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Changes by credit card issuers coming - lower credit limits for non use of card...

It is all to cut their exposure to those out of work because of COVID-19 and/or the economy...

George
I agree with you George that this is the likely cause of this change, but as a consumer, it would have been nice for this notice to cite that as a reason (which it was NOT on mine).
 
Well, Saturday's mail brought two more cards cancelled by the issuer for non use. This trend shows no signs of slowing either....

On one hand, I do not blame the issuers for cancelling cards that have not been used in quite some time but these two cards were also some of my least useful cards (with so-so APR terms, few good balance transfer offers, and no rewards programs). Many credit card issuers still need to review the benefits their card(s) offer their customers because in the current economic conditions, an increasing number of customers will take extra effort to make use of the card(s) in their portfolio that have the best terms and rewards.

As I look through the cards we still have open, I suspect another card or two might take this same action soon.
Still, not expanding our buying / spending habits at this time (for sure).
 
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Well, Saturday's mail brought two more cards cancelled by the issuer for non use. This trend shows no signs of slowing either....

On one hand, I do not blame the issuers for cancelling cards that have not been used in quite some time but these two cards were also some of my least useful cards (with so-so APR terms, few good balance transfer offers, and no rewards programs). Many credit card issuers still need to review the benefits their card(s) offer their customers because in the current economic conditions, an increasing number of customers will take extra effort to make use of the card(s) in their portfolio that have the best terms and rewards.

As I look through the cards we still have open, I suspect another card or two might take this same action soon.
Still, not expanding our buying / spending habits at this time (for sure).

What I find ridiculous is having the credit limit decreased on a card solely due to non-use when that card charges an annual fee! Excuse me....... I will be canceling that card.
 
And here we go again - another card (infrequently used to be fair) dropping a credit limit.

On one hand, it is a good thing that we really don't need this credit space for now but I am keeping track of the issuers doing this for future credit use needs.
And cancellations.

In a perfect world, I would likely close several of our CC accounts that we don't really need or use but when the current credit model we operate under uses the amount of credit one has access to as part of the credit score calculation, the financial institutions that helped develop such a murky system should bear the cost of low activity customer accounts.

Grrrrr.. It's a Monday.
 
As I look back in this thread, I missed replying to your message @Snazzylass - my apologies!
Here goes:

Um, ok. Happy to say, that's not how I roll. Not to say that I haven't had money struggles, I have.

If I f up, I expect to pay the consequences. I will say I've had cc companies waive late fees a significant number of times. I'll never forget a Saturday morning on a car lot with my two little ones and no wedding ring on my finger. The salesman asked me how was my credit. I hesitated. He said, "Stand right there..." And, that's the last I saw of him ... until I became a lender asking the dealership for business a few months later and they became one of my accounts. Lots of class acts working there including this gentleman.

He made the right call. It all worked out. I took a different route to purchasing and it probably was for the best. My first husband really got us in the weeds financially. I had no problem with most of our creditors, and did the best I could to make things whole.

By the way, I haven't noticed any reduction in my cc's limits. I have 3 Chase cards and too many others :)

I understand what you are saying here, but I guess I would expect a creditor to be a little more willing to work with me when I am trying to be proactive about a problem. In the situation we found ourselves in many years ago, I was trying to get in front of a problem that was about to occur. I was taken aback at how little the creditor would work with me in that case - and I have never did business with that creditor again (who no longer exists BTW). Similar to your story above, ours was with an auto lender.

Perhaps another way I look at is similar to your point on credit relationships. I expect any creditor we do business with to make every reasonable effort to provide a fair and equitable service and in return we will make every reasonable effort to make payments on time. When the unexpected occurs, that is when you find out how much a creditor does (or does not) value the relationship. Too many credit issuers seem to be unconcerned with loyalty. And while it is true that loyalty does not pay the bills, when I consider the amount of credit we have utilized over the years, credit issuers are missing an opportunity to lock up future business given the approach many of them take with respect to current business.
 
I haven't seen any changes made to our cards by the banks, but I have closed 5 accounts in the past year. I got tired of worrying about *our* liability if the card got hacked or something. I still have 5 or so cards open. I see having fewer accounts as a good thing, as I will be able (at some point) to re-apply for those cards, or others, for bonuses. I see no need to get any new cards in the foreseeable future, but I will shop around for bonuses next time we decide go somewhere like Europe or the South Pacific.
 
I haven't seen any changes made to our cards by the banks, but I have closed 5 accounts in the past year. I got tired of worrying about *our* liability if the card got hacked or something. I still have 5 or so cards open. I see having fewer accounts as a good thing, as I will be able (at some point) to re-apply for those cards, or others, for bonuses. I see no need to get any new cards in the foreseeable future, but I will shop around for bonuses next time we decide go somewhere like Europe or the South Pacific.

But the absolute amount of available credit isn't as important to your credit scores as your debt to credit ratio is. This is the total amount of available credit on your credit report, divided by the total amount of debt you have and it's also known as your credit utilization ratio or rate.

It's a number that many experts say should stay below 20%-30%. Another way to put this is that your total available credit should be five times the total amount of debt. So, if you're total available credit was $1,000 and your total balance is $300, then you're using 30% of your available credit.


How Closing a Credit Card Can Affect Your Credit Utilization Rate
Just as opening new cards can have a short-term negative affect, so can closing existing accounts. When you close a credit card account, you're reducing your total credit limit. If you owe nothing on any credit cards, your credit utilization rate is zero, and lowering your total available credit won't change that rate. However, depending on the age of the credit card account that is closed, your length of credit history could be negatively impacted and affect your score.



Before you close credit cards you may not use remember, that can affect your credit score as well.
 
I haven't seen any changes made to our cards by the banks, but I have closed 5 accounts in the past year. I got tired of worrying about *our* liability if the card got hacked or something. I still have 5 or so cards open. I see having fewer accounts as a good thing, as I will be able (at some point) to re-apply for those cards, or others, for bonuses. I see no need to get any new cards in the foreseeable future, but I will shop around for bonuses next time we decide go somewhere like Europe or the South Pacific.

To be sure, we would be better served by carrying far fewer cards than we currently have given our credit needs versus the available credit we have. Unfortunately, the credit issuers have rigged the game such that a consumer is better served by carrying more cards (with available -unusued- credit).

I actually have a stack of cards that may or may not be active anymore from recently held issuers. These include:
FNB Omaha
Wyndham Rewards
NEA
Valero
Kay Jewelers

...none of which I use anymore but as I think back to these cards, they were each opened to take advantage of a promotion. Once the promotion expired, these cards become useless as I had existing cards with better benefits. A large number of credit issuers seem to feel that once their card is in the holder's wallet, they can stop worrying about the value the card brings to the consumer.
 
I'm down to one Credit Card. Less risk and easier to keep track of. At one time back when I was married we had 8 or 9 all with balances. One card, paying down to zero monthly, is a good feeling plus it makes life simpler for those who have to manage my affairs after I die...

George
 
I have one major credit card. I cancelled one, and the card company cancelled the other (no usage for two years). I still have a couple of credit cards from department stores but I haven't used those in years. I liked having a back up card, just in case. If/when we travel again I will probably apply for another no fee card to use as back up.
 
I'm down to one Credit Card. Less risk and easier to keep track of. At one time back when I was married we had 8 or 9 all with balances. One card, paying down to zero monthly, is a good feeling plus it makes life simpler for those who have to manage my affairs after I die...

George

Now George - we need you around here forever - you cannot go, sir!

In all seriousness, I hope we have the good fortune to enjoy the benefits of your wisdom for many, many more years.
 
Think about what's going on right now in relation to the pandemic and unemployment. Credit card companies don't know if you do or don't have a job since they don't check after the card is issued. Reducing limits is a real good hedge in case people want to start running up purchases and/or taking cash advances with no intention of paying them back.
 
Four regular use cards -- Chase Sapphire for travel, PenFed for gas and groceries, Chase Amazon for Amazon, Fidelity for everything else.

Two airline, one of which is used for monthly automatic payments, so that loss or compromise of one of the "regular" cards won't force me to change 15 autopayments. They also provide free baggage. But if flying doesn't resume in a year for us, they're going away because they have $95 fees

Two Chase Marriott cards we got for the bonus. One won't be renewed, the other we pay our TS fee with.

And an Amex no-fee card. I think I got this for a car-rental benefit before getting the Sapphire.

It's too many, especially if travel is reduced for the foreseeable future. I'll need to scale back.
 
Think about what's going on right now in relation to the pandemic and unemployment. Credit card companies don't know if you do or don't have a job since they don't check after the card is issued. Reducing limits is a real good hedge in case people want to start running up purchases and/or taking cash advances with no intention of paying them back.
I fully agree with that point, Matt. I earlier expressed that if this was the case, why wouldn't the credit issuer state this in the correspondence?
As credit limit decreases are currently being handled, many creditors are alienating their customers.
 
But the absolute amount of available credit isn't as important to your credit scores as your debt to credit ratio is. This is the total amount of available credit on your credit report, divided by the total amount of debt you have and it's also known as your credit utilization ratio or rate.

It's a number that many experts say should stay below 20%-30%. Another way to put this is that your total available credit should be five times the total amount of debt. So, if you're total available credit was $1,000 and your total balance is $300, then you're using 30% of your available credit.


How Closing a Credit Card Can Affect Your Credit Utilization Rate
Just as opening new cards can have a short-term negative affect, so can closing existing accounts. When you close a credit card account, you're reducing your total credit limit. If you owe nothing on any credit cards, your credit utilization rate is zero, and lowering your total available credit won't change that rate. However, depending on the age of the credit card account that is closed, your length of credit history could be negatively impacted and affect your score.



Before you close credit cards you may not use remember, that can affect your credit score as well.
Understand. My credit score dropped about 3 points and our credit score is still quite high. The remarks note that I closed the cards. No problem for me, maybe for others. I took a much larger hit last month because a bunch of bills hit at once - renewal of our season tickets for basketball (or as we call it this year, our large donation to the university), tenting the house for termites, and our annual car insurance premium. So the score is affected by three large bills but we are still no where near our credit limits. I think that the credit utilization ratio is an odd thing for banks to score someone. Especially for those who pay in full every month. But it's their sandbox. I'll play by their rules. Personally I don't understand the need to give out $25k - $50k in credit in the first place, and for those folks who aren't good at budgeting it is downright awful. If the debt load gets too high, people will just walk away and basically stick the rest of the customers with the bill.

For me, having multiple cards from the same bank was really getting confusing. It was getting difficult to track, even with notifications and automatic payments. I had four Chase cards - Southwest, Sapphire Reserve, Hyatt, and Marriott. I primarily used the CSR card, but when I used one of the others for some reason and the automatic payment was made, it always said: Chase Credit Card payment. Then I had to go into my account and figure out what card was actually paid. I always worried about screwing something up and getting things mixed up so I kept the CSR and closed the rest. (Not to mention the annual fees which made less and less sense as the program rules kept changing).
 
But the absolute amount of available credit isn't as important to your credit scores as your debt to credit ratio is. This is the total amount of available credit on your credit report, divided by the total amount of debt you have and it's also known as your credit utilization ratio or rate.

It's a number that many experts say should stay below 20%-30%. Another way to put this is that your total available credit should be five times the total amount of debt. So, if you're total available credit was $1,000 and your total balance is $300, then you're using 30% of your available credit.

Remember, assuming your debt is fairly constant when a company lowers your available credit your debt to credit ratio increases which causes a decrease in your credit score. So the absolute amount of available credit is important. You can't have it just one way.
 
Understand. My credit score dropped about 3 points and our credit score is still quite high. The remarks note that I closed the cards. No problem for me, maybe for others. I took a much larger hit last month because a bunch of bills hit at once - renewal of our season tickets for basketball (or as we call it this year, our large donation to the university), tenting the house for termites, and our annual car insurance premium. So the score is affected by three large bills but we are still no where near our credit limits. I think that the credit utilization ratio is an odd thing for banks to score someone. Especially for those who pay in full every month. But it's their sandbox. I'll play by their rules. Personally I don't understand the need to give out $25k - $50k in credit in the first place, and for those folks who aren't good at budgeting it is downright awful. If the debt load gets too high, people will just walk away and basically stick the rest of the customers with the bill.

For me, having multiple cards from the same bank was really getting confusing. It was getting difficult to track, even with notifications and automatic payments. I had four Chase cards - Southwest, Sapphire Reserve, Hyatt, and Marriott. I primarily used the CSR card, but when I used one of the others for some reason and the automatic payment was made, it always said: Chase Credit Card payment. Then I had to go into my account and figure out what card was actually paid. I always worried about screwing something up and getting things mixed up so I kept the CSR and closed the rest. (Not to mention the annual fees which made less and less sense as the program rules kept changing).

I understand completely and we all decide what's best for each of us. I'm in no way making any recommendation whatsoever what anyone should or shouldn't do, including yourself. The big three reporting agencies make their own rules and set their own standards.

Just passing along some information that may or may not come into play. So many young people today don't realize, as we do, just how important that can be.
 
Remember, assuming your debt is fairly constant when a company lowers your available credit your debt to credit ratio increases which causes a decrease in your credit score. So the absolute amount of available credit is important. You can't have it just one way.
Thanks.
 
Personally I don't understand the need to give out $25k - $50k in credit in the first place, and for those folks who aren't good at budgeting it is downright awful.
There are a lot of small business owners who charge everything through cards to collect rewards.

Even for regular consumers it can be useful to have high limits from time to time. We’re doing a kitchen reno right now and I just charged $32k for kitchen cabinets to my card. Add in the granite, tile, appliances etc. and I can say I’m glad I have the credit limits I do. The rewards stack up quite quickly. of course I will PIF by the due date so no crazy interest due (we are using our LOC to finance about 1/2 of the project and will have the other 1/2 paid for by next December).
 
Just passing along some information that may or may not come into play. So many young people today don't realize, as we do, just how important that can be.
Speaking of this, one thing the wife and I did for all three of our kids was to put them each on one credit account as authorized purchasers to help establish a credit history for each of them. As I recall, it was a gas station affiliated card (good only for gas purchases) but by the time all three of them had finished high school, they each had several months of credit history and were able to easily get credit as needed.
 
There are a lot of small business owners who charge everything through cards to collect rewards.

Even for regular consumers it can be useful to have high limits from time to time. We’re doing a kitchen reno right now and I just charged $32k for kitchen cabinets to my card. Add in the granite, tile, appliances etc. and I can say I’m glad I have the credit limits I do. The rewards stack up quite quickly. of course I will PIF by the due date so no crazy interest due (we are using our LOC to finance about 1/2 of the project and will have the other 1/2 paid for by next December).
We completed a reno about six months ago and made charges to our CC's as well in order to get the rewards. What surprised me is many places used to charge extra for customers making purchases on credit cards because of the fees charged to businesses by CC issuers. That is not the case anymore - I guess CC purchases became so common the businesses found a way to deal with these fees (or probably raised prices to offset this).
 
We completed a reno about six months ago and made charges to our CC's as well in order to get the rewards. What surprised me is many places used to charge extra for customers making purchases on credit cards because of the fees charged to businesses by CC issuers. That is not the case anymore - I guess CC purchases became so common the businesses found a way to deal with these fees (or probably raised prices to offset this).
I tried to use a CC to buy my last car but they would only let me charge $2,000.
 
We completed a reno about six months ago and made charges to our CC's as well in order to get the rewards. What surprised me is many places used to charge extra for customers making purchases on credit cards because of the fees charged to businesses by CC issuers. That is not the case anymore - I guess CC purchases became so common the businesses found a way to deal with these fees (or probably raised prices to offset this).
I think most businesses are baking it into their prices now but with the merchant agreements they can’t charge more for using a CC (although they can give a discount for using cash).

A few haven’t accepted my Amex and only want MC/Visa. The one exception has really been the trades we’ve hired. They are giving us preferred pricing because of the pandemic, but only want checks as payment - I can live with that.
 
I tried to use a CC to buy my last car but they would only let me charge $2,000.
We found that when buying dd's car. We ended up not putting anything on a credit card.

Oh the days when I was able to charge my dds' college tuition. Made out like a bandit back then.
 
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