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Can I search availability of MVC Properties prior to converting Vistana Options to Club Points?

Aren’t all MVC ownerships in Abound already?
I assumed they were.
(Vistana-only Owner)


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They aren't. MVC owners had the option to enroll for a fee. Many didn't. Also any resale purchases after June 2010 aren't eligible to enroll unless one requalifies it with a big developer point purchase. So there are a lot of MVC weeks owners that are not in Abound.
 
Is that week enrolled in Abound? If so, yes. Otherwise, probably not. Not sure if getting Abound points for attending a presentation would give you that access or if those require you to call when you don't have Abound eligibility via ownership.
I don't think unenrolled owners are eligible to select Club Points as part of a tour incentive.
 
I don't think unenrolled owners are eligible to select Club Points as part of a tour incentive.
I can confirm you are correct from a discussion with Sales and Marketing recently. You have to paying the Abound Club Dues in order to receive and use Club Points. That incentive option would just be dropped for those unenrolled and they would have to choose among the remaining incentives.
 
We were just offered the option of abound points and ours is a deeded week pre 2010. Can’t I still use my deeded week as points when I reserve it? Or do I have to be enrolled to do that? The price to enroll and add 2000 abound points was $43,000+. That seems crazy to me. I couldn’t even get my summer NCV week back if I enrolled just my week.
 
We were just offered the option of abound points and ours is a deeded week pre 2010. Can’t I still use my deeded week as points when I reserve it? Or do I have to be enrolled to do that? The price to enroll and add 2000 abound points was $43,000+. That seems crazy to me. I couldn’t even get my summer NCV week back if I enrolled just my week.
If you already owned pre-2010, you should be able to enroll in Abound for free. @dioxide45 can point you in the right direction.
 
We were just offered the option of abound points and ours is a deeded week pre 2010. Can’t I still use my deeded week as points when I reserve it? Or do I have to be enrolled to do that? The price to enroll and add 2000 abound points was $43,000+. That seems crazy to me. I couldn’t even get my summer NCV week back if I enrolled just my week.
If your week is pre June 2010 and you are a US resident, you can enroll for free by watching the webinar.
 
We were just offered the option of abound points and ours is a deeded week pre 2010. Can’t I still use my deeded week as points when I reserve it? Or do I have to be enrolled to do that? The price to enroll and add 2000 abound points was $43,000+. That seems crazy to me. I couldn’t even get my summer NCV week back if I enrolled just my week.
Once you do the free enrollment as others have mentioned, each year you can use your week as you always have or elect to receive points for it instead. You will be paying the annual Abound Club Dues ranging from $230-$295 every year once you enroll it, regardless of whether or not you elect points for it in a given use year.
 
But what is the incentive to enroll? I looked up how many points it would be for ncv the first week of august, which we have every single year….it would be almost 1000 abound points more than my pre2010 ncv platinum week is worth(he said it was worth like 3700+\~) points. Then the sales guy added an extra 2000 points to the portfolio and it was over $43,000! I couldn’t get half of a summer week at ncv with 2000 points, right?
A couple of months ago we purchased resale( 2 ncv gold weeks and 1 additional ncv week for less than $20,000 total(we are still waiting for the Marriott transfer, so it didn’t show up in the portfolio at the sales session). I can trade these through interval if needed. The giving up my pre2010 deeded week just doesn’t make sense, or maybe I’m missing something.
 
But what is the incentive to enroll? I looked up how many points it would be for ncv the first week of august, which we have every single year….it would be almost 1000 abound points more than my pre2010 ncv platinum week is worth(he said it was worth like 3700+\~) points. Then the sales guy added an extra 2000 points to the portfolio and it was over $43,000! I couldn’t get half of a summer week at ncv with 2000 points, right?
A couple of months ago we purchased resale( 2 ncv gold weeks and 1 additional ncv week for less than $20,000 total(we are still waiting for the Marriott transfer, so it didn’t show up in the portfolio at the sales session). I can trade these through interval if needed. The giving up my pre2010 deeded week just doesn’t make sense, or maybe I’m missing something.
The only incentive to enroll is if you think you will want to go to any other properties in the system and doing so through Abound points is the best/most economical way to get there (instead of trading through II or simply selling your week/buying the week you want on Redweek or somewhere similar).
 
But what is the incentive to enroll? I looked up how many points it would be for ncv the first week of august, which we have every single year….it would be almost 1000 abound points more than my pre2010 ncv platinum week is worth(he said it was worth like 3700+\~) points. Then the sales guy added an extra 2000 points to the portfolio and it was over $43,000! I couldn’t get half of a summer week at ncv with 2000 points, right?
A couple of months ago we purchased resale( 2 ncv gold weeks and 1 additional ncv week for less than $20,000 total(we are still waiting for the Marriott transfer, so it didn’t show up in the portfolio at the sales session). I can trade these through interval if needed. The giving up my pre2010 deeded week just doesn’t make sense, or maybe I’m missing something.
If you indeed have a pre-2010 week, you don't have to pay to enroll You can do so by watching an online webinar like others have mentioned here. You are not giving up your week, just adding the option to elect it for Club Points in a given year. Any year you want to stay at NCV, book it like you always have. Any year you want to elect Club Points and go other places, do that. Once you are enrolled, you can also keep using your week as you always have and instead just rent Abound points each year from other owners.
 
The only incentive to enroll is if you think you will want to go to any other properties in the system and doing so through Abound points is the best/most economical way to get there (instead of trading through II or simply selling your week/buying the week you want on Redweek or somewhere similar).
Thanks for your reply. How is it more economical than trading through interval? I’m sorry if I seem slow on this points system, but I’m not understanding how it’s more economical. Thanks for your patience!
 
If you indeed have a pre-2010 week, you don't have to pay to enroll You can do so by watching an online webinar like others have mentioned here. You are not giving up your week, just adding the option to elect it for Club Points in a given year. Any year you want to stay at NCV, book it like you always have. Any year you want to elect Club Points and go other places, do that. Once you are enrolled, you can also keep using your week as you always have and instead just rent Abound points each year from other owners.
I’m wondering why it was so expensive for us to enroll and add just 2000 abound points to our week(he said it was worth like 3700 points I think)? It was $43,000!
 
I’m wondering why it was so expensive for us to enroll and add just 2000 abound points to our week(he said it was worth like 3700 points I think)? It was $43,000!
When apparently it should have been free(especially since we didn’t say we wanted the extra points).
 
When apparently it should have been free(especially since we didn’t say we wanted the extra points).
Sadly they wouldn't tell you about that free option when they can sell you a different option that will get you the same thing. Technically they aren't misleading you, just not fully disclosing the truth. Lucky for you you didn't buy and now you can achieve the same goal for free.
 
How is it more economical than trading through interval? I’m sorry if I seem slow on this points system, but I’m not understanding how it’s more economical. Thanks for your patience!
Well, with II you typically trade a week for exactly a week (or possibly exactly two if you own a lock-off). With Abound, you can do shorter stays (or longer) that are not multiples of 7 nights. Depending on when/where you use Abound points (especially if you avoid higher cost weekend nights), you could end up with more than 7 or even more than 14 nights total for the year. In addition, once your week is enrolled in Abound, there are no lock-off fees, your annual II membership is free, and you have a $0 exchange fee in II when exchanging your enrolled week into MVC or VSN resorts.
 
The only downside to enrollment is the Club Fee, which is probably $230. If you are maintaining an II account (and you only own this one week) and trading each year, you would come out ahead as an enrolled week comes with a free II account and the exchange fee is $0.
 
So, if the week is enrolled in Abound, i have a club fee? The sales person didn’t mention that. He did say there were not maintence fees. Is that correct? All I pay per year is the Club fee?
 
So, if the week is enrolled in Abound, i have a club fee? The sales person didn’t mention that. He did say there were not maintence fees. Is that correct? All I pay per year is the Club fee?
You pay maintenance fees like you have always done on the unit(s) you own, those are for the upkeep of the property. If you want to 'play' in Abound you pay an annual enrollment fee in additional to your regular maintenance fees.
 
You pay maintenance fees like you have always done on the unit(s) you own, those are for the upkeep of the property. If you want to 'play' in Abound you pay an annual enrollment club fee in additional to your regular maintenance fees.
Fixing for clarity. It would be an annual Club Fee. The enrollment fee is paid only once (if you don't get free enrollment).
 
Interesting…he told us the great thing about Abound is that you don’t pay maintenance fees. Then he estimated how much our ncv maintenance fees would go up in 10 years, and how we would save money by enrolling. So not true. Thank for the clarification.
 
And I have no problem with maintenance fees…I have seen them go to good work at ncv for the past 18 years. It was just deceptive of him to say we wouldn’t have maintenance fees. I had many questions, but just wanted to get out of there, so let it go.
 
Interesting…he told us the great thing about Abound is that you don’t pay maintenance fees. Then he estimated how much our ncv maintenance fees would go up in 10 years, and how we would save money by enrolling. So not true. Thank for the clarification.
He could have been outright lying, but it also could be yet another example of a salesperson not actually understanding the product they sell. He might have been confused because there are some fees (lock-off, internal II exchange, etc) that do go away when a week is enrolled in II. Just not Maintenance Fees.
 
He could have been outright lying, but it also could be yet another example of a salesperson not actually understanding the product they sell. He might have been confused because there are some fees (lock-off, internal II exchange, etc) that do go away when a week is enrolled in II. Just not Maintenance Fees.
I hope he was just confused…he was a really nice guy, and he said he was new, but it so strange that the senior guy they sent in later for the encore package still said we could get 650Abound points for the package, even though we didn’t change our deeded week to Abound points.
But I thank you for the clarification…he made it sound like we would have maintenance fees and also we would have a free interval membership.
 
If your week is pre June 2010 and you are a US resident, you can enroll for free by watching the webinar.
I don't think it's necessary to watch the webinar. I didn't. I just called and asked them about enrolling my weeks, which were purchased before 2010, and they sent me a link to click and agree to the enrollment terms. That's all there was to it.
 
You actually can...

You need to go to the "Club Points - Search and Book Reservations" from Dashboard. Then when you search from reservations you will see availability even if you do not have sufficient points to book.

For example, if I want a 1BR Oceanfront at Ocean Pointe in November for 6 nights, this is what I see (unit size and view configurable on right side). Al the "white" dates are available for that unit/view type.

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If I click on a "white" (available) date (e.g., Nov 25), I then get a message that I don't have enough points:

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Have they changed this? I no longer see an option to "search and book reservations" on MVC home page.
 
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