Belaire Golf Resort & Spa in Puerto Vallarta

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(aliikai2) Belaire golf spa

November 19, 2007, 12:25 PM #23
aliikai2

I just finished posting here and i read this article and had to comment on this . everything he is talking about is in WRITING in my contract. 75% buy back after 2 yr at the THEN value. ect ect ..It is just funny to see someone bashing a resort they went to and used them for 4000 pesos and a "mini" breakfast as he says ..eat there and let me know if its mini..and then he posts a link to advertise his brokedown unwanted timeshares online ..Now that is a scam artist if i ever saw one..anyway i just had to coment on that post ...

November 19, 2007, 12:25 PM #23
aliikai2

 

[brucecz]

Does anyone else find it interesting seeing that this is not in the Tug Newbie area, that including the OP 6 of the posters on this string had never posted on Tug before the OP's first post on July 29, 2007 ?

Do any of you vets never remember of this happening before?

Bruce

 

[philemer]

Does anyone else find it interesting seeing that this is not in the Tub Newbie area, that including the OP 6 of the posters on this string had never posted on Tug before the OP's first post on July 29, 2007 ?

Do any of you vets never remember of this happing before?

Bruce

Bruce,
I share your skepticism but no rules are being violated so we'll go with the flow.

Phil

 

[brucecz]

First, I know for a fact that we did not get 4000 pesos promised for the promotional gift when we signed our contract, and I doubt Greg did when he signed his contact. We did not get 4000 pesos after we cancelled so at least in our case your 4000 peso claim is bogus.

I doubt you will stick around Tug and contribute 1% of the thruthfull things about timesharing that Greg has.

As in my earlier post I still would have considered a smaller package but your post blasting Greg does not IMHO enhance the Bellaires image or creditability and will hurt chances of the Bellaire to sell to Tuggers.

So your IMHO seemingly missstatement of facts remind me of "Mayan Palace tactics".

In fact we were incorrectly told to comeback to sign to get the charges off of our charge card. That was not true and was just a lie to get us to resign.

We in fact would have reinbursed Marcos then for the $65 dinner but they had us come back two more times from the south side of PV on flase pretenses. Seeing that our 2 cab rides back and forth almost cost that amount for 4 cab fares plus the 6 hours time wasted we did not gain anything.

But feel free to comment were I stated my reasons for cancelling were in one of my other posts on this string.

By the way Does Your contact have the same clauses as ours did that we legally recinded?

Quote "Later we noticed in reading over our paperwork this item
Quote “Article 5.2 “Quote Upon the dissolution of the Club, its assets, which DO NOT INCLUDE THE REAL PROPERTY, LAND OR BUILDINGS of the resort will be distributed to the members of the Club” Unquote

Excuse me but IMHO the buildings and land IMHO would be about 95% of the assets inherit value and the contents etc as a worsr case situation might require a special assessment to get rid of them.

If not for the terms of that Article 5.2 we might have not rescinded. If they changed that clause and offered a far smaller Trail package membership to test out and see if our exspectations of what we were told were meet, we might still consider that type of smaller package." Unquote.

Bruce

November 19, 2007, 12:25 PM #23
aliikai2

I just finished posting here and i read this article and had to comment on this . everything he is talking about is in WRITING in my contract. 75% buy back after 2 yr at the THEN value. ect ect ..It is just funny to see someone bashing a resort they went to and used them for 4000 pesos and a "mini" breakfast as he says ..eat there and let me know if its mini..and then he posts a link to advertise his brokedown unwanted timeshares online ..Now that is a scam artist if i ever saw one..anyway i just had to coment on that post ...

November 19, 2007, 12:25 PM #23
aliikai2

 

[brucecz]

November 19, 2007, 12:25 PM #23
aliikai2

I just finished posting here and i read this article and had to comment on this . everything he is talking about is in WRITING in my contract. 75% buy back after 2 yr at the THEN value. ect ect ..It is just funny to see someone bashing a resort they went to and used them for 4000 pesos and a "mini" breakfast as he says ..eat there and let me know if its mini..and then he posts a link to advertise his brokedown unwanted timeshares online ..Now that is a scam artist if i ever saw one..anyway i just had to coment on that post ...

November 19, 2007, 12:25 PM #23
aliikai2

Bruce:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[aliikai2]

Writing is only as good as the company

and from a what I could find out about this company in a google search.
They have NO track record, their program can't work, as it was presented as there was no income to sustain the resort.

Once you have been around here and timeshares for a few years, you may come to understand that when something sounds too good to be true , it isn't.

And having been to some wonderful breakfast buffets ( Like my brokedown Grand Mayan) this cold toast and fruit plate with instant coffee , I was being polite when I called it a mini breakfast.

Thanks for your comments on my brokedown unwanted timeshares

It merely shows that you have no knowledge of timeshares.

If you have some of these please let me know as we are still unable to fill all the rental requests we receive, so we are actively purchasing additional weeks.

As for a scam artist, I must bow to you, as you are much more skilled in that art than I am.

JMHO, Greg

November 19, 2007, 12:25 PM #23
aliikai2

I just finished posting here and i read this article and had to comment on this . everything he is talking about is in WRITING in my contract. 75% buy back after 2 yr at the THEN value. ect ect ..It is just funny to see someone bashing a resort they went to and used them for 4000 pesos and a "mini" breakfast as he says ..eat there and let me know if its mini..and then he posts a link to advertise his brokedown unwanted timeshares online ..Now that is a scam artist if i ever saw one..anyway i just had to coment on that post ...

November 19, 2007, 12:25 PM #23
aliikai2

 

[rolledupaces]

Response to aliikai2 ...

aliikai2 This is for you ..Dec 2 2007 this basically says that mayan palace timeshare will be shut down due to the lies and law suits that it has. Currently it has the most law suits in the country of mexico over 2000(quejas) in the last 9 months . I am just translating this for everyone so you know before you listen to This guy (aliikai2) trying to sell you his weeks..if you want to go to the mayan just go to www.wyndham.com and search mexico and get all the mayan you want ...it has been bought out by this company. Due to all the legal problems. you should feel ashamed trying to rent your timeshare to people on here when they can just rent it per night at www.wyndham.com
Enjoy your stay at the Mayan !!!! or should i say wyndham....??

 

[aliikai2]

Aahhh, here we go..

OK, so lets talk about your sales manager( opps, I mean the Hotel Bellaire's sales manager), the guy that trained all the MP/Grupo Mayan sales staff..

Also, as you are displaying your ignorance, Wyndam Hotels is now a rental arm of Grupo Mayan, they didn't merge, Wyndam Didn't buy Grupo Mayan.

What a moron, like I said earlier, once you have been around for a while and have a clue as to what is going on in the world of timeshare, Maybe, Just Maybe I will engage with you again, but as of now I refuse to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed individual.

GREG

aliikai2 This is for you ..Dec 2 2007 this basically says that mayan palace timeshare will be shut down due to the lies and law suits that it has. Currently it has the most law suits in the country of mexico over 2000(quejas) in the last 9 months . I am just translating this for everyone so you know before you listen to This guy (aliikai2) trying to sell you his weeks..if you want to go to the mayan just go to www.wyndham.com and search mexico and get all the mayan you want ...it has been bought out by this company. Due to all the legal problems. you should feel ashamed trying to rent your timeshare to people on here when they can just rent it per night at www.wyndham.com
Enjoy your stay at the Mayan !!!! or should i say wyndham....??

 

[philemer]

This is getting personal so I'm closing for now while the admins. review it.

We're reopening this thread. Remember the TUG rules about being kind & playing nice.

Phil

 

[brucecz]

I spoke with Dorota this afternoon. She stated again that materials should be out to us before the end of this year and that a member newsletter will be going out in the next week or so. She said the construction completion date is expected to be Jan 2009.

I asked about an exchange company and she said they would be with the Registry Collection. A quick call to the Registry Collection confirmed that they are currently in talks, though nothing is finalized. To clarify, the rep said that Belaire expects to be a member of RC, and RC expects Belaire to be a member. The question now is how are we supposed to use our 2008 weeks if there is no inventory at Belaire to trade.

More news as it happens.

I was told that the first "Belaire Tower" was to be completed by about August- September 2008 in time to be used for our next anniversary. I find that now you were told Jan 2009. Maybe due to a lack of communication between the management and the sales force?

We were told this September that they were already signed with the Registry Collection and we were told that we could trade into the resort at Laguna ? Beach early 2008. Maybe again due to a lack of communication between the management and the sales force?


But why would the Registry Collection confirm with a outside party that the Registry Collection was in talks with a company" ? I find that interesting and a bit shocking that they have supposedly not gotten a deal done over months and months that the Registry Collection would disclose something like that to a non principal. If the deal never is done it would not reflect very well on the Registry Collection.

So did the Registry Collection tell you why after months and months the deal has not been done? If so, please share with us.

So almost 2 months later they still have not hooked up.
We were told verbally that the exchange part was no problem if we bought even though not one non presentation usable (exchangeable)Belaire unit has been built yet.

Of course Marcos did not put that exchange in writing as a addendum to the contract that the offered exchange with the Registry Collection could confirmed in writing by the Registry Collection.

I am looking forward to the updates on the progress of the Bellaire being posted here..

I am curious that no one has offered a factual explanation backed by solid math to counter Gregs posting that questions if the Bellaire is going to offer all of the great services with no maintenance fees, how does this project pay its operating expenses down the road in 5 or 10 years?

Maybe someone would be kind enough to show us the math behind keeping Belaire solvent. Thanks in advance for your kindness in sharing that proof of that vital information on how any timeshare can survive and sustain itself over 5, 10 years with no type of maintenance fees.

Bruce

 

[Suzzy]

We just got back From Belaire in Puerto Vallarta

We just got back from a trip in late November 2007. We were promised a 4 night stay, shuttle from the airport, and many other things to visit their development for $299. However, they did not pick us up at the airport and did not tell us where to go. Someone at the airport found a cell phone number for someone at the Belaire development and they told us to go to the Marriott and they would pay for it.

Belaire never paid our hotel bill, never paid for golf or several other items they promised. So we are out about $1,000 US dollars on that trip.:annoyed:

We toured their site and told them of our problems receiving what they offered and they promised to reimburse us. They paid for an inexpensive boat trip, inexpensive massage, and shuttle fee from the airport but no hotel cost, no golf, and other items they promised.

They are disorganized.

The pictures they show on their website that shows they have broken ground are pretty fake. They simply leveled a small section of ground. They have not touched the ground since then. The dirt is just sitting there with no construction.

While they hired a nice designer for the model units I would never buy from them. The airport noise when you are outside is loud. But more importantly, I don't think I have ever seen such a disorganized company.

 

[brucecz]

Thanks for letting know of your problems. Your posting strongly indicates that Greg and I made the correct and wise decision to recind.

I do feel sorry for the posters who really had bought into the Bellarire promises and did not recind in time.

I would suggest you email Dorota at dorta@belairevacationclub.com as Dorota was supposely the one removed the charges from our credit card one day earlier than she said she would. We had paid in full for all 10 weeks.

I think there may be a way to contact her by phone toll free. Email her and ask for that phone number. Or maybe one of the buyers who posted here that they bought will post that number. Or try to see if a toll free phone number to contact them is available on their website.

Have you called your credit company to dispute the extra costs to you because the Belaire did not honor their promises to you? It might be worth a try.

But I am suggesting that you definately contact Profeco and send them copies all of your emails, faxes, and any other documention you have of the Bellaire promises that were not honored.

Hopefully you will be able to get all or at least some of your money back? I take it that you did not get 4,000 pesos from the Belaire for touring if you did not buy.

But on the bright side congradulations that you did not buy and spend the many thousands of dollars of money that some posters said they spent.


I wonder how did you find out about the Belaire to contact them to fly in from somewere else to Puerto Vallarta? Or did they somehow contact you?

But thanks for sharing as your input on this string may be of help to others who will read this string before they go down to Puerto Vallarta.

But good luck to you in trying to get them to honor their many failed promises and committments to you.

Bruce

We just got back from a trip in late November 2007. We were promised a 4 night stay, shuttle from the airport, and many other things to visit their development for $299. However, they did not pick us up at the airport and did not tell us where to go. Someone at the airport found a cell phone number for someone at the Belaire development and they told us to go to the Marriott and they would pay for it.

Belaire never paid our hotel bill, never paid for golf or several other items they promised. So we are out about $1,000 US dollars on that trip.:annoyed:

We toured their site and told them of our problems receiving what they offered and they promised to reimburse us. They paid for an inexpensive boat trip, inexpensive massage, and shuttle fee from the airport but no hotel cost, no golf, and other items they promised.

They are disorganized.

The pictures they show on their website that shows they have broken ground are pretty fake. They simply leveled a small section of ground. They have not touched the ground since then. The dirt is just sitting there with no construction.

While they hired a nice designer for the model units I would never buy from them. The airport noise when you are outside is loud. But more importantly, I don't think I have ever seen such a disorganized company.

 

[lilbit]

New member

Bruce,
I am new to this site and new to buying time shares in general, I have been approached by Antonio @ the bellaire golf & spa resort in PV, he wants to fly my wife and I down for a 4 night 5 day fully paid for trip, with extravigant dinners, fishing trips, golfing and more. His sales pitch to me was he was a tax expert and he could show me how to never pay taxes again for my small business and he would show me how to make a lot of money owning a Quote "membership", I asked if it was a time share and he said NO. Now I found this forum on the web and I am vary interested in finding out more information. He did say this is a pre construction sale and that he has sold 25 Million with in the last 6 months, and this is his 6th party to buy and sell realestate. He said he paid 5 Million for the land and the total project would be done in 18 months guaranteed in writing. He has convinced another friend of mine to buy in at 150k, which would include a lifetime membership, first class accomodations every time, everything paid for on each trip, super bowl tickets, NBA playoffs, golf tournament, he has 6 yachts for us to use anytime we are there, all airfares would be paid for the entire family as many times and as much as we want to use the 2 bedroom suite.
Has anyone else been offerred this type of deal. Everything I am reading spells out time share period, and the dollars most of them are talking about is 6 -10k for 10 weeks,
Any thoughts or guidance, I am having lunch with my friend tomorrow to discuss his deal in detail.

Any help would be appreciated, by the way great site I found. Very informative.

 

[brucecz]

Thanks for asking and I am flattered but I am not a Timeshare or Tax expert like some on this site are. I still use the same tax accountant I used for about 25 years when I started by small business 25 years ago before retiring in early 2001.

After reading all the posts on this string posted so far I think you may already know the answer.

But let me ask you what is your common sense telling you once you get past all the whisles and bells?

What do you think a certified accountant would tell you about the following?
What would your accountant tell you about what I quoted immediately below?

Quote "His sales pitch to me was he was a tax expert and he could show me how to neverrofl: :rofl pay taxes again for my small business and he would show me how to make a lot of money owning a Quote "membership", I asked if it was a time share and he said NO."

Maybe Dave M. a Tug Moderator and I belive is a certified accountant may provide you with a answer that is thruthful and legally correct and so the US goverment does not come after you. I think he just recently posted about a similar type tax claim made in Mexico, but I do not want to make a mistake by trying to post what I think he said. I found that thread and hear it is.

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http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60316

There presentation certainly has a lot of sizzle, but where is the steak. The steak is not was verbally promised but is written in to the contract. Certainly not in the paperwork as I pointed out below. None of the posters have tryed to refute that fact because it is written in the we received paperwork. They made a lot of promises but those verbal promises were NOT put into the contract.

My reasoning was and still is Quote "Later we noticed in reading over our paperwork this item
Quote “Article 5.2 “Quote Upon the dissolution of the Club, its assets, which DO NOT INCLUDE THE REAL PROPERTY, LAND OR BUILDINGS of the resort will be distributed to the members of the Club” Unquote.

Quoting myself Quote "Excuse me but IMHO the buildings and land IMHO would be about 95% of the assets inherit value and the contents etc as a worsr case situation might require a special assessment to get rid of them." Unquote


I myself recinded in the proper legal manner and the most of the posts on this string reinforce the feeling that I was 100% correct in recinding. Especially the posts that IMHO attacked Greg unfairly.

But two days from tonight we will be either in a ocean front unit at the Driftwood Inn in Vero Beach, Fl or at the Reef in the Keys depending which area has the better.

Bruce

 

[brucecz]

Bruce,
I am new to this site and new to buying time shares in general, I have been approached by Antonio @ the bellaire golf & spa resort in PV, he wants to fly my wife and I down for a 4 night 5 day fully paid for trip, with extravigant dinners, fishing trips, golfing and more. His sales pitch to me was he was a tax expert and he could show me how to never pay taxes again for my small business and he would show me how to make a lot of money owning a Quote "membership", I asked if it was a time share and he said NO. Now I found this forum on the web and I am vary interested in finding out more information. He did say this is a pre construction sale and that he has sold 25 Million with in the last 6 months, and this is his 6th party to buy and sell realestate. He said he paid 5 Million for the land and the total project would be done in 18 months guaranteed in writing. He has convinced another friend of mine to buy in at 150k, which would include a lifetime membership, first class accomodations every time, everything paid for on each trip, super bowl tickets, NBA playoffs, golf tournament, he has 6 yachts for us to use anytime we are there, all airfares would be paid for the entire family as many times and as much as we want to use the 2 bedroom suite.
Has anyone else been offerred this type of deal. Everything I am reading spells out time share period, and the dollars most of them are talking about is 6 -10k for 10 weeks,
Any thoughts or guidance, I am having lunch with my friend tomorrow to discuss his deal in detail.

Any help would be appreciated, by the way great site I found. Very informative.

Below is one thing that tells me that I made the correct decision. Does this sound similar to what you are being promised?

Quote "We just got back from a trip in late November 2007. We were promised a 4 night stay, shuttle from the airport, and many other things to visit their development for $299. However, they did not pick us up at the airport and did not tell us where to go. Someone at the airport found a cell phone number for someone at the Belaire development and they told us to go to the Marriott and they would pay for it.

Belaire never paid our hotel bill, never paid for golf or several other items they promised. So we are out about $1,000 US dollars on that trip.

We toured their site and told them of our problems receiving what they offered and they promised to reimburse us. They paid for an inexpensive boat trip, inexpensive massage, and shuttle fee from the airport but no hotel cost, no golf, and other items they promised.

They are disorganized.

The pictures they show on their website that shows they have broken ground are pretty fake. They simply leveled a small section of ground. They have not touched the ground since then. The dirt is just sitting there with no construction." Unquote.

Bruce

 

[jeffk]

Belaire

Hello everyone,

We were a referral from one of the members who purchased before, first my wife totally fell in love with the project, we never saw anything so beautiful as the Belaire club, about the taxes.... we were very happy with what they showed and told us on Tax Benefits, we own a construction company and I'm sure that if it fits your scenario of benefit, you probably wouldn't have to pay taxes again, there are advantages in the program that are helpful, probably to many people like us, if you're wondering if the tax benefits work, they work for us this year.

Jeff

 

[brucecz]

Hello everyone,

We were a referral from one of the members who purchased before, first my wife totally fell in love with the project, we never saw anything so beautiful as the Belaire club, about the taxes.... we were very happy with what they showed and told us on Tax Benefits, we own a construction company and I'm sure that if it fits your scenario of benefit, you probably wouldn't have to pay taxes again, there are advantages in the program that are helpful, probably to many people like us, if you're wondering if the tax benefits work, they work for us this year.

Jeff

Gee, this string must be setting a record for the highest percentage of first time posters. I see this poster also just registered in the last 24 hours.



Quote "we own a construction company and I'm sure that if it fits your scenario of benefit, you probably wouldn't have to pay taxes again" Unquote.
What is the name of your company?

Please name the US accounting firm and the certified accountant that gave you that advice saying this "deal" is legal in regard to paying no US taxes again while remaining a US citizen.

Or at least please identify the US tax code number that allows you and other US citizens not to pay US taxes because of this offering.

Then people can verify your information as part of their due dilagence. Other wise people may think you are a shill.

Here is what a certified accountant and said about another Mexican :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: pay no taxes pipedream.

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60316

If anyone really belives this pay no taxes, pay no upkeep, pay no maintence fees talk and supposed I would suggest you spend a couple of dollars to talk to accountant and get their opinion.

If the last poster can not or will not identify that US tax code number loophole then people may question his agenda of his first post.

I wonder if Tug tracked all the posters IP's on this if any are coming from Mexico? I saw that on another string a poster said that Tug could trace those IP's.

None of the posters in their signatures, etc have stated that they are from Mexico.

Bruce

 

[Dave M]

"jeffk" posts from Mexico, the location of the resort, not from San Diego, where he claims he is from. Take that into consideration in deciding whether to give credibility to his post.

Edited to add that he is posting from the same geographical area in Mexico as "rolledupaces" posts from.

 

[aliikai2]

Hola, San Diego has moved to

Puerto Vallarta..:rofl: :rofl: :hysterical:

More unarmed individuals trying to get into a battle of wits....

I guess they figure that we are as poorly equipped in the gray matter department as they appear to be, to come hear and try to snow us on our own turf.:annoyed:

Looks like the standard TS sales proffesional, if you can't impress them with your knowledge, then try to dazzle them with your bulls...

fwiw,

Greg

 

[Blondie]

I was going to say there really is one "born every minute" but on this thread I think we are talking about multiple births. The new posters here appear to think they know lots more than seasoned tuggers. I have only read bits and pieces of what is posted here but I am sure my tax accountant would advise against my investing $150K (yikes) in this shell game. Good lord, anyone with half a brain knows the risks of buying in Mexico from a developer with nothing to show but a breakfast. How dumb can you be?

 

[brucecz]

Thank you Dave for your posting and giving everyone a heads up.

Bruce

 

[jeffk]

Posting from Mexico

Just touching base with you guys, and to reply Dave's comment. Why am I posting from Mexico? well, that's because we're still in Mexico, actually we're goign back to San Diego in two more weeks where I'll touch base with you guys so Dave can make sure I'm posting from US, in the meantime, I'll keep posting from Mexico, just to let you know I just came from the property and Andre, our salesman just invited me to the grand opening of their restaurant, which will be this wednesdat 19th, he told me all the big people in Puerto Vallarta will be here, so I we'll have a chance to meet the mayor of Puerto Vallarta and get to know the future plans for the city, I'm sure they will be protecting our investment, also we noticed they started bringing the real equipment like the big Cranes we saw on Peninsula and Tres Mares, so hopefully we will eye witness the start of the foundations before we go back home .

 

[Blondie]

Yikes- you're sure they are protecting your investment?? Shows how little you know regarding Mexico timeshares. Take a few minutes and read up on that topic. You could learn a few things.

 

[brucecz]

Just touching base with you guys, and to reply Dave's comment. Why am I posting from Mexico? well, that's because we're still in Mexico, actually we're goign back to San Diego in two more weeks where I'll touch base with you guys so Dave can make sure I'm posting from US, in the meantime, I'll keep posting from Mexico, just to let you know I just came from the property and Andre, our salesman just invited me to the grand opening of their restaurant, which will be this wednesdat 19th, he told me all the big people in Puerto Vallarta will be here, so I we'll have a chance to meet the mayor of Puerto Vallarta and get to know the future plans for the city, I'm sure they will be:hysterical: protecting our investment, also we noticed they started bringing the real equipment like the big Cranes we saw on Peninsula and Tres Mares, so hopefully we will eye witness the start of the foundations before we go back home .

Quote[ rolledupaces
Guest


BBS Reg. Date: Dec 2, 07
Posts: 3 belaire golf spa

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we recently came back from puero vallarta where we saw a resort called belarie golf and spa resorts and we must say its was a amazing property. They are still in the building stages but they showed us all there websites. www.idom.com and they treated us wonderful. my wife is still amazed at the unit !!! Was worth :hysterical: every penni! If you attend this presentation you will be amazed ..i assure you on this . The best product i have seen ..In my opinion.
A young man by the name of jonathan was our contact there. ]Unquote

RolledupAaces in the post number 25 I am quoting here claimed to have turned from Mexico on Dec 2, 2007. He is still in Mexico just like you are.
I pull the symbols in the quote above to express my opinion about this uncreditable poster that is a BLANTANT SHILL.

Maybe you are just taking a trip to San Diego. I guess someone may post to you a 3 weeks or a month or 2 or 3 or so after you post from San Diego to see if you respond asap and what your IP is at that time. This is a good way for you to show you are not just another shill like rolledupaces apparently is. Maybe you are just a newbie minnow unaware that you are swimming with vacation club sharks.


If you still belive or maybe just want to and hope that you were not ripped off and that rolledupaces and the gang he seems to represent is crew who you trust after reading posts numbers 25,26, 36,43,44 and 48, I would have to question your judgement.

IMHO it appears for some unknown reason and against basic common sense that you are in denial. Or as I said before maybe you are just a newbie minnow unaware that you are swimming with vacation club sharks.

But you seemingly are sticking up for the likes of rolledupaces when you did not express any concern about his lies. What do you think of the lies and the attacks by rolledupaces on this string?

Bruce

 

[italianma]

Timeshare Rentals

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