given that resale prices are north of $150/point but, in the end, we went with AKV for the lower upfront cost and also because we already own BLT and can book near stays near MK at 11 months out.

We do fully realize we still paid about 25%-30% more per point than resale, but compared to the retail-resale disparity with Marriott and Vistana point purchases (where the direct buyer loses 70%-80% up front), I really don't consider that a major loss in exchange for some of the extra benefits we may get over the years from being direct purchasers. In fact, we already just booked a stay at Riviera for this summer, something we could not do with just resale points.

Here is a thread on the disboards re the "Magical Beginnings" promo - that $22 cash back really makes some of the retail prices not too far off from comparable resale contracts when you add incentives for 150-200 point purchases, especially with VGF. And, getting back to your concern about Riviera, keep in mind that if you buy direct at a place like VGF or AKL those will still allow a subsequent buyer to use the ownership at 14 resorts, so are more likely to retain value IMO.

Thanks for this information, it's very helpful! I will definitely do some additional research as I wasn't aware you could still buy direct at other locations.
 
Thanks for this information, it's very helpful! I will definitely do some additional research as I wasn't aware you could still buy direct at other locations.

During your research keep in mind the average length of ownership in DVC is about 7 years…

Best pieces. of advice I got years ago was figure out where you would be comfortable staying every year for a home resort and then determine whats the best UY for your specific needs. If it’s one of the original 14 ( minimal resale restrictions ) after that figure out points per week in the room size in the timeframe you want to travel…

I knew going in we would need more than a studio or 1 bedroom…My boys were teens and still growing sharing a pull out wasn’t gonna work- For us it made sense to buy in minimum direct and the bulk resale, matching UY and contract dates. We still get all the perks but saved a small chunk worth with the resale.

Again this strategy only works now with the original 14 but it’s how I recommend to friends and family that take a trip with us and say ohh I want in - once they see the numbers, buy in direct minimum+resale add on + mf for 7 years- the oooh factor kicks in. I am a Disney nerd that raised theme park enthusiasts IMO it’s a bargain compared to onsite value hotels. Just figure out what works best for you and yours
 
Thanks for this information, it's very helpful! I will definitely do some additional research as I wasn't aware you could still buy direct at other locations.


You definitely can.

According this his article, In March (and since late 2022) they actually now sell substantially more Grand Floridian than Riviera, and also sell quite a bit of Polynesian and, overall, at quite a few resorts. Average direct deed size in March was 162 points.


This is the AKV promo I was referring to in my prior post (may have expired May 1):

 
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You definitely can.

According this his article, In March (and since late 2022) they actually now sell substantially more Grand Floridian than Riviera, and also sell quite a bit of Polynesian and, overall, at quite a few resorts. Average direct deed size in March was 162 points.


This is the AKV promo I was referring to in my prior post (may have expired May 1):

Thank you!
 
Thanks for this information, it's very helpful! I will definitely do some additional research as I wasn't aware you could still buy direct at other locations.
As you’ve read above, you can definitely buy direct at the “sold out” resorts. Just be aware that some of those direct prices are absurd - $200+ per point with no incentives to bring the cost down - because DVD wants you to buy the ones in active sales (VGF, RIV, VDH, AUL).
 
From a long time dvc owner: as you can get FL AP, I’d buy resale (prices have dropped the past year) at a dvc you “don’t mind staying” where you can book at 11 months out and are ok if you don’t get to switch at 7 months to “legacy” (non-new) resorts. We have akv and stay there or swap and are happy with dvc ownership. Reports of $100/pp or less for Ssr and akv resale recently.
Do not buy 2042 expiring resorts or any new resorts with resale limitations like Riviera. And, in 2042, bwv, bcv, vero, hhhi, and part of okw will likely go away as swap options. Will you have dvc in 19 years? I don’t plan to. And if I do, I’ll still have a handful of other resorts from which to choose.
Realize you won’t get invited the the parties, owners lounge, DVC cruise, etc. we’ve been to moonlight magic parties and DVC cruise. While nice, as you have an annual pass, the moonlight is nothing special. We just use it as free 1/2 day at wdw. The dvc cruise was great, but I’d not spend any extra to get invited if I wasn’t already qualified with prior purchase.
If you look over on disboards.com, there are 100s of posts about resale.
You should be able to get SSR for well under $100 right now. I bought it in February for $95 pp and $93 pp for a fully loaded 200 point and 100 point contract through Fidelity, and it seems to have gone lower. Reports on Disboards that people are getting it in the low 80’s (with a few outliers for even less). AKV also has breached the $100 barrier but not quite as low as SSR. That said, the dues will be your biggest cost in the long run and the dues at SSR are better than AKV.
 
yikes! that's really low. great time to buy resale.
 
You should be able to get SSR for well under $100 right now. I bought it in February for $95 pp and $93 pp for a fully loaded 200 point and 100 point contract through Fidelity, and it seems to have gone lower. Reports on Disboards that people are getting it in the low 80’s (with a few outliers for even less). AKV also has breached the $100 barrier but not quite as low as SSR. That said, the dues will be your biggest cost in the long run and the dues at SSR are better than AKV.
Is there a resale site that you recommend? Some better than others?
 
Is there a resale site that you recommend? Some better than others?


We purchased our resale through DVC Resale Market and they've been great. We have another in progress - waiting on ROFR. Also heard very good feedback about them from the DVC salesperson who sold us direct.
 
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Is there a resale site that you recommend? Some better than others?
On the buy side, it's more about which broker has the contract that you want...though like @DanCali we prefer the DVC Resale Market. They also publish information to help prospective DVC customers be informed consumers - e.g.
 
Is there a resale site that you recommend? Some better than others?
Fidelity seems to consistently have lower prices than some of the others. As a buyer I’d use them. As a seller probably not lol. Also ignore the listing price and don’t feel bad about lowballing. The brokers at fidelity have always presented my lowball offers, and two of them got accepted.
 
On the buy side, it's more about which broker has the contract that you want...though like @DanCali we prefer the DVC Resale Market. They also publish information to help prospective DVC customers be informed consumers - e.g.
DVC resale market has great reviews but their prices seem to consistently be higher than Fidelity. I would definitely use them if I was selling though.
 
DVC resale market has great reviews but their prices seem to consistently be higher than Fidelity. I would definitely use them if I was selling though.

They brokerage firm may have some input in the asking price (and some incentive for selling prices to be higher) but, ultimately, they need to present offers to sellers and it is up to sellers to accept.

When we purchased our resale contract through DVC Resale Market I prioritized 5 listings based on points available on the contract and use years, gave the broker a separate offer for each one of them (lower offer the more stripped down the contract), and asked him to start going down the list. Some sellers were firm, some countered back with minor concessions, and the 4th one on the list accepted our offer outright. Maybe they just needed the cash quickly, or maybe it was because the price we offered was still higher than their purchase price from DVC in 2011 (as opposed to other sellers who may have purchased direct in later years and at much higher prices). The use year was not my first choice, but I can live with it so in the end everyone was relatively happy.

I actually do think that last point can matter significantly due to "anchoring bias", even though it's a "sunk cost" and, theoretically, shouldn't matter at all. Using historical retail prices for a resort like AKV, a seller who paid DVC $104/point in 2007, and maybe got some extra incentives on top of that, is probably more likely to accept an offer of $105/point today than someone who paid DVC $160/point in 2016 ("we got 15+ years of cheap vacations and made a profit"). Of course you don't typically know who the seller is, and cannot look up the seller's deed, until an offer is accepted and you sign the contract, but it's something to keep in mind that not all sellers have the same reference point.
 
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