[2016 Thread] Club Wyndham "ACCESS" vs. "PLUS"

[dagger1]

Can anyone clarify the difference between Club Wyndham Access and Club Wyndham Plus? At the Wyndham TS presentation we attended last month, they were selling "Plus", not "Access". Everything on TUG or Ebay is 'Access".

 

[Sloane S]

Can anyone clarify the difference between Club Wyndham Access and Club Wyndham Plus? At the Wyndham TS presentation we attended last month, they were selling "Plus", not "Access". Everything on TUG or Ebay is 'Access".

I'd disagree - most everything listed on tug or ebay is actually Plus.

Club Wyndham Access is a pool of resorts, maintenance fees are averaged by what the trust owns. Club Wyndham are points deeded to a single resort, but usable at any in the system.

Access has Advance Reservation Priority at all resorts in the trust (up to a certain amount), while deeded only has ARP at the home (owned) resort. At 10 months out from check in, either acts exactly the same.

 

[Sloane S]

I'd disagree - most everything listed on tug or ebay is actually Plus.

Club Wyndham Access is a pool of resorts, maintenance fees are averaged by what the trust owns. Club Wyndham are points deeded to a single resort, but usable at any in the system.

Access has Advance Reservation Priority at all resorts in the trust (up to a certain amount), while deeded only has ARP at the home (owned) resort. At 10 months out from check in, either acts exactly the same.

Also, I can guarantee if you bought deeded and went to the another update, they would magically be selling Access and telling you deeded was worthless (and vice-versa).

 

[ronparise]

Club wyndham plus is the points system
Club wyndham access is part of Club Wyndham plus

read the book starting on page 367 and following for a discussion of all the pieces of Club Wyndham Plus

Club Wyndham select, (udi and converted fixed weeks)
Club Wyndham Access
Presidential Reserve
Margaritaville

 

[Cheryl20772]

It's also 2 different ways to own Wyndham points.

Plus will have your name on a deed registered with the County clerk in the County where the resort is located.

Access will have a Wyndham Trust name on the deeds and your ownership is that of a club membership that allows you to use a given number of points in the Club list of points. Aside from Advanced Reservation Priority (ARP), Access and Plus or Select points are the same.

This difference would be pertinent for things like delinquencies and foreclosures. One would expect also to see a less expensive transfer fee at settlement as well, but I don't think Wyndham allows any difference. For transfers of ownership, Access doesn't require changing a name on a registered deed.

 

[ronparise]

It's also 2 different ways to own Wyndham points.

Plus will have your name on a deed registered with the County clerk in the County where the resort is located.

Access will have a Wyndham Trust name on the deeds and your ownership is that of a club membership that allows you to use a given number of points in the Club list of points. Aside from Advanced Reservation Priority (ARP), Access and Plus or Select points are the same.

This difference would be pertinent for things like delinquencies and foreclosures. One would expect also to see a less expensive transfer fee at settlement as well, but I don't think Wyndham allows any difference. For transfers of ownership, Access doesn't require changing a name on a registered deed.

Access is actually more work for Wyndham. With a deeded ownership they don't touch it until they are presented with the newly recorded deed. Then they do what they do to get it into your account

With access Wyndham prepares the assignment agreement (analogous to a deed) and send it to both parties for signature. And then when it's returned to them gets it into the buyers account

So two steps for CWA one for access

 

[cayman01]

special assessments

The big distinction as I see it with CWA and CWP is with special assessments.
With CWA you actually are an owner of 60+ different resorts as is everybody else in CWA. What that means is if there is a special assessment for a resort the cost is spread out amongst everybody in CWA. With CWP you are an owner at one resort and any special assessment is paid by you.

So, a simple example. Bonnet Creek has a $2000 assessment for upgrades. And let's say there are 1000 CWA members, and CWA owns 10 weeks at BC.
So the total assessment to CWA would be $20,000, divided amongst 1000 members equals a cost of $20 each. Now if you owned a CWP week (or points) at BC you would pay the whole $2000.

There are other advantages and disadvantages to each system. There are no Hawaii resorts in CWA so no ARP there. There are CWA and CWP points at the same resorts. The difference in them is the amount you pay for maintenance fees. CWA is around $5.71/1000 CWP maintenance can be substantially higher OR lower depending on the resort. So if there is a particular place you want to go all the time, check what the maintenance is and buy accordingly. You like Panama City? Buy CWP. You like Sapphire Valley? Buy CWA.

 

[vacationhopeful]

The big distinction as I see

There are other advantages and disadvantages to each system. There are no Hawaii resorts in CWA so no ARP there. There are CWA and CWP points at the same resorts. The difference in them is the amount you pay for maintenance fees. CWA is around $5.71/1000 CWP maintenance can be substantially higher OR lower depending on the resort. So if there is a particular place you want to go all the time, check what the maintenance is and buy accordingly. You like Panama City? Buy CWP. You like Sapphire Valley? Buy CWA.

Really? None of the Hawaii weeks or points there are in CWA?

That might be a real breaker for people wanting to book there from the East Coast. I would NOT be happy paying for flights or sitting on a plane for all those hours ... for ONE 7 night stay.

This is a gem of a information .... are you sure?

 

[raygo123]

Club wyndham plus is the points system
Club wyndham access is part of Club Wyndham plus

read the book starting on page 367 and following for a discussion of all the pieces of Club Wyndham Plus

Club Wyndham select, (udi and converted fixed weeks)
Club Wyndham Access
Presidential Reserve
Margaritaville

Question, when I called in to make a reservation I was told that my home resort was NYC. I was under the assumption that all CWA were points only tied to the trust. With no home resort. This was a vacation planner that said this not sales, so I'm assuming it is true. But have no idea what it means, or if it has any significance.

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[dagger1]

Wow, lots of great info, thanks everybody.. We did not but, they were asking $76K for 400,000 CWP points... They came with something called a 25% bonus, which reduced the points required for a stay by 25%. In effect, they were giving you 400,000 + 100,000 bonus points = 500,000 points for $76K. We said NO and got on with our $300 AMEX gift cards and three nights on the San Antonio Riverwalk. I must say, the Wyndham La Cascada is very nice...

 

[uscav8r]

Really? None of the Hawaii weeks or points there are in CWA?

That might be a real breaker for people wanting to book there from the East Coast. I would NOT be happy paying for flights or sitting on a plane for all those hours ... for ONE 7 night stay.

This is a gem of a information .... are you sure?

True, CWA has no Hawaii inventory. It can all be booked at 10 months during the SRP. I thought Waikiki Beach Walk had some CWA but this is not currently the case.


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[markb53]

Really? None of the Hawaii weeks or points there are in CWA?

That might be a real breaker for people wanting to book there from the East Coast. I would NOT be happy paying for flights or sitting on a plane for all those hours ... for ONE 7 night stay.

This is a gem of a information .... are you sure?

It is true there is no CWA in Hawaii. Which mean you don't get ARP. You can still book at the 10 month window. And in my experience, that's no problem. I'm going to Hawaii next summer and most of my points are CWA. I also have CWP Select with a home resort at Panama City Beach. At 10 months, points are points, they all spend the same. So far I have booked 4 nights at Waikiki Beach Walk in Honolulu. And 7 nights at Wyndham Kona Hawaiian Resort, On Tuesday morning (when the 10 month window opens) I will book my last 7 nights at Wyndham Ka 'Eo Kai in Kauai. I have never had a problem booking what I want in Hawaii at 10 months.


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[markb53]

Wow, lots of great info, thanks everybody.. We did not but, they were asking $76K for 400,000 CWP points... They came with something called a 25% bonus, which reduced the points required for a stay by 25%. In effect, they were giving you 400,000 + 100,000 bonus points = 500,000 points for $76K. We said NO and got on with our $300 AMEX gift cards and three nights on the San Antonio Riverwalk. I must say, the Wyndham La Cascada is very nice...

That 25% bonus would difficult or impossible to use in prime season since you can only get the discount within 30 days of checkin with VIP silver and very few resorts have availability at 30 days in prime season. So you could go to the beach in the winter or a s ski area in the spring or fall. You could book early then inside of 30 days you could cancel and rebook. But you are taking a chance of loosing the reservation.


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[vacationhopeful]

Discounted points reservations for ALL VIP levels is at 60 days before checkin.

Unit upgrades are ONLY available by level status at 60 day (Platinum), 45 day (Gold) and 30 day (Silver).

 

[cayman01]

Discounted points reservations for ALL VIP levels is at 60 days before checkin.

Unit upgrades are ONLY available by level status at 60 day (Platinum), 45 day (Gold) and 30 day (Silver).

I believe the sales weasel "forgot" to tell the OP that what he was actually getting was VIP level Silver and that the discount was only available for reservations made in the 30 day window.

 

[OutSkiing]

On Tuesday morning (when the 10 month window opens) I will book my last 7 nights at Wyndham Ka 'Eo Kai in Kauai. I have never had a problem booking what I want in Hawaii at 10 months.
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Thats good to know .. In general we have been able to get into most resorts after the 10 mo window even though the big 7 day larger units go fast. Not all inventory is added at the 13 month mark.

How do you like Ka Eo Kai? What are the views from there? We are trying to decide about Kauai for 2018. So far Kauai Beach seems most appealing .. Of course would be lucky to get ocean front there.

Bob

 

[Ty1on]

Question, when I called in to make a reservation I was told that my home resort was NYC. I was under the assumption that all CWA were points only tied to the trust. With no home resort. This was a vacation planner that said this not sales, so I'm assuming it is true. But have no idea what it means, or if it has any significance.

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There must have been some confusion, because CWA contracts aren't tied to a single interval at all. As you mentioned, you own points in the trust.

 

[markb53]

Thats good to know .. In general we have been able to get into most resorts after the 10 mo window even though the big 7 day larger units go fast. Not all inventory is added at the 13 month mark.

How do you like Ka Eo Kai? What are the views from there? We are trying to decide about Kauai for 2018. So far Kauai Beach seems most appealing .. Of course would be lucky to get ocean front there.
Bob

I think the only way you could get a Ocean Front at Kauai Beach Villas would be rent from a fixed week owner. Most of Kauai Beach Villas are fixed weeks. I suspect all of the ocean fronts. With Wyndham UDI points I've only see Ocean View and Lagoon View. I haven't been to Ka 'Eo Kai before. Last time in Kauai I was in Bali Hai Villas, which is pretty much right next door to Ka 'Eo Kai. Princeville is very different than the Lihue area where Kauai Beach Villas is located. If you want to be in walking distance from the beach, don't go to Princeville. The beaches on the north shore are amazing but they all require at least a short drive from Princeville.

 

[raygo123]

There must have been some confusion, because CWA contracts aren't tied to a single interval at all. As you mentioned, you own points in the trust.

I called in this morning and what i have is a NYC contract with reciprocal rights at NYC. This is above the one that I receive as a gold member. So I have one dedicated to NYC, and also the one I get as a gold VIP.
This time I called owner care, who looked at my contract.

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[ronparise]

I called in this morning and what i have is a NYC contract with reciprocal rights at NYC. This is above the one that I receive as a gold member. So I have one dedicated to NYC, and also the one I get as a gold VIP.
This time I called owner care, who looked at my contract.

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I really don't understand this. Partly because I think the first NYC should be CWA

But the thing I really don't get is "this is above the one i receive as a gold member"

You don't get anything because you are a gold member rather you get gold because of what you own

 

[raygo123]

I really don't understand this. Partly because I think the first NYC should be CWA

But the thing I really don't get is "this is above the one i receive as a gold member"

You don't get anything because you are a gold member rather you get gold because of what you own

It is what it is. I bought some points there. For that, I have a separate reciprocal at 11 months. It is a perk for buying at NYC. I don't have two, i have one dedicated at NYC, and the one I get for being gold.

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[ronparise]

It is what it is. I bought some points there. For that, I have a separate reciprocal at 11 months. It is a perk for buying at NYC. I don't have two, i have one dedicated at NYC, and the one I get for being gold.

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I know that's what you said. I just don't understand it
you say you don't have two but then you say you have one and another one. (That's two)

 

[raygo123]

To be quite honest with you, I don't either. I didn't even know I had it until I call to double book in Anaheim. That's when it was mentioned by the vacation planner.
She called my home resort. But being part of access, I shrugged it off. Then with this thread, I checked into it so I called the vacation planner verified that I was access and had no home resort. I asked to be transfered to owner care. That's who looked into my cantract and verified that no it's not my home resort, but you have an additional reciprocal at NYC in addition to the one that comes with VIP gold.

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[ronparise]

To be quite honest with you, I don't either. I didn't even know I had it until I call to double book in Anaheim. That's when it was mentioned by the vacation planner.
She called my home resort. But being part of access, I shrugged it off. Then with this thread, I checked into it so I called the vacation planner verified that I was access and had no home resort. I asked to be transfered to owner care. That's who looked into my cantract and verified that no it's not my home resort, but you have an additional reciprocal at NYC in addition to the one that comes with VIP gold.

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If you just look at your account page, titled "ownership summary" you will see what you own

It seems that you have one CWA contract with reciprocal benefits at the New York property. And because you bought it from Wyndham the points count toward VIP

You didn't get this because you are gold; you are gold because of this contract

When they first started selling at New York they were selling bonnet creek contracts with recripacal benefits at New York. It seems from your experience they switched to CWA. Which brings me back to my question. Have there been, or will there ever be , New York deeds sold

 

[raygo123]

If you just look at your account page, titled "ownership summary" you will see what you own

It seems that you have one CWA contract with reciprocal benefits at the New York property. And because you bought it from Wyndham the points count toward VIP

You didn't get this because you are gold; you are gold because of this contract

When they first started selling at New York they were selling bonnet creek contracts with recripacal benefits at New York. It seems from your experience the switched to CWA. Which brings me back to my question. Have there been, or will there ever be l, New York deeds sold

It's not in the summary Page, only after we told him that his price was too high and what we paid for our points did he offer this. It was my wife who decided to buy. We compromised on the price per point and bought 130,000 points to bring us to gold.
There was no mention of a deed option as of last July. But if the push is for access why would they?
Off topic but do you think there is a possibility that Wyndham will do with the avenue collection what they did with margaritaville, or isolated to NYC?

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