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Yep, I can hear my nephew using those words in bold. Additional telltale signs from his/her writing: "Me and my husband" - I remember when my nephew said "Me and my xxx", my ex-husband jumped all over him about bad English. Then MR. Dawn called me an A-h... (deleted by moderator) in the other thread. What 70-year old lady would use a word like that?! LOL
 
"Dawn" or "Matti" stated:

"sptung, is this a joke? I was just trying to help, sorry you've been scammed so many times to now act like a child. Get over it, are you mad we got out, and you're still paying? I can send a copy of our paperwork to prove it, give us a call [deleted]

That number, while a Conway prefix, is a VoIP number which is commonly used by scammers to make others think they are in a specific area. The different number under her "testimonial" at the company's website is an Atlanta prefix and is also a VoIP number. Granted, I suppose someone could be personally using a two VoIP numbers but I doubt it in this case. With the exception of the TUG threads Google has zero, zilch, nada, zippo information on anyone by the name of Dawn Goldberry anywhere in the U.S. Having absolutely nothing about you in Google is very hard to do unless the name doesn't exist or the person is in the witness protection program. :)
 
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"Dawn" or "Matti" stated: <snip> ..."give us a call [deleted]".

That number, while a Conway prefix, is a VoIP number which is commonly used by scammers to make others think they are in a specific area. The different number under her "testimonial" at the company's website is an Atlanta prefix and is also a VoIP number. <snip>

I'm shocked that "Dawn Goldberry" might be just a manufactured name :rolleyes:. I would guess that "70 year old female Dawn" is actually male, a "millennial", maybe computer savvy enough to help construct a web site, but severely grammar-challenged and not at all "good on his feet". But we'll never know, will we?

That aside, can you explain to a techno-moron like me in comprehensible layman's terms how you are able to ascertain that a phone number is VoiP --- and how scammers are able to just "select and use" a number for a particular area they may not be in (or anywhere near)? That stuff just baffles me, to be honest. :shrug:
 
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That aside, can you explain to a techno-moron like me in comprehensible layman's terms how you are able to ascertain that a phone number is VoiP --- and how scammers are able to just "select and use" a number for a particular area they may not be in (or anywhere near)? That stuff just baffles me, to be honest. :shrug:

I use Searchbug to determine if a landline, cellphone or VoIP. The link I use is - http://www.searchbug.com/tools/landline-or-cellphone.aspx

I am no expert with VoIP but what I do know is that VoIP uses a phone connected to the internet to place and receive calls. The equipment needed to set up VoIP is cheap and allows the person to select any open phone number. We have seen many scammers creating fake websites with supposed locations and "real" local phone numbers in the heart of America. However, their websites often reveal that they are located in Mexico (found by verifying the website name with "Who.is" - https://who.is/). These "local" phone numbers they use make victims feel more comfortable doing business with the company (I mean scammers).
 
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Which brings to mind, is there an "easy" process to report scam operations to AG/Feds? This is one obvious one that should be turned in.
 
If you are referring to this "Timeshare Release Now" entity and I am not convinced it is a scam operation. They have been around for awhile and are a legit LLC in the state of Maine. While they may not be a scam they do charge a huge sum of upfront money for what they do. All those testimonials are also in question since "Dawn Goldberry" may be a shill for the company. If Dawn is affiliated with the company I do believe that it is illegal for any company to post false online reviews/blogs about themselves.
 
Did you read the first testimonial that the person received a check for $32K? I am not born this morning nor yesterday. See Theo's response too... I think he said something like he did not believe this operation physically reside in the address listed in Maine. Everything on that site is questionable, fueled by "Mr" Dawn Goldberry.
 
unless you are a victim, chances are reporting a company isnt likely to hold much water...but with most AGs offices having online submission forms...it cant hurt!
 
Just saying that most scammers use recently created websites, don't keep them for more than a few months, and use VoIP lines. This company has been in the BBB for 3 years, has a toll free number and has re-upped their website domain a couple of times. I agree 100% that their reviews at the BBB and testimonials may be fabricated. If so, that says a lot about this company's ethics and a reason why anyone should run away.

UPDATE - did a little more research and it doesn't look good. Dustin Lemelin is listed as a Sales Manager on the company's website as well as Linkedin. He is also shown as the agent for the LLC filing. However, there is an unseen section of the website that is found in Google that lists Dustin as the owner. The link is here but I bet it will be closed soon - http://timesharereleasenow.com/why-we-started/.

There has been a Dustin Lemelin that has been arrested multiple times since 2008, the most recent September 2016. Google the name and "arrest".
 
Good sleuth work. Sale of cocaine, DUI, driving on suspended license, still reading... Mmm... 28 year old Dustin Lemelin, and with his command of English, or rather lack of, sounds like he is one and the same Mr. Dawn Goldberg.
 
Funny - "Why we started" does not mention Mr. Lemelin's educational background (high school, college, degrees?) along with any work experience. (previous jobs). Must be God's most recent gift to the timeshare industry. A noble calling.
 
Which brings to mind, is there an "easy" process to report scam operations to AG/Feds? This is one obvious one that should be turned in.

Now this question is more in my bailiwick, but the answer is neither simple nor particularly heartening. The unfortunate short answer is basically no.

In general (without delving sideways into "conspiracy", which is a somewhat different kettle of fish requiring two or more "players" and proof of some specific, overt action toward planned commission of a crime), law enforcement authorities (whether local, state or Federal) need evidence of an actual violation of law before they can move to initiate prosecution. Sadly, in the timeshare arena, that evidence is usually in the form of multiple complainants who have already lost money to a fraudulent operation and can / will now adequately document their unfortunate experience after the fact. A fraud case has certain requirements, but I will not elaborate any further on that matter, as I do not wish to in any way help to "educate" any lurking would-be (...or currently active) scammers.

It's hard to accept (in specific reference to the unconvincing shill for Timeshare Release Now), but the mere creation of a lame web site with some (likely fabricated) testimonials, separately accompanied by a semi-literate shill song and dance routine on a Internet discussion forum, does not actually constitute a violation of law. Realistically, you can't productively report hungry morons to anyone in authority until or unless they have actually committed a crime. A crime which has not occurred is no crime at all, so it gets attention from no one. There are no investigative resources anywhere for crimes not yet committed.

Complicating matters in the sometimes murky world of timeshares is what the parasites do for the money that they collect. For example, the (too many) PCC's and "relief / exit / escape" entities operate in a grey area. They take serious money from willing people who voluntarily pay it, but who often simply do not fully comprehend that they may ultimately receive nothing more than a web site listing, minimal advertising, or an attempt to find a new recipient for the unwanted timeshare(s) via a one dollar sale listing on eBay. There is no substantive, enforceable guarantee of success (a CYA made clear, in writing, within their contract). The upfront fee parasites who end up facing prosecution are generally the greedy and stupid ones, who basically just take money and then do absolutely nothing. That makes them eligible candidates for potential grand larceny and / or fraud charges at the local / state level. If there is interstate activity and / or use of the U.S. Mail in executing such a theft scheme, then FTC, USPS and DOJ also have something to sink their Federal teeth into --- and the Feds can bite quite hard.

"Viking Ship" operations, it can certainly be argued, are "fraud by design", but the people who believe they've "escaped" their ownership by this avenue are not exactly lining up to file complaints with anyone. On the contrary, they willingly pay money and then just quietly slink away, thinking "it's not my problem now". Time passes, the ownership title is now muddy and the bogus LLC "grantee" may never ultimately be brought to justice (and may in fact never even be found).
That latter situation creates a legal mess requiring time (and cost) to untangle it. It stinks --- but it happens nonetheless in the sometimes murky world of timeshares if / when resort HOA's are not sufficiently eagle-eyed, attentive and closely monitoring and examining all ownership transfers at their facility.

Anyway, I'm getting too long winded and I can see you dozing off over there (...yes, you ;)), so I'll get off my soap box and end my monologue here and now.
 
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Funny - "Why we started" does not mention Mr. Lemelin's educational background (high school, college, degrees?) along with any work experience. (previous jobs). Must be God's most recent gift to the timeshare industry. A noble calling.
He had probably never worked, legally. He looks like a professional long term criminal.
 
<snip> See Theo's response too... I think he said something like he did not believe this operation physically reside in the address listed in Maine. Everything on that site is questionable, fueled by "Mr" Dawn Goldberry.

More accurately, I asked "Dawn Goldberry" to identify the Timeshare Release Now address in Portland, Maine, since s/he openly claimed to have allegedly received mail correspondence from them. I offered to personally check out the address. There was no response at all, just silence and "crickets" (no surprise).

Personally, I sincerely doubt that the operation has an actual office location anywhere in Portland, Maine (...or likely anywhere else either, for that matter).
I am inclined to believe that is precisely why mythical "Dawn Goldberry" could not and did not ever provide any address at all in response to the overt request. Shady operations want to stay "under the radar" as best they can and don't want their actual location or whereabouts known to anyone outside of their operation.

This outfit may or may not be a "scam" involving the outright theft of funds. It could be just another upfront fee "relief / exit / escape / release solution" outfit, operating in the "grey" area of the law, as already previously addressed. In any case, the intrepid (and now permanently removed) "Dawn Goldberry" was clearly just a semi-literate (and only marginally coherent) shill with no credibility at all, regardless of whatever this obscure, unknown "release" operation might be.
 
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Just saying that most scammers use recently created websites, don't keep them for more than a few months, and use VoIP lines.

While I agree that this person is most likely a scammer or delirious --no way anyone gave them their initial purchase price back, much less the other stuff--I would like to point out that VOIP lines should not be a red flag. They are actually common these days. I'm a civil engineer and we just upgraded to a VOIP phone system. It is great because I telecommute and now instead of everyone needing to call my cell phone, co-workers can just dial an extension and clients can call the company phone to talk to me. While this technology might make it easier for scammers, a lot of companies use them these days, so I wouldn't consider VOIP alone to be concerning. Just my 2 cents. :)
 
Well, it looks like this thread took a turn away from my original question, but thanks to those who replied and offered their insight.
 
There is a similar thing going on over at Facebook. This one by a girl named Natasha McBride. Stated out by asking about a company who her friend got a refund from then on another page says she works for them.

So it's a little different with a different company name but the same nonsense.

As most of us know, they'll be coming out of the wood work not that MF bills are in the mail.
 
sadly they only have to fool a small % of people to make it highly profitable...
 
<snip> As most of us know, they'll be coming out of the woodwork now that MF bills are in the mail.

Yes indeed. 'Tis the season --- in many different ways...

It's interesting (and potentially dangerous) that in this Internet / search engine world of anonymous communication, such entities can actually manufacture their own "buzz" in this very simple fashion --- and do so without spending even a single penny. They post a contrived and seemingly innocent question, of course carefully dropping the company name while doing so. They (and / or their associates) then respond to those manufactured inquiries with fabricated tales of astounding success, expressing their great satisfaction, having created their own phony "springboard" to get the company name "out there". The search engine robots, always hard at work, very quickly and very easily find both of those "offerings" with the company name, although both "offerings" may well be completely contrived and entirely bogus. Free phony and fabricated "buzz". Welcome to the Internet, being easily abused (at absolutely no cost) in pursuit of ill gotten gains.

Without any verification or any legitimate and objective "truth tellers" stepping forward to weigh in and refute completely bogus claims, someone somewhere wants to "believe" and will get drawn in, checkbook or credit card at the ready --- and at their peril. As Brian has already noted above, it only takes a very few "customers" to make the deceitful ploy and minimal effort pay off after a zero cost "investment" and just a few minutes of "story telling".

It's tough to tell the players (real or imaginary) without a scorecard these days. Caveat Emptor --- Buyer Beware!
 
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Well, it looks like this thread took a turn away from my original question, but thanks to those who replied and offered their insight.

I respectfully submit that your original question was actually answered very promptly and quite thoroughly. Although you might not have liked the responses, there is simply no easy or magical "exit" available from a voluntarily executed valid contract after the applicable rescission period has expired.

At this late juncture, all you can really do is to directly contact the developer / seller and plead your case for release from the valid contract you voluntarily signed --- and did not subsequently rescind during the multi day "cooling off" period provided and available to you under applicable law.
The odds of success are frankly not in your favor at this late juncture, but you won't know unless you at least try. Good luck.
 
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It looks like this website is 3 years old.

DOMAIN INFORMATION
Domain:
timesharereleasenow.com

Registrar:
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Registration Date:
2014-02-03

Expiration Date:
2017-02-03

Updated Date:
2016-12-21

Status:
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Look at Linkedin under this guy's name. He owns this business. On the website he talks about having 30 employees and decades of experience. Look up arrest records, you decide for yourself how legitimate this business is. The website can keep renewing...until the owner gets nabbed for swindling...
 
I have purchased the same orange lake resort, 45k for 11,500. I was there August 23,2018. I know you only have 5 days to rescind, but I was hoping that since my down payment is not complete until December... would I be able to cancel? Thanks I’m advnace for any tips! I need of help..
 
you can certainly try, but more than a month past your legal rescission period it is not likely they will let you out unless you are very convincing!

costs nothing to give it a shot!
 
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