Buying our first resale

[Frumpy Chalice]

Hi, we’re buying our first resale, a free HGV with annual points (Bay Club Waikoloa). We’re looking mostly for points vs the home location, and just received the Docusign to get started- what might we need to look out for, if anything? I’ve been trying to research but it’s a lot and our only experience is as newish owners with HGV- about a year and a half now.

 

[GT75]

Is SeaBreeze a BG resort? Are you a Max member or regular BG member. Bay Club is an HGVC affiliate (you aren't require to join HGVC). These two TS are in different TS systems. Just wanted to make sure that you know that.

 

[Frumpy Chalice]

Is SeaBreeze a BG resort? Are you a Max member or regular BG member. Bay Club is an HGVC affiliate (you aren't require to join HGVC). These two TS are in different TS systems. Just wanted to make sure that you know that.

We did just learn that this week- we purchased at an HGV and essentially weren’t told that they were selling us into a different property.

Is this a situation where we can’t pool the points due to being in a different product?

 

[Frumpy Chalice]

We did just learn that this week- we purchased at an HGV and essentially weren’t told that they were selling us into a different property.

Is this a situation where we can’t pool the points due to being in a different product?

Is SeaBreeze a BG resort? Are you a Max member or regular BG member. Bay Club is an HGVC affiliate (you aren't require to join HGVC). These two TS are in different TS systems. Just wanted to make sure that you know that.

When we book, I think it’s through the max site?

 

[GT75]

Is this a situation where we can’t pool the points due to being in a different product?

Honestly, I really don't know. I don't know how BG works. I would figure that you will have separate logins (accounts) in each system, with separate club dues in each system. But I am only speculating.

When we book, I think it’s through the max site?

If you can book resorts in the other TS systems in the 7-month window, then you purchased the Max product.

Hgv Max is only an exchange program between the club that you purchased and the other clubs (HGVC and HVC/DRI). This exchange window opens at 7 months. HGV made this sound during the sales presentation that it is all one big happy club. IMO, it is not.


Need to figure out what you initially purchased, and then maybe someone will have insight. I know that @GrayFal has helped a lot of BG members.

 

[alwysonvac]

We did just learn that this week- we purchased at an HGV and essentially weren’t told that they were selling us into a different property.

If you just bought and can rescind your purchase do so.
You'll only have one opportunity to rescind and multiple opportunities to buy from a timeshare developer.

Give yourself time to research to determine what is best for you and your family vs buying whatever the developer is trying to sell. Learn about resale and what else is out there. Also, timeshare sales folks are known to stretch the truth in order to make a sell. Take what they say with a grain of salt.

 

[HuskerATL]

Little confused by the discussion so something must have changed in the original questions. But if you are buying at Bay Club, then it is in HGVC and you can use the time there, the points in HGVC, and deposit in DEX, since Bay Club was recently allowed to enroll in DEX US Weeks. Do you have a HGV account now? If not, then it will take a bit to get that set up. You will need to pay a one time points activation fee to use the points in HGVC. HGV will bill you this.

 

[GT75]

Yes, I am also confused about what and when the OP purchased. OP needs to figure that out first before we can give advice.

 

[alwysonvac]

Sorry for the confusion.
It sounds like they purchased "about a year and a half now" and just recently discovered that they "essentially weren’t told that they were selling us into a different property."

 

[HuskerATL]

So, they have been in and using HGVC for a 1 1/2 years? I am confused by the question.

Or, they are current owners, 1 1/2 years and now closing on a Bay Club deed?

 

[tomvc]

@Frumpy Chalice's profile has "HGV sea breeze" listed as resorts owned. A Google search shows it as a Bluegreen resort.
@GT75 asked for confirmation if current ownership is HGV BG with Max.

Bay Club is an affiliate of HGVC so will be separate and will have better access to legacy HGVC resorts.

HGV is causing the confusion. Sales makes it seem like you have the same access as legacy owners when you have Max.
Legacy HGVC
Legacy Diamond
Legacy Bluegreen

 

[alwysonvac]

It sounds like they became Bluegreen owners with access to all resorts via HGV Max due to their developer purchase 1.5 years ago.
And they are currently closing on a Bay Club ownership in an attempt to get more points. And now asking what to look out for?

They don't seem to be aware of the implications of HGV Max which GT75 points out above.

HGV MAX a membership program that provides primary access to one system and secondary access to all other systems under Hilton Grand Vacations (with a developer purchase)​

HGVC​	Diamond​	Embarc​	Bluegreen​
No rebarding changes. Currently consists of HGVC and Hilton Club resorts	Currently rebranding to Hilton Vacation Club​	Some were rebranded to Hilton Grand Vacation Club However there is no integration/association with the original HGVC system​	Currently rebranding to Hilton Vacation Club​

@Frumpy Chalice
Hilton Grand Vacations owns 4 separate timeshare systems.
As a Bluegreen owner, you currently have primary access within the Bluegreen timeshare system and secondary access to the other timeshare systems under Hilton Grand Vacations through your developer purchase.

If you're looking for general information regarding the resale transfer process, here's a link - https://www.atimeshare.com/how-long-does-it-take-to-transfer-a-timeshare-resale/
As stated in this thread, a Bay Club purchase will give you primary access (instead of secondary access) to the original HGVC resorts. And you can learn about HGVC specific rules in this forum.

TUG has a separate forum for BlueGreen Owners - https://tugbbs.com/forums/forums/bluegreen-vacations.62/
GrayFal has a HGV Max FAQs thread for Bluegreen owners - https://tugbbs.com/forums/threads/hgv-max-frequently-asked-questions-11-16-24.369180/

 

[HuskerATL]

I don't think Bluegreen Max was a thing 1 1/2 years ago. I think that just started

 

[alwysonvac]

I don't think Bluegreen Max was a thing 1 1/2 years ago. I think that just started

Good point!
I found these older posts from April and November 2024. Perhaps they provided HGV Max to all developer purchases after the BG acquisition was completed in April 2024?

 

[HuskerATL]

I am not sure the systems were set up then to do it but I could be wrong

 

[alwysonvac]

I am not sure the systems were set up then to do it but I could be wrong

That's correct based on GrayFal's FAQ thread. BG owners didn't see the activation of their HGV Max benefits until 2025 (see screen capture below).

 

[Frumpy Chalice]

I am so sorry for the confusion, I’ll get clarification and update!

 

[Frumpy Chalice]

OK we were sold into Carlsbad Seapointe Resort and we’ve owned since Feb. 2024. We’ve enjoyed the experience of using the points and really just want to add more. How would I find out what type of points I have? The Tugs person helping facilitate the sale said the Bay Club purchase is for HGV points, not HGV Max. I attached a view from the Home Screen in case it helps identify what we have?
I’m starting to gather that I may be buying a different thing than what we already own.

 

[HuskerATL]

Both are in HGVC and the points will combine in your point bucket. HGV Max doesn't transfer with resale.

 

[alwysonvac]

Both are in HGVC and the points will combine in your point bucket. HGV Max doesn't transfer with resale.

Since they will have a mix of developer and resale points, is HGV currently allowing all points to be used for bookings in the other timeshare systems?

OK we were sold into Carlsbad Seapointe Resort and we’ve owned since Feb. 2024. We’ve enjoyed the experience of using the points and really just want to add more. How would I find out what type of points I have? The Tugs person helping facilitate the sale said the Bay Club purchase is for HGV points, not HGV Max. I attached a view from the Home Screen in case it helps identify what we have?
I’m starting to gather that I may be buying a different thing than what we already own.

Thanks for the clarification.

Carlsbad Seapointe is part of Grand Pacific Resorts (link) and it's also an affiliate of HGVC.
There are several members who are Grand Pacific / HGVC owners that can help address any questions you may have regarding your Grand Pacific ownership.

By the way, why do you have "HGVC sea breeze" listed under Resorts Owned on your profile (and not Carlsbad Seapointe)?

 

[Frumpy Chalice]

Since they will have a mix of developer and resale points, is HGV currently allowing all points to be used for bookings in the other timeshare systems?


Thanks for the clarification.

Carlsbad Seapointe is part of Grand Pacific Resorts (link) and it's also an affiliate of HGVC.
There are several members who are Grand Pacific / HGVC owners that can help address any questions you may have regarding your Grand Pacific ownership.

By the way, why do you have "HGVC sea breeze" listed under Resorts Owned on your profile (and not Carlsbad Seapointe)?

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Thank you, I’ll keep trying to find more info by searching the boards.

And that’sa good question, I noticed it when it was mentioned above but don’t know how to remove/edit that.

 

[HuskerATL]

Since they will have a mix of developer and resale points, is HGV currently allowing all points to be used for bookings in the other timeshare systems?

If they are already in Max, then yes. It is just a bucket of points to use.

It won't raise their tier level but they are usable. It basically works the same as Elite, for point use. Some points count for Elite and some don't but all the points are usable in HGVC

 

[Frumpy Chalice]

If they are already in Max, then yes. It is just a bucket of points to use.

It won't raise their tier level but they are usable. It basically works the same as Elite, for point use. Some points count for Elite and some don't but all the points are usable in HGVC

How would I know/find out the distinction between HGV and HGV Max for our account? I don’t really want to contact our salesfolk after the immense runaround we get.

 

[alwysonvac]

If they are already in Max, then yes. It is just a bucket of points to use.

It won't raise their tier level but they are usable. It basically works the same as Elite, for point use. Some points count for Elite and some don't but all the points are usable in HGVC

Thanks, HGV may fix that later. Similar to their late/delayed implementation of By Hilton Club buckets.

 

[HuskerATL]

How would I know/find out the distinction between HGV and HGV Max for our account? I don’t really want to contact our salesfolk after the immense runaround we get.

Log into the portal. If it says HGV Max in the upper left, then you are in Max. Plus, when you look at properties to search for availability, in the portal, you will see HVC, Embarc, and Bluegreen.

If you are HGVC Legacy, meaning non -max, then the portal won't say Max and you can only search on HGVC, Hilton Club, Great Wolf lodge, and some external exchange properties.