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California / Cali

And while you're discussing this type of thing, how do you refer to being in Hawaii? Are you IN or ON an island? Will you be IN Oahu, or ON Oahu?

For me, I'm IN the state, but ON an island. I will say I'm IN Hawaii, but ON Kauai. Just as many people I know of say they're IN Kauai. How do you say it?

:shrug:

Dave

I say it the same way you do. And I always have to think about it before I say, or write, it.
 
Where I live Frisco is in the mountains, between Dillon and Breckenridge.

When I was growing up we didn't have area codes and phone numbers started with names shortened to two letters. We had an 8 party line in Nebraska and after we moved to Denver Acoma 2-8811 (AC2-8811) would get you the time and temperature.

You probably don't want to know how we refer to California. :p
 
You probably don't want to know how we refer to California. :p


I'm sure you refer to California quite respectively, considering it is the 8th largest global economy (as of 2012) and contributes 13.2% (as of 2013) of the US GDP.
 
Where I live Frisco is in the mountains, between Dillon and Breckenridge.

When I was growing up we didn't have area codes and phone numbers started with names shortened to two letters. We had an 8 party line in Nebraska and after we moved to Denver Acoma 2-8811 (AC2-8811) would get you the time and temperature.

You probably don't want to know how we refer to California. :p

Personally I don't care. :ignore:
 
And then there is the whole area code proud thing...I totally get this since my area was changed (years ago) and where I live and where the rest of area code exists is two totally different places.
Ha, ha this thread is hilarious because its just about how people are in their mannerisms. My area codes have been: 310 (70s) > 818(80s), (moved to "SD") 619 > 858 and now 760 (aka 442 overlay)
 
This is funny. I think for the most part the only people in the USA who like or even understand California are other Califonian's! But then we have that whole State of Jefferson crowd up in the Northwest part and they don't want to be in California. Maybe the guy pushing the six mini states isn't too far off! :)
 
And while you're discussing this type of thing, how do you refer to being in Hawaii? Are you IN or ON an island? Will you be IN Oahu, or ON Oahu?

For me, I'm IN the state, but ON an island. I will say I'm IN Hawaii, but ON Kauai. Just as many people I know of say they're IN Kauai. How do you say it?


When I lived IN Hawaii, I lived ON the Island of Oahu, IN the town of Ewa.

I'm not "local", (a native of non-Hawaiian ancestry), but I think that's how it works.
 
Fred in Colorado -- I love your state - Telluride, Aspen, Breck, Denver, Boulder, and more - easily my second favorite state. Can't hold a candle to California for having pretty much everything one could want, but a great place regardless. Call us whatever you want - everyone else does, but we just chuckle at that and really don't care.

I have seen people call northern California NoCal, probably riffing off SoCal and not knowing any better. That's ridiculous. NorCal is somewhat legitimate, but like others said, it's usually the Bay Area, plus the Central Valley, Central Coast, and then the rest of northern California mentioned separately.

In the Bay Area, we usually say I-80 East or I-80 West for example, not The 80.

Evergreen though, what's up with that one? Sounds more like Portland to me.
 
Fred in Colorado -- I love your state - Telluride, Aspen, Breck, Denver, Boulder, and more - easily my second favorite state. Can't hold a candle to California for having pretty much everything one could want, but a great place regardless. Call us whatever you want - everyone else does, but we just chuckle at that and really don't care.

Good attitude, you can come out here anytime. Some people get so testy when you pick on their home state or town even when it is done in jest or when you are not even talking about them. That's why I got a chuckle out of this whole thread. Some time ago there was a discussion of vacation areas such as Breckenridge and Frisco. Someone jumped in and pretty much shouted that it is San Francisco, not Frisco. But in the case in question is was Frisco. Frisco, Colorado, just up the road from Breckenridge.

Denver gets a lot more jokes about it now with the new pot law, such as having a new meaning for the Mile High City. Most of us laugh those off as you said because we know that we too have pretty much everything one could want.
 
I grew up in CA too and we never said Cali, Frisco, or SoCal.
But to me "The City" is NYC, not San Francisco.

"Cali" grates on my nerves like nothing else. My kids told me that it started with the song "Back to Cali" from Notorious B.I.G. Ugh.

Haha. Yes, that was when I remember realizing that nonnatives called California Cali. I was in elementary school and had a classmate named Kallie and we said the song was really about her.

As far as freeway names, and former names, you still hear that a lot in Las Vegas. People never, ever refer to I-515 unless they are newbies or out of towners. It is still referred to as The 93, as it always has been. Even the Department of Transportation still includes The 93 and 95 on their signage going through The Spaghetti Bowl (the downtown interchange, so named because of its design).

Then there's The Beltway in Las Vegas and Henderson. It isn't a complete beltway, but maybe someday...there isn't much of it missing now. But the weird thing is sometimes a reporter will report an accident or past incident as "The Beltway and Decatur, or The Beltway and Jones." That is very non-specific, since both locations occur *twice* on The Beltway, once on the Northern Beltway and once on the Southern Beltway. The beltway's formal name is I-215.
I see "Beltway" in writing (ads usually) but I never say it. I say "the 215."
We have The 15, The 95, The 215.
We also have streets abbreviated to Trop, DI, and some others I can't remember right now.

San Francisco was, and is, San Francisco. "Frisco" sounds kind of cheap to me, and that city deserves as much respect as it can get. Las Vegas, on the other hand, thrives on being called Vegas. Nobody seems to notice or care.
I think there are two reasons for this:

First, San Francisco means Saint Francisco whereas Las Vegas means The Meadows. Dropping the Saint part is a bigger deal than dropping the The part.

Second, the city limits of Las Vegas doesn't include a lot of what people think of when they think of Las Vegas. Most people don't even mean the city of Las Vegas when they say they're going to Las Vegas. They mean they're going to visit unincorporated Clark County, perhaps the town of Enterprise (that's where The Strip is).

So the term "Vegas" actually refers to the Vegas Valley, including but not limited to the City of Las Vegas. "Vegas" includes the town of Enterprise, city of North Las Vegas, city of Henderson, and all the unincorporated areas of Clark County that are in close proximity to The Strip.
 
Vegas Bella, you're mistaken. The Strip is *not* in the town of Enterprise, nor is it in the city of Las Vegas. It is in the town of Paradise.

The town of Enterprise is much further to the south, where Cancun, WorldMark, etc. are located. Town Square and South Point are in this area as well.

Summerlin, which sounds like a separate city, is actually a part of the city of Las Vegas.

I refer to the Vegas Valley when I am referring to a large, general area which may encompass more than one city or township.

It is all very confusing.

To confuse you even more, the city of Las Vegas has a council/manager form of government, whereby the City Council forms policy, and the City Manager (not the Mayor) is responsible for the day to day running of city government.

The townships are ruled by the County Commission, which is a representative form of government.

More than most people want to know, I am sure.

Fern

Second, the city limits of Las Vegas doesn't include a lot of what people think of when they think of Las Vegas. Most people don't even mean the city of Las Vegas when they say they're going to Las Vegas. They mean they're going to visit unincorporated Clark County, perhaps the town of Enterprise (that's where The Strip is).

So the term "Vegas" actually refers to the Vegas Valley, including but not limited to the City of Las Vegas. "Vegas" includes the town of Enterprise, city of North Las Vegas, city of Henderson, and all the unincorporated areas of Clark County that are in close proximity to The Strip.
 
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I think KauaiMark is referring to the Evergreen district of San Jose, although I'm not positive.

Fern

Evergreen though, what's up with that one? Sounds more like Portland to me.
 
I think KauaiMark is referring to the Evergreen district of San Jose, although I'm not positive.

Fern

He is. But unless you are very familiar with that area you would have no idea what he was talking about.

And the Strip is not in the city of Las Vegas? Did I read that wrong?
 
Fern is correct. The Strip is not in the city of Las Vegas, it's in unincorporated Clark County in the township of Paradise, which is the same township our home is in. So quite literally we live in Paradise! :)
 
Sigh...I grew up in the 909...but to be fair it was 714 long before it was ever 909. I think I moved out before the switch.

I now reside in 760 which was previously 619. How the desert can share an area code with Carlsbad...I'll never quite understand. But there it is.

And San Diego including Carlsbad was in 714 before 610. But I date myself.

Las Vegas is named like "Greenland" .. ironically.

We do use "SoCal" in places like newspaper headlines, captions on TV news, etc., where "Southern California" or even "Southland" wouldn't fit. I don't think I've ever heard it spoken.
 
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I moved from SF (the city) to San Diego (InsaneDiego) in the 80s and it took me a while to get used to the freeway on ramps being Northbound for LA. It's the way we give directions, get on the 5 south LA and go about 10 miles...even in Sacramento the southbound ramps say LA 400 miles away.
 
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Vegas Bella, you're mistaken. The Strip is *not* in the town of Enterprise
You're right. I looked too quickly at the map and wrote Enterprise instead of Paradise. Point I was making was that it's not in Las Vegas.

Enterprise happens to be where the following timeshares are located:
Grandview
WorldMark Las Vegas Blvd
Tahiti Village

Las Vegas is named like "Greenland" .. ironically.
No, actually the Vegas Valley is a flood plain for the Colorado River. We actually have wetlands here and natural springs. That's what drew humans to this area rather than the harsher, drier spots in the desert. This part of the Mojave Valley is a water hole. Just google Las Vegas history.
 
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You're right. I looked too quickly at the map and wrote Enterprise instead of Paradise. Point I was making was that it's not in Las Vegas.

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Well, yes and no. :) Just like the Strip, our home is technically in Paradise, but our mailing address is still Las Vegas. :ponder: :). But you are right, we are not citizens of the City.

It all started back in the day when the boys who ran the casinos didn't want to be taxed in the city. So they got the county to set up the townships for the unincorporated areas to keep their taxes lower.

All kind of confusing, but it's a fun fact most people don't know about Vegas.:)
 
Well, yes and no. :) Just like the Strip, our home is technically in Paradise, but our mailing address is still Las Vegas. :ponder: :). But you are right, we are not citizens of the City.
I've lived in Las Vegas proper, Paradise, Enterprise, and Henderson. Mail addressed to Las Vegas will probably make it to all of the above, even North Las Vegas. They rely mainly on zip code.

But yes, it's common and acceptable practice to put "Las Vegas" for any unincorporated Clark County address. I remember working in Summerlin before the land became part of the City of Las Vegas and our work address was "Las Vegas". This was back when it was rumored that Summerlin was making efforts to become its own city.
 
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