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Best weeks to own for internal ski exchanges

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I'm considering buying into the Hyatt system. I have ready the info on http://www.bywindkal.com/HVC.htm and the stickies and my head is spinning. If Hyatt properties weren't as nice, I wouldn't put up with this complexity!:D

We are a family of 3. My daughter's school district gets week 7 and week 14 or 15 off. Occasionally friends come with us on trips.

Is it possible to get any of these using wait lists regularly?
  • Beaver Creek studio for weeks 51, 52, 7 and 14/15 (in years when ski resort is open). 750 points max.
  • Aspen studio for week 7 and 14/15 : 750 points as well.
  • 2 BR @ High Sierra Lodge various weekends (Sat to Tue) in Feb/Mar/April. I can go during Dec/Jan if conditions are good and there is availability. 920 to 1120 points.
  • 1 BR in Maui but it's not that important as I have access using SDO trades. 1450 points
  • Thanksgiving @ Highlands Inn (2 hour drive).


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I'd prefer not to send points to II. I hope to use points during LCUP for weekend trips at HSL (ski season) or Highlands Inn (anytime). Any comments on availability at those locations during LCUP?

What to own?

Which would be a good week to own in this scenario? A few options:
  • Gold week 8 or 9 at HSL. I will occasionally use this week myself. MF ~1485. Price $3-4K?
  • Platinum week 22 to 25 at Wild Oak (very low chance of using it myself). MF ~1265. Price $4-5k?
  • Platinum Week 12-14, 18-21 at Sedona. MF ~1100. Price $5-6k?
  • Other?
I have not considered a Diamond week at WOR, or Pinon Pointe as the buy-in cost is hard to justify as it's unlikely we would ever go there. I'm not looking to exchange for a 2200 points week, so is there any reason to own a Diamond week?

Other questions:
  • How many waitlists can you have?
  • Can you have waitlists during LCUP?
  • Can you combine points from next year during this year's LCUP? I don't mind pre-paying MF.
  • Can you modify reservation (move dates or resort) or you have to pay cancellation fee and then another reservation fee?
Any other tips?
 
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High Sierra is easy to get during the winter months. I have been there during week 7 a couple of times. There always appear to be lots of time available during February, March and April. A quick look shows every weekend in March is available now for a three night stay. Also plenty of availability in December and January.

I own a late June and mid July weeks in Sedona. I like them because I can use my points during ski season(6 months in advance) and if no trades are available I transfer the points to II or use them at Highlands Inn before my last date to transfer to EEE.

LCUP points are too hard to use IMHO.
 

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One can "borrow" points from upcoing year but you will have to pay MF fees, as well as a $41 transaction fee. You will also have to pay a $41 transaction fee for every wait list request submitted.
 

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High Sierra is easy to get during the winter months. I have been there during week 7 a couple of times. There always appear to be lots of time available during February, March and April. A quick look shows every weekend in March is available now for a three night stay. Also plenty of availability in December and January.
Thanks. Great to know. I got a getaway for week 8 this year. Week 7 was also available but since this is the last year in pre-school for my daughter, I picked a more uncrowded week.

I own a late June and mid July weeks in Sedona. I like them because I can use my points during ski season(6 months in advance) and if no trades are available I transfer the points to II or use them at Highlands Inn before my last date to transfer to EEE.

LCUP points are too hard to use IMHO.
Interesting. Sedona looks promising due to low MF. What would be a good buy-in price for a June week?
 
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One can "borrow" points from upcoing year but you will have to pay MF fees, as well as a $41 transaction fee.
Got it. So this $41 to borrow is different from the reservation fee? So you would end up paying $82 for a reservation that uses LCUP points and next year points?
You will also have to pay a $41 transaction fee for every wait list request submitted.
Do you get your $41 fee back if your wait list does not match?
Also, Can you do waitlists with LCUP points?
 

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I own a Hyatt week. Except in rare circumstances, you will never get a studio in weeks 7, 51, and 52 at Beaver Creek or Aspen. You may be able to get it at Breckenridge. You will be able to get it at Hyatt High Sierra. You should be able to get week 15 at all three ski resorts.



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If you want week 7 at the Colorado properties or Northstar, I would suggest you buy week 7. High Sierra there should be some availability. Breck will still be open week 14/15, and supposedly the Spring skiing there is great, but I have not experienced it. I have seen availability for these weeks in Breck. Aspen and Beaver Creek might shut operations down before these weeks in a bad snow year or stay open if it’s good like last year. I have seen these weeks up for grabs. Weeks 51/52 tend to be tough to get at most properties because that’s when kids are out of school and people get vacation days from work.

You can have an unlimited number of waitlist requests. You are only charged the $41 when the waitlist matches a unit, you are not charged when you create the request. If you cancel the waitlist request before it matches a unit, there is no charge.

If you call to make the reservation, I think you can combine LCUP and CUP points, however, the use must be in the next 60 days.

You can waitlist using LCUP points, however, the use week needs to be in the next 60 days.

Modifying dates means a cancellation fee plus another reservation fee.

I would strongly suggest using points before they hit LCUP. Think of LCUP as the backup plan.

If you are not going to use the fixed unit / fixed week feature of the Hyatt system, then points are points and possibly all you care about is the maintenance fee per point; Pinion Pointe is the leader in that department. Maintenance fees can change in the future. You never know if or when there may be a dramatic increase... as it sounds Highlands Inn will be experiencing an 8% increase this year <OUCH>. However, my guess is Pinion Pointe will remain the lowest maintenance fee property. There have been long drawn out debates on TUG regarding buying a lower purchase price unit with higher maintenance fees vs a higher purchase price with lower maintenance fees. You will have to decide which is best for you.
 

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Thanks for the feedback. I am not interested in going to Breck. Northstar could have been useful but I read somewhere that they don't have too many units there so it's always hard to go. HSL ski weeks are easy to get with II trades. I bought a getaway for week 8, 2020 for around ~$900. Cost to exchange with SDO would be similar. A weekend stay using Hyatt points would be 920 to 1100 points, so once you factor in the purchase price, the cost is similar as a full week exchange. Probably one can get the points reservation easier than the exchange booking. So the advantage is small.

A Sedona platinum week just sold for $4450 plus closing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/312787714060?ul_noapp=true

I will think about this a little bit more before proceeding.
 

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I originally wanted to purchase HHS but decided to go EOYE HPP 1880pts. Cost was less than $2500 including closing. Deals are out there so keep looking.
 

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HPP is pinon pointe? Do you pay some extra fees for owning EOY? Like club fees every year in HGVC?
 

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I own a Hyatt week. Except in rare circumstances, you will never get a studio in weeks 7, 51, and 52 at Beaver Creek or Aspen. You may be able to get it at Breckenridge. You will be able to get it at Hyatt High Sierra. You should be able to get week 15 at all three ski resorts.

I know you are big into skiing. How do you use your Hyatt points for skiing ?
 

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Got it. So this $41 to borrow is different from the reservation fee? So you would end up paying $82 for a reservation that uses LCUP points and next year points?

Do you get your $41 fee back if your wait list does not match?
Also, Can you do waitlists with LCUP points?
Actually you just do a $41 Guarantee via your credit Card when you submit your Wait list request, then the $41 is only actually charged to your Credit Card if Hyatt fills and confirms your request. Thus you only pay $41 and it becomes the reservation fee that would be due anyway. OK?
 

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I know you are big into skiing. How do you use your Hyatt points for skiing ?
I do like skiing and my timeshare ownership revolves around it. I use my Hyatt points to ski at a 2BR at Hyatt Main Street Station every year at Breckenridge.

Breckenridge is a more challenging mountain than Vail and Beaver Creek. That said, there are great aspects to skiing at both Vail and Beaver Creek.

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Got it. So this $41 to borrow is different from the reservation fee? So you would end up paying $82 for a reservation that uses LCUP points and next year points?

Do you get your $41 fee back if your wait list does not match? Its NOT charged until your request is confirmed !
Also, Can you do waitlists with LCUP points?
YES, You can use any points and you are also offered an option to "protect" any points that you do not want used.
 

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I know you are big into skiing. How do you use your Hyatt points for skiing ?
Generally and most years , there is no skiing in week 15 at Breckenridge. or even at Beaver Creek either.
 

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Generally and most years , there is no skiing in week 15 at Breckenridge. or even at Beaver Creek either.
This is inaccurate. There is decent week 15 skiing every year at Breckenridge. At 13,000 feet, snow preserves very well into late April.



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Thanks everyone for your feedback. I have decided to skip the Hyatt system. Risk reward ratio is not favorable for me. I will continue to use II Exchanges/Getaways to go to HSL during ski season.
 

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The High Alpine at Breck is usually decent in April. Whatever else is open, will be boilerplate in the morning and a slushy crowded mess in the afternoon. If you have good ski ability it would be worth it, otherwise I wouldn't waste the points or buy an April week.
 
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