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CLOSED: Thread Dedicated to the Upcoming/Anticipated Integration of Vistana & Marriott Ownerships (Marriott Link + Vistana Discussion)

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dioxide45 said:
13 months won't be into Westin properties as it has already been confirmed that Visana resorts will only be available in Abound at 12 months.
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Thank you.
I keep seeing this 13 month reservation for Vistana properties coming from interpretation of what Sales is claiming. Same on Facebook. (mainly Maui and St John)
People are actually buying this.


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samcar1 said:
Honestly, im pretty comfortable with my purchase. I never said properties will go up in value, I said that buying Marriott points will be extremely expensive. This year I turned a bunch of my options into Marriott bonvoy points, went to the Maldives, and stayed free at the st regis. The room was $2,500 per night. For me it was an enormous value. I like to know I can play that way and have a week left over to rent.
I’m looking forward to the new program. I also don’t have time to overthink it. If I did, my head would explode. Lol.
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That’s called fuzzy math.


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DavidnRobin said:
That’s called fuzzy math.


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i know. but it gets me where i want to go for a great price. I'm going to Park City 350k points. $1,400 night. Renting out 1 week for $4k and still have left over options, $7k room stay will cost me maybe $3k if I don't rent out another property. It is fuzzy math but I work every angle.
 
Eric B said:
Interesting. Was there any indication at all that their system was actually run by Marriott officially rather than just being something cobbled together by the local sales department to provide purchase motivation? Same with the rest of the information provided?
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Yea, they had all of my property print outs, one per deeded week ownership. Looks like the same ones i get at any location’s sales presentation. The printout clearly had no Abound point value for my Bay Vista in St John, but did for all the rest. There was some word in the point value position that i cant recall at this time. And their web form that allows them to add property’s to see the Abount point value all added up has no option for Bay Vista either. (I have seen some photos from others posted in this thread that looked like the same app. My sales rep introduced themselves as a Mariott 10+ year sales person and im currently at the Sheraton in Myrtle Beach.
 
Is WSJ Bay Vista ownership based on HomeOptions and not deeded weeks? What WSJ phases are HomeOption based?
 
samcar1 said:
Honestly, im pretty comfortable with my purchase. I never said properties will go up in value, I said that buying Marriott points will be extremely expensive. This year I turned a bunch of my options into Marriott bonvoy points, went to the Maldives, and stayed free at the st regis. The room was $2,500 per night. For me it was an enormous value. I like to know I can play that way and have a week left over to rent.
I’m looking forward to the new program. I also don’t have time to overthink it. If I did, my head would explode. Lol.
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Agree with your perspective on Bonvoy-Points.

I would inverse the synopsis to be "Bonvoy-Points Devalued" as opposed to "Bonvoy-Points Expensive".

We [8 Family-Members] spent 5-Nigts at St. Regis Maldives DEC-2021 and booked 2 x Rooms [2BR-Overwater-Sunset: 5-People] + St Regis Overwater-Suite [3-People] and paid 800K-Bonvoy [400K x 2].
Currently the price for a Regular-Overwater [NOT St. Regis Suite] is 456K-Bonvoy and the 2BR-Overwater is 1.2M-Bonvoy.

For next APR-2023 we booked 2-Rooms 5-Nights at the JW Marriott [352K x 2] as the St. Regis is too expensive.

2021-2BR: 5-PEOPLE [Local-Fee is for Seaplane-Transfers]
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2023-2BR: 5-PEOPLE [Beach NOT Overwater]
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We would never convert our TS-Weeks/Points to Bonvoy.
We can quickly spin-up a few million Bonvoy points due to Vistana providing a dozen 330K-CERTS at $2275 [+Amex- 6-Points/$] works out to Half-Price [¢6.6/Point].
 
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yes. we have that as well. It works out well for me. I always go to presentations, rack up some points when offered, and rack up a lot of points on my marriott card. I am also a member of the Marriott Harbour Beach club in Fort Lauderdale which I get a lot of perks at as well. Marriott has proven to be great travel for me.We had the Sunset over water for 8 nights (a little too long) should have stayed longer in Dubai, but it was spectacular. Also booked a cruise thru Marriott (not on points, had and 8k credit NCL) and received a ton of points that way. I travel at least 6-7 times per year.
 
dioxide45 said:
Is WSJ Bay Vista ownership based on HomeOptions and not deeded weeks? What WSJ phases are HomeOption based?
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No- Bay Vista is just Voluntary StarOptions. Sunset Bay and Coral Vista are the new HomeOptions concept.
 
We are 3 star elite but DP value of our ownership value is 10,400 destination points which is presidential tier. This is based on a presentation we did Tuesday on-site at the Grande Ocean in HHI. Anyone know if 3 star VSN with qualifying 10K+ DP will still be presidential?
 
ndang3 said:
We are 3 star elite but DP value of our ownership value is 10,400 destination points which is presidential tier. This is based on a presentation we did Tuesday on-site at the Grande Ocean in HHI. Anyone know if 3 star VSN with qualifying 10K+ DP will still be presidential?
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Yes. If you get more than 10K, you will be Presidential. Our close friend who is 4 star elite, translates to well over Chairman's Club. He also owns an enrolled Ko Olina week. They are not moving the goal post, i.e. point requirement for each level, during this launch. I speculate that over the next 18 months, they will create a new level above Chairman's Club with improved benefits over Chairman's Club. I doubt they will need to grandfather in Chairman's Club owners who don't make this new level, as long as they don't reduce Chairman's Club benefits.
 
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VacationForever said:
Yes. If you get more than 10K, you will be Presidential. Our close friend who is 4 star elite, translates to well over Chairman's Club. They are not moving the goal post, i.e. point requirement for each level, during this launch. I speculate that over the next 18 months, they will create a new level above Chairman's Club with improved benefits over Chairman's Club. I doubt they will need to grandfather in Chairman's Club owners who don't make this new level, as long as they don't reduce Chairman's Club benefits.
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I agree with you - the way for Marriott to continue recuperating costs from this merger is to continue to incentivize people/owners to upgrade. At our recent presentation they did say anyone already at a certain level will keep those same benefits no matter what.
 
Going to an owners update today.

I was chatting with the manager of the sales team about the roll out date when we made our appointment and also the website being down on 8/1, and he told me that he had received an envelope yesterday from management with instructions to "Open on August 2nd".

Not sure if this means anything, but along the website being down on 8/1 it does seems interesting.
 
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i just heard the 15th. Hope your's is correct
 
just now. I'm hoping my contact is wrong. We will see soon.
 
GonetoMaui said:
Going to an owners update today.

I was chatting with the manager of the sales team about the roll out date when we made our appointment and also the website being down on 8/1, and he told me that he had received an envelope yesterday from management with instructions to "Open on August 2nd".

Not sure if this means anything, but along the website being down on 8/1 it does seems interesting.
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So maybe there is truth in the rumor that they are going to file for Chapter 11 and have already issued the pink slips in advance ;)
 
The new date for the cutover of the program is August 7th. Heard at a Westin owner update, so take it for what it is worth...
 
kozykritter said:
I guess that guy with the envelope marked "open on August 2nd" will be disappointed :p
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Yeah, they probably will get another envelope that says to open on the 1st and it will say inside to not open the other envelope till the 7th. I think the dates at this point sare just comical. I get the impression they are pushing the dates back to try and sell down Westin and Sheraton Flex in addition to technical issues they are running into.
 
dioxide45 said:
Yeah, they probably will get another envelope that says to open on the 1st and it will say inside to not open the other envelope till the 7th. I think the dates at this point sare just comical. I get the impression they are pushing the dates back to try and sell down Westin and Sheraton Flex in addition to technical issues they are running into.
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It's like an episode of Get Smart! Good point on the sell down, entirely possible. I had the thought today that I'm glad that I don't work at Marriott in charge of all of this stuff because it seems like a huge headache. Happy to be an owner out here taking the ride instead.
 
I still think the guy we had at SSB was pushing it when he said “definitely before Labor Day”.
 
GonetoMaui said:
Going to an owners update today.

I was chatting with the manager of the sales team about the roll out date when we made our appointment and also the website being down on 8/1, and he told me that he had received an envelope yesterday from management with instructions to "Open on August 2nd".

Not sure if this means anything, but along the website being down on 8/1 it does seems interesting.
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I wish there was another way to communicate with all sales employees simultaneously and send mail like this electronically. It would avoid having to lick envelops.

That would be a great invention. :wall:
 
I still believe in the August 1st date. The corporate guy, who was not the corporate salesperson, seemed to know his stuff. He said the current target is August 1st but he said they had been promised so many dates before and each time they had missed it, so don't hold him to August 1st. But that was the best information that he had as of yesterday.

Of course if the system merge fails during the downtime, they will have to roll it back to before the downtime.
 
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