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I think I'll head over to HGVC which has a simpler points system where resale owners are treated much better.

From someone closely following this whole Starwood mess and who just purchased at SDO, for trading only, and from a current HGVC owner, yes, HGVC is much simpler and I have had zero problems getting into Hawaii. The only problem with HGVC is the limited locations. I purchased Starwood to specifically trade into Maui and Kauai (through II). Now I wonder if I've mad e a mistake.

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Deposits within 45 Days of Check-In / Late in Year

I scanned this thread and didn't see this subject addressed but talked to a Starwood specialist at II today about any restrictions and trading power impact of depositing a week close to check in date or since there really isn't a specific check in date under the new system, late in the year. In other words, I asked if there would be any restrictions in depositing a 2009 week in November or December (previously such deposits would have flexchange restrictions and its trading power would be diminished) and he said that under the new system as long as you deposited your week before it expired at the close of business 12/31/09 that you would have the same trading power as if you deposited the week on January 1, 2009 and you would not be restricted to reserving a week during flexchange period (i.e. within 60 days of check in). He said that the trading power would be the average trading power of a week within your floating season. This applies to a floating week and not fixed weeks.

Has anyone heard this? If this is in fact the case, seems like this would be a big benefit of the new system, especially if you bought a TS late in the year where that year's week had not been used or if your plans changed on using your week late in the year and you couldn't use it. Under the old system the week you deposited would have greatly diminished trading power and the week you got in return would be restricted to flexchange period.
 

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Interval World Mag.

I just received the latest Internal World magazine today. It has several *wood specific pages in it. Seems to me it would have been a great place for *wood and II to explain the new deposit process/rules. But no, there is nothing I can find about them in the latest issue. So when do you suppose they plan to tell their customers/users what the new exchange process/rules are? Not until they publish the annual resort guide?

Greg
 

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I want to clarify my earlier comments regarding Hyatt Vacation club and II. Although Hyatt owners are assigned a "blended trading power" by virtue of the points system, we can hold on to our home resort reservation while a true "Request First" is pending. I found the following language in the "Rules and Regulations" document:

(7) A Club Member who requests an external exchange pursuant to the
External Exchange Program is not required to enter the Club Use Period (Float) and relinquish the Member’s Home Resort Preference Period (Float) rights unless and until the requested external exchange is confirmed.
 

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I want to clarify my earlier comments regarding Hyatt Vacation club and II. Although Hyatt owners are assigned a "blended trading power" by virtue of the points system, we can hold on to our home resort reservation while a true "Request First" is pending. I found the following language in the "Rules and Regulations" document:

(7) A Club Member who requests an external exchange pursuant to the
External Exchange Program is not required to enter the Club Use Period (Float) and relinquish the Member’s Home Resort Preference Period (Float) rights unless and until the requested external exchange is confirmed.

How it should be.
 

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No Official Communication from Starwood Re: Changes to Exchange Deposit Procedure

I have been in correspondence with Starwood regarding their deplorable lack of communication regarding the recent and significant changes to the II deposit procedure. Please see Starwood's most recent message to me confirming that they will not be officially communicating the change to owners. How terrible is that?!?!!? :mad:


Thank you for contacting Sheraton Vacation Ownership.

We sincerely apologize for any continued inconvenience or confusion this may be causing you. The new Interval International (II) methodology works the same as the Request First option that has always been offered by II. When you contact Owner Services to request your assignment, your ownership account is "flagged" for this use method. At the time your assignment is created you will be provided with your Resort Assignment Code as well as the expiration date for your ownership week. We are pleased to inform you that your Request First Assignment can be canceled anytime before the end of the use year that was assigned so you can still use your week through Starwood Vacation Ownership (SVO). In the past, deposit first requests were final transactions.

Your Resort Assignment Code was created by II and will ensure that you receive the true trading power for your ownership week. This is beneficial to you since you will receive your true trading power for your ownership week regardless of when you request your assignment. With the old deposit first method, chances were high that you would receive a lesser season when you requested your deposit late in the year. You will also receive a confirmation from SVO that your week has been placed in a Request First Assignment with II. This confirmation was not provided by SVO with the old deposit first method.

Your expiration date for your ownership week will always be on June 30 two years later, regardless of when you request your assignment. For example, if you elect to place your 2010 ownership week in an II Request First Assignment, you will have until June 30, 2012 to use this week through II.

Once your assignment has been created and you have your Resort Assignment Code, you will be able to contact II immediately to submit your search criteria. This is also beneficial to you since you had to wait 24-48 hours with the old deposit first method before you could contact II with your reservation request. Please note that you will not see an actual week posted to your II account when you submit your request and you will be required to prepay your transaction fee to II to initiate your search.

After your search criteria has been submitted to II, this will change your assignment status from "Request First Assignment" to "Request First Pending" in our systems. Your Request First Pending may still be canceled prior to the end of the assigned use year after verifying with II that your search has not been confirmed. This is done while you are speaking with an Owner Services agent through email, Live Chat on StarCentral, or over the telephone.

When II confirms your request this will change the status of your week from Request First Pending to Request First Confirmed. Your II assignment cannot be canceled at this time. You will be required to use your week through II from this point forward should you elect to cancel your existing II reservation.

At this time we will not be sending an official communication to our owners outlining the new process since we anticipate a seamless transition for our owners, although you will be reaping the benefits of the new methodology. We encourage you to contact Owner Services toll free at the telephone number listed below if you have additional inquiries about this new process.
 

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The new Interval International (II) methodology works the same as the Request First option that has always been offered by II.

According to this we should still "keep" the home resort reservation ... we don't lose it? But that is different from what others here have been told.
 

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I have been in correspondence with Starwood regarding their deplorable lack of communication regarding the recent and significant changes to the II deposit procedure. Please see Starwood's most recent message to me confirming that they will not be officially communicating the change to owners. How terrible is that?!?!!? :mad:


Thank you for contacting Sheraton Vacation Ownership.

We sincerely apologize for any continued inconvenience or confusion this may be causing you. The new Interval International (II) methodology works the same as the Request First option that has always been offered by II. When you contact Owner Services to request your assignment, your ownership account is "flagged" for this use method. At the time your assignment is created you will be provided with your Resort Assignment Code as well as the expiration date for your ownership week. We are pleased to inform you that your Request First Assignment can be canceled anytime before the end of the use year that was assigned so you can still use your week through Starwood Vacation Ownership (SVO). In the past, deposit first requests were final transactions.

Your Resort Assignment Code was created by II and will ensure that you receive the true trading power for your ownership week. This is beneficial to you since you will receive your true trading power for your ownership week regardless of when you request your assignment. With the old deposit first method, chances were high that you would receive a lesser season when you requested your deposit late in the year. You will also receive a confirmation from SVO that your week has been placed in a Request First Assignment with II. This confirmation was not provided by SVO with the old deposit first method.

Your expiration date for your ownership week will always be on June 30 two years later, regardless of when you request your assignment. For example, if you elect to place your 2010 ownership week in an II Request First Assignment, you will have until June 30, 2012 to use this week through II.

Once your assignment has been created and you have your Resort Assignment Code, you will be able to contact II immediately to submit your search criteria. This is also beneficial to you since you had to wait 24-48 hours with the old deposit first method before you could contact II with your reservation request. Please note that you will not see an actual week posted to your II account when you submit your request and you will be required to prepay your transaction fee to II to initiate your search.

After your search criteria has been submitted to II, this will change your assignment status from "Request First Assignment" to "Request First Pending" in our systems. Your Request First Pending may still be canceled prior to the end of the assigned use year after verifying with II that your search has not been confirmed. This is done while you are speaking with an Owner Services agent through email, Live Chat on StarCentral, or over the telephone.

When II confirms your request this will change the status of your week from Request First Pending to Request First Confirmed. Your II assignment cannot be canceled at this time. You will be required to use your week through II from this point forward should you elect to cancel your existing II reservation.

At this time we will not be sending an official communication to our owners outlining the new process since we anticipate a seamless transition for our owners, although you will be reaping the benefits of the new methodology. We encourage you to contact Owner Services toll free at the telephone number listed below if you have additional inquiries about this new process.

It's not going to show up in our online account? We have to call II to intiate a search and pay the extra for doing it by phone? Errrr :mad:
 

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I just received the latest Internal World magazine today. It has several *wood specific pages in it. Seems to me it would have been a great place for *wood and II to explain the new deposit process/rules. But no, there is nothing I can find about them in the latest issue. So when do you suppose they plan to tell their customers/users what the new exchange process/rules are? Not until they publish the annual resort guide?

Greg

I got the same mag and the funny part to me was that they have removed my Starwoods from my II account, and all that's left on my II account is a non Starwood - so am I the only one having this problem, that the Starwoods have disappeared from the II list of units? Right now I hate both Starwood and II! Grr!
 

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I got the same mag and the funny part to me was that they have removed my Starwoods from my II account, and all that's left on my II account is a non Starwood - so am I the only one having this problem, that the Starwoods have disappeared from the II list of units? Right now I hate both Starwood and II! Grr!

You need to call II and ask them to put the week back in your account. During this change, they took our weeks out completely.

I haven't done that yet, and we have three supposed weeks in their system. Now it just shows my two deposited weeks and nothing for the future use.

The preference period for Starwood appears to be completely gone. We have lost all benefits related to our weeks. My Starwood weeks have the same trading power as any of my generic weeks. It's very disconcerting.
 

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You need to call II and ask them to put the week back in your account. During this change, they took our weeks out completely.

I haven't done that yet, and we have three supposed weeks in their system. Now it just shows my two deposited weeks and nothing for the future use.

The preference period for Starwood appears to be completely gone. We have lost all benefits related to our weeks. My Starwood weeks have the same trading power as any of my generic weeks. It's very disconcerting.

I did call II a few weeks back, since I have the same problem with only my previously deposited weeks showing up. After almost two weeks, nothing has changed and my undeposited weeks/list of resorts I paid to have in II are still missing :wall: .
 

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In other words, I asked if there would be any restrictions in depositing a 2009 week in November or December and he said that under the new system as long as you deposited your week before it expired at the close of business 12/31/09 that you would have the same trading power as if you deposited the week on January 1, 2009 and you would not be restricted to reserving a week during flexchange period (i.e. within 60 days of check in).

It always has worked that way. I don't know why so many people don't know about this. I learned about it on TUG. In the past, I have made several deposits in December and gotten full credit for them.

I have never bothered to try to pick my own week to deposit since I have found that the flexibility to wait to the last minute is more valuable. I hope they aren't changing that.
 

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It always has worked that way. I don't know why so many people don't know about this. I learned about it on TUG. In the past, I have made several deposits in December and gotten full credit for them.

I have never bothered to try to pick my own week to deposit since I have found that the flexibility to wait to the last minute is more valuable. I hope they aren't changing that.

Actually there are two broad types of owners, SVN and non-SVN. So far, many complaints come from non-SVN regarding loss of ownership rights. Many of us have contracts which pre-date the creation of seasons and StarOption values for those seasons. We were sold on a program that told us to plan ahead, plan early and plan for anytime that is still available. We make our desired reservation. We feel we should have the right to retain control over our choice to stay at, gift/rent out or exchange that specific reservation as we see fit. This is what we've always been required to do under our contract. We are being forced into new rules without being given the choice to opt-in or not. The new rules benefit SVN owners at the expense of non-SVN. Plus, we are not entitled to any of the other numerous trading benefits that the SVN program has to offer. We don't agree with the lower StarOptions valuation for the older platinum 1-52 red weeks being setup as gold plus across the board when the actual reservation week in a given year or the actual deeded week may in fact be platinum.
 

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l2trade:

I thought it was clear that my comment "it has always worked that way" applied ONLY to the text I quoted about making last minute deposits. In other words, the ability to get full credit for a last minute deposit isn't new.

I didn't express any opinion about the many things that are changing, so I'm not sure why your comments were addressed to me.
 

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l2trade:
I thought it was clear that my comment "it has always worked that way" applied ONLY to the text I quoted about making last minute deposits. In other words, the ability to get full credit for a last minute deposit isn't new.

I didn't express any opinion about the many things that are changing, so I'm not sure why your comments were addressed to me.

I apologize if I misread or misunderstood your comment. If late deposit benefit has always been available for non-SVN too, you can count me in as one of those folks who did not know Starwood always allowed that. I plan so early that I never have anything left for last minute, nor do I care to. I do not want to sacrifice control of my non-SVN reservation for the benefit of space banked weeks in SVN. If previous Starwood rules allowed a loophole for non-SVN owners to do this, again I did not know about it. I am a newbie to TUG and message boards in general. I've always gone by what I read on my deeds, contracts and II book.

My unhappiness about this program is really directed towards II & Starwood. I'm sorry if my quoted reply style made it sound otherwise. So, directed at them, not you: I believe all owners, both SVN and non-SVN, should have the right to agree or disagree with any of my opinions. However, Starwood should not be able to force these new rules on non-SVN owners. Non-SVN owners should be given a choice whether they want to opt-in to the new rules or continue to follow the reservation rights of their home resort. I choose the latter.
 

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How does the story end?

I'm having a hard time figuring out how this all ends. We have been waiting to see how all of these changes shake out on the assumption that Starwood and II would lay out the grand plan to us. Based on the communication I received above, it looks like this will never happen. Although Starwood will give us some very generic platitudes about this great new system with "exciting" benefits, we will not be told how it actually works and, specifically, how specific weeks will be valued in this system versus the old. (That's really the only way each owner can determine whether the new system is an enhancement for them personally). So, how does this all end?
 

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An Open Letter to Starwood VO

Thank you for committing Starwood's new I.I. deposit methodology to writing.

For reference, my comments refer to your written explanation, as copied verbatim, below. As any written communication can inadvertently be misinterpreted, please correct any failing on my part to understand your intended meaning.

I am sure you will agree that clarity is the objective of any communication. Unfortunately, I am confused by what appear to be contradictions. Perhaps the terms employed are the culprit. I hope so. For it to be otherwise, raises double-talk to a higher art form.

I was initially encouraged by the opening remark, "The new Interval International (II) methodology works the same as the Request First option that has always been offered by II. "

Of course, every timeshare owner with an I.I. account understands how I.I. implements its Request First policy. Indeed, the I.I. Starwood desk concurs that the single purpose of Request First is to enable an owner to retain their home resort reservation in the event the requested trade is not consummated for any reason.

However, Starwood's written explanation of its new implementation
ascribes an entirely different definition to "Request First".
What is particularly disturbing, is the casual comparison to its advantages over the "old "Deposit First" methodology, without making any reference to altering the meaning of "Request First".

Indeed, Starwood has taken the unilateral liberty of substituting the heretofore classic definition of Deposit First, with its own definition of "Request First".

The described potential benefits of the new implementation may indeed be an improvement over the old Deposit First for some. But, that is what can be said. What it remains to be is a Deposit First in its procedure and process modified to the Starwood system, irrespective of what name is applied. In point of function, the entire purpose of Request First has been subverted. Simply, if the written explanation is to be taken literally, one cannot retain an initially made home resort reservation if the request is not successful for any reason.

To offer an explanation that describes the advantages of a newly defined request first over a defunct Deposit First, without mention of the fact that the commonly understood functionality of RF has been eliminated, appears to be intentionally misleading.
Further, one cannot help but conclude that by taking the unprecedented step of usurping a term in common use for 25 years by millions of timeshare owners, it is an intentional play on words
crafted with care. That is the common definition of double-talk.

Please advise if my understanding is incorrect. As already stated, I hope so. In that event, I respectfully suggest that a clearer communication be released to describe the new I.I. exchange request methodology.

Sincerely,
Fredm.

"Thank you for contacting Sheraton Vacation Ownership.

We sincerely apologize for any continued inconvenience or confusion this may be causing you. The new Interval International (II) methodology works the same as the Request First option that has always been offered by II. When you contact Owner Services to request your assignment, your ownership account is "flagged" for this use method. At the time your assignment is created you will be provided with your Resort Assignment Code as well as the expiration date for your ownership week. We are pleased to inform you that your Request First Assignment can be canceled anytime before the end of the use year that was assigned so you can still use your week through Starwood Vacation Ownership (SVO). In the past, deposit first requests were final transactions.

Your Resort Assignment Code was created by II and will ensure that you receive the true trading power for your ownership week. This is beneficial to you since you will receive your true trading power for your ownership week regardless of when you request your assignment. With the old deposit first method, chances were high that you would receive a lesser season when you requested your deposit late in the year. You will also receive a confirmation from SVO that your week has been placed in a Request First Assignment with II. This confirmation was not provided by SVO with the old deposit first method.

Your expiration date for your ownership week will always be on June 30 two years later, regardless of when you request your assignment. For example, if you elect to place your 2010 ownership week in an II Request First Assignment, you will have until June 30, 2012 to use this week through II.

Once your assignment has been created and you have your Resort Assignment Code, you will be able to contact II immediately to submit your search criteria. This is also beneficial to you since you had to wait 24-48 hours with the old deposit first method before you could contact II with your reservation request. Please note that you will not see an actual week posted to your II account when you submit your request and you will be required to prepay your transaction fee to II to initiate your search.

After your search criteria has been submitted to II, this will change your assignment status from "Request First Assignment" to "Request First Pending" in our systems. Your Request First Pending may still be canceled prior to the end of the assigned use year after verifying with II that your search has not been confirmed. This is done while you are speaking with an Owner Services agent through email, Live Chat on StarCentral, or over the telephone.

When II confirms your request this will change the status of your week from Request First Pending to Request First Confirmed. Your II assignment cannot be canceled at this time. You will be required to use your week through II from this point forward should you elect to cancel your existing II reservation.

At this time we will not be sending an official communication to our owners outlining the new process since we anticipate a seamless transition for our owners, although you will be reaping the benefits of the new methodology. We encourage you to contact Owner Services toll free at the telephone number listed below if you have additional inquiries about this new process."
 

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Same exact generic response as post #182.
 

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I didn't see anything in the written communication that says the reserved home resort week will be canceled upon initiation of the request first option.

This is a simple question that ought to get a clear written response from Starwood.
 

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I didn't see anything in the written communication that says the reserved home resort week will be canceled upon initiation of the request first option.

This is a simple question that ought to get a clear written response from Starwood.

It is a simple question. It should get a simple answer.
Instead, the answer is shrouded in double-talk, anchored in an entirely fabricated definition of "Request First", which mirrors the procedure of Deposit First. Just called something else.
 
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It is a simple question. It should get a simple answer.
Instead, the answer is shrouded in double-talk, anchored in an entirely fabricated definition of "Request First", which mirrors the procedure of Deposit First. Just called something else.
I agree. This is all double-talk. We can't get straight, reliable answers to simple questions.

We deserve the legal 'fine print' of how exactly this works. Shame on Starwood for not providing it, in detail, in writing. What other company would do something like? So many companies I do business with mail full consumer disclosure anytime they make even minor modifications to anything. I shouldn't have to do this much research or think about hiring an attorney just to get the 'fine print' of what rules Starwood is or is not going to follow.

Another day goes by where I still cannot 'request first' with my confirmed 2010 week reservations...
 

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what's on mystarcentral.

I thought I'd throw this fact into the mix.

When I look on mystarcentral on "how to use your ownership" for external exchange for my HRA week (which is in SVN), I find the following explanation -

Quote:

The Starwood Vacation NetworkSM program is affiliated with Interval International® as your External Exchange provider. Interval International adds an astounding number of additional domestic and international destinations–more than 2,200—to your already impressive collection of options available through the Starwood Vacation Network program. Your annual Starwood Vacation Network membership dues automatically include your membership in Interval International.

You can relinquish your week and receive a resort assignment to request an exchange for a vacation ownership resort affiliated with Interval International. Your resort assignment will provide you the trading power of your Home Resort, Villa type, and season your purchased. For a complete Interval International affiliate resort listing, please refer to your Interval International Resort Directory.

Starwood Vacation Network members receive an added benefit of the Request First method of exchange with Interval International. That means if you have assigned your week to Interval International and have not confirmed an exchange, you can cancel your pending Request First exchange with Interval International and contact Owner Services to use Starwood Vacation Ownership to arrange your travel plans. If you receive a confirmed vacation from Interval International and later cancel it, you may not be able to request reinstatement of your Use Rights with Starwood Vacation Ownership. For a complete explanation of your re-booking benefits, contact Owner Services.

Re-booking with Starwood Vacation Ownership is based on availability. You must reinstate your Use Rights at your Home Resort or through the Starwood Vacation Network program during the Use Year being reinstated. Fixed, Ultra Premium or Event Use Rights are reinstated as a Floating Week and not for the specific Fixed, Ultra Premium, or Event Week purchased.

End quote.

I find the last paragraph most telling. Even the fixed week owners, when using a "request first", lose their week. I'm not sure how that's "request"ing first - more like "relinquish first"!

I know this is just re-iterating what others have discovered in their communications with Starwood. I just wanted to point out it's now on mystarcentral.

Even more interestingly, if I look on the "how to use my ownership" for my SBP unit, I get a different explanation of how "request first" works.

-John.
 

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Even more interestingly, if I look on the "how to use my ownership" for my SBP unit, I get a different explanation of how "request first" works.

That is weird, my SDO week for Request First reads as below:

Begin Quote:
Use the Request First method when you want to retain your week until you receive exchange confirmation.

This method is recommended when:

* You specifically want to travel back to your Home Resort.

* You are a Fixed, Event Week or Ultra Premium owner and you want the assurance of your Home Resort week if your exchange request is not confirmed.

How to use Request First

Step 1. Contact Owner Services.

Step 2. Request a "Request First" Exchange
Owner Services places your initial external exchange request.

You must request a like or smaller villa than what you are surrendering, and a minimum of 1 resort choice with 3 sets of dates, or 2 resort choices with 2 sets of dates, or 3 resort choices with 1 set of dates. You can request a combination of up to 64 resorts or check-in dates.

* You may request an II exchange without relinquishing use rights at your Home Resort.

* Fixed, Event, and Ultra-Premium Owners maintain access to their week until a match is confirmed.

* You may travel up to 1 year in advance of the Season owned.

To change or cancel an existing "Request First" request, please contact II directly.

End Quote
 

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Fred --

Those of us who own non-SVN float weeks bought the right to reserve and use any week within our season. You might call it "closing a loophole," but it really boils down to Starwood changing the rules as spelled out in the CCRs.

All owners of a particular season have a specific right to book any available week within the season and do with it whatever they wish (use it, rent it, give it to a friend, deposit it to an exchange company, or let it sit empty). We deserve more trading power from II by reserving and depositing a prime week. It's not a loophole -- it's how the game is played and is 100% permissable per the CCRs.

Non-SVN members have never agreed to such a system and Starwood and II have no legal right to foist it upon us.

I couldn't care less about the reasons for these changes. They are in no way beneficial to me and violate the rights as stated in my CCRs.

-- Jerseygirl
I am a non-SVN SVR owner that purchased back in the days when Vistana owned the resort. I own a floating week and always enjoyed great trades through RCI. When Sheraton purchased Vistana, RCI started giving me a hard time about depositing the week I reserved. They wanted Sheraton to assign a generic week. After several years of a long fight on the phone and winning I decided I was tired of fighting since my reserved weeks (although it was always Easter or Christmas) were not returning great trades. I decided to try II this past year and even though I am not an SVN member II would not let me deposit the week I had reserved. After a long conversation/battle II deposited a week that had already passed and 6 months later I got the trade I wanted to The Westin Lagunamar (although I really wanted the Royals).
To make a long story/question short...it doesn't seem like anything is changing for non-SVN owners. It seems like the same short end of the stick.:annoyed:
I would like to fight them if anyone comes up with a good way please count me in. BTW what are CCR's?
 
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