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Atlantis Wifi/Internet

Ada--glad you are having a good time. I will be there in a week and a half and I am concerned about the jellyfish. We usually travel to Harborside in July and have never had a problem before. If it is not to much trouble, can you please provide an update on the situation before you leave? My daughter is little and I would hate for her to be stung. I love it there. I hope the rest of your vacation is fun and enjoyable.

Anita
 
It's not as if all these things were streaming NetFlix videos at the same time. Probably not more than one used at a time, certainly not consuming excessive bandwidth. We just wonder why a high end resort like Harborside charges for internet access when every other nice resort in the free world offers it for free. And the owners have paid for it, even though visitors get to use it.
 
We did not go to the beach today because we did the Powerboat Adventures tour, and tomorrow we are doing a dolphin swim at the Blue Lagoon, so our last and only day at the beach will be Thursday, I will post an update then.

Truthfully there were 100 people in the water at the Cove beach the morning my daughter got the sting, and she was the only one I saw that got stung. Another girl approached us when she saw my daughter was stung, and said she had been stung two days before as well. But it didn't seem to happen often. I will post an update after Thursday!

Ada--glad you are having a good time. I will be there in a week and a half and I am concerned about the jellyfish. We usually travel to Harborside in July and have never had a problem before. If it is not to much trouble, can you please provide an update on the situation before you leave? My daughter is little and I would hate for her to be stung. I love it there. I hope the rest of your vacation is fun and enjoyable.

Anita
 
It's not as if all these things were streaming NetFlix videos at the same time. Probably not more than one used at a time, certainly not consuming excessive bandwidth.

Exactly.

We just wonder why a high end resort like Harborside charges for internet access when every other nice resort in the free world offers it for free. And the owners have paid for it, even though visitors get to use it.

Well, Harborside charges for it since the management charges for all of the Atlantis properties, and doesn't distinguish the timeshare portion for this service. I suppose the Harborside Board could opt-out and provide their own (or perhaps they can't), or the Board could pay a negotiated rate with Atlantis for the service for every unit at Harborside. For some reason they don't do it. My guess is that the owners haven't asked their Board to do so. And I'd guess that since visitors to Harborside pay for so many other costs while there that it's just not a common request.
 
"I bought a dlink wireless router and paid $80 for seven days of access. We are able to connect a laptop, two iPads, two iPhones and an iPod at the wifi, all without problems, to the same router, for the flat fee of $80."

Sorry you don't get my point that anything can be overdone - to the disadvantage of everyone else. ... eom

I got it. I replied correctly that your belief that using "a laptop, two iPads, two iPhones and an iPod" was too much is incorrect. You have yet to convince me otherwise.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that in addition to my "laptop, iPad, iPhone and Kindle" that I take with to timeshares I also now bring with an Apple TV. There's no reason we should expect less Internet access while at "our" vacation home than we have at our home. And, it should be provided at a reasonable cost (or included, as at all but Harborside). It's not like we spend the entire day and night using the Internet while at these resorts...
 
We did not go to the beach today because we did the Powerboat Adventures tour, and tomorrow we are doing a dolphin swim at the Blue Lagoon, so our last and only day at the beach will be Thursday, I will post an update then.

Truthfully there were 100 people in the water at the Cove beach the morning my daughter got the sting, and she was the only one I saw that got stung. Another girl approached us when she saw my daughter was stung, and said she had been stung two days before as well. But it didn't seem to happen often. I will post an update after Thursday!

Thanks Ada. I really appreciate it.:)

As for the internet comments, as an owner I really wish they would add it to our maintenance fees. Makes it easier for everyone; and if necessary, use the income to upgrade the quality of the service. This way, everyone wins.

Anita
 
Hey....off the topic....how was the powerboat excursion? We are trying to figure out which boat excursions we want to do.

Any advice?
 
Powerboat adventures is the best. Worth the price! Search TUG and you'll see lots of positive comments about it.
 
The powerboat trip was the best adventure trip we ever did. The water was like nothing I have ever seen (forget the Atlantis beach, the water in the Exuma cays is unbelievable). Swimming in the same water with those rays and sharks was crazy and fun, the kids loved it. And the ride itself was a great thrill. I will share photos when we get home.
 
Jellyfish update - they are still here, the warning signs are at the beach and I saw a kid who had just gotten stung. However, there are many folks in the water, despite the sign, and the stings are occasional and random. But still probably a better idea to enjoy the pools and rides for the kids!
 
No, the water in the Exuma Cays was amazing, full of sting rays, sharks, and tropical colorful fish. By the time we got ready to leave, we had gotten comfortable sitting in the shallow crystal clear water and having the rays come rub by our feet! No jellyfish! And the entire group went snorkeling with the sharks following along. I assume they are some type of friendly sharks ;)
 
From the July 9 Chicago Tribune on recent changes in Internet data use:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-data-20110709,0,6952635.story

... eom

I'm not sure who you use for your home network, but I can tell you all the various providers I have used over the years have allowed me to connect an unlimited number of devices at home. In fact at home I have at least 10 internet enabled devices connected to my router. SHOCK! HORROR! Please don't tell my ISP. Explain to me why this should be different at a timeshare? Explain to me how the internet provided at a timeshare is anything like that provided by Mobile Phone operators (where there is a VAST network over substantial territory that must be deployed). Certainly a hotel is more analogous to a home than it is to a mobile phone network.

...still not sure how mobile phone networks relate to the OP.
 
...still not sure how mobile phone networks relate to the OP.

Exactly. Jim just doesn't get it. While the industry may want to impose bandwidth limitations on fixed network access, it's a huge uphill battle - just look at cable trying to prioritize traffic and the reaction over the last year or two. Mobile access is a completely different beast.
 
When you connect the phone to the Atlantis Ethernet via a wireless router, you use the Atlantis ISP. And, you are not charged by the phone's ISP for any download charges. When you are out of the country, there is an International roaming download charge imposed by each country. The costs differ by country and they are all higher than the download service would cost if the phone were used in the US. The package you buy in the US is usually only for US downloads. So, BTW, is the calling package which is only for US calls.

So, using your phone for calls and downloads in the Bahamas is an expensive proposition. Connecting a couple of phones via a wireless modem through the Atlantis Ethernet allows a person to avoid any download charges. It also allows kids (and adults) to set their phone to download things like Netflix movies, games and music while they are sleeping or at any time at all. Then you add in the iPads, Kindles and computers. One poster said she had 6 devices attached to the wireless modem in her unit.

I have not been saying that all devices are actually used at once all the time. I am saying that as the number of devices hooked up to the Atlantis Ethernet system by wireless routers increases, it will increase the number of minutes you will have concurrent users on the system and the numbers of concurrent users. The more concurrent users; the more stress on the system (the highway is only so wide). The more stress on the system (Harborside or anywhere else) by data hogs, the more the system will work imperfectly. And, because the system will work imperfectly for all guests, the owners will be asked to pay to revamp the system to fulfill the wishes of the data hogs.

In the article I linked, Verison is going after data hogs by setting up a tiered price system based on download sizes. Unlimited downloads may be becoming a thing of the past.

Hope this helps you understand. ... eom
 
When you connect the phone to the Atlantis Ethernet via a wireless router, you use the Atlantis ISP. And, you are not charged by the phone's ISP for any download charges. When you are out of the country, there is an International roaming download charge imposed by each country. The costs differ by country and they are all higher than the download service would cost if the phone were used in the US. The package you buy in the US is usually only for US downloads. So, BTW, is the calling package which is only for US calls.

So, using your phone for calls and downloads in the Bahamas is an expensive proposition. Connecting a couple of phones via a wireless modem through the Atlantis Ethernet allows a person to avoid any download charges. It also allows kids (and adults) to set their phone to download things like Netflix movies, games and music while they are sleeping or at any time at all. Then you add in the iPads, Kindles and computers. One poster said she had 6 devices attached to the wireless modem in her unit.

I have not been saying that all devices are actually used at once all the time. I am saying that as the number of devices hooked up to the Atlantis Ethernet system by wireless routers increases, it will increase the number of minutes you will have concurrent users on the system and the numbers of concurrent users. The more concurrent users; the more stress on the system (the highway is only so wide). The more stress on the system (Harborside or anywhere else) by data hogs, the more the system will work imperfectly. And, because the system will work imperfectly for all guests, the owners will be asked to pay to revamp the system to fulfill the wishes of the data hogs.

In the article I linked, Verison is going after data hogs by setting up a tiered price system based on download sizes. Unlimited downloads may be becoming a thing of the past.

Hope this helps you understand. ... eom

Jarta,

All this illustrates is that you don't really understand the technology or the issues involved. I don't mean that as a dig at you, but your explanation above really doesn't address any of the specific issues involved in running a network at a fixed location. While certainly there is some overlap in the technology and the issues, your lack of attention to the nuanced differences really fail to make your illustration very helpful.

1) What Ada did in no way burdens the hard infrastructure (wired or wireless) provided at the resort as she used a SINGLE wired connection to connect to her OWN provided wireless equipment. While she connected 6 devices, the resort saw all those devices as one and only had to service one (the router she installed). You're completely incorrect in your assertion that the way in which she connected her devices in any way burdens the internal infrastructure at the resort and would result in a push to upgrade. As I mentioned in a previous post, by bringing her OWN wireless router, Ada has assumed the cost of the infrastructure required to connect multiple devices.

2) The only increased burden Ada may have imposed on the system relates to the overall internet bandwidth the resort purchases for all internet users to share. However, as I have pointed out, very simple procedures are available to the resort to limit the bandwidth consumed by the one connection Ada utilized. These "Quality of Service" settings are available on the $70 router that I use at home, so it's not something that would be cost prohibitive for the resort to deploy (and I am confident their existing infrastructure likely has these capabilities). Bottom line, is the resort can address this burden should it really become an issue. Furthermore, addressing it in this way allows guest to connect their 6 or 10 or 100 devices and those devices will share the limited bandwidth assigned to the unit. In other words, the guest can decide how much to burden their allocated bandwidth.

3) You completely fail to explain how a fixed location set up (such as at a personal residence or Harborside) is sufficiently analogous to a mobile system (such as that of Verizon) to make the articles you have posted valuable to the conversation. Verizon must deal with substantial numbers of users across a vast geography making the problem considerably more complex. Further, you fail to consider the real crux of the issue is with the amount of bandwidth being consumed by certain types of activities. In fact it is SINGLE devices used to download large amounts of data that are causing the problems on Verizon's network. The takeaway is that what really matters is not the NUMBER of devices on the network that Verizon is addressing with this move, but rather the type of activity. Ada could consume just as much data with a single device as should could with six if she chose to undertake media streaming or heavy downloading on that single device.

4) Regardless, nothing in your posts provides any normative evaluation of the situation. Given the costs imposed to use internet at Harborside, I assert the Resort SHOULD provide sufficient bandwidth to connect multiple devices. The nature of the resort as a fixed location justifies it, the nature of the resort as a vacation home alternative justifies it, the number of people the units are designed to accommodate justifies it, and the amount of money currently charged justifies it (although, admittedly, I don't know a lot about the internet market in the Bahamas). The bottom line is that for $80 a week, I feel completely justified in expecting the resort to provide sufficient bandwidth for me to connect AT LEAST six devices from a unit.
 
The overburdening of the system talk is complete nonsense anyway - checking email and using Skype for a few phone calls does not suck the life out of any system. Nobody goes to Atlantis to sit in a circle gathered around a router plugged in the wall downloading movies. Or maybe Jarta does.
 
Jellyfish update - they are still here, the warning signs are at the beach and I saw a kid who had just gotten stung. However, there are many folks in the water, despite the sign, and the stings are occasional and random. But still probably a better idea to enjoy the pools and rides for the kids!

Thanks for the update Ada. I really appreciate it. (If the signs are still up when I get there next week, I am going to just let my daughter play on the beach only). I hope you had a great time.

Anita
 
Bringing my Airport Express with with me to Harborside and wish to connect my IPhone, IPad and Laptop. I plan to connect the AE and then login and sign up for the weekly plan. Do I select the bridge setting or Share a single Internet connection? If I select the bridge, I have read that the hotel may see each device as a seperate device and could charge for each. Any help would be appreciated.
 
Bringing my Airport Express with with me to Harborside and wish to connect my IPhone, IPad and Laptop. I plan to connect the AE and then login and sign up for the weekly plan. Do I select the bridge setting or Share a single Internet connection? If I select the bridge, I have read that the hotel may see each device as a seperate device and could charge for each. Any help would be appreciated.

You are correct. You want to share a single Internet connection. Also, be sure to configure your airport prior to purchasing the Internet time and purchase only via your own wireless network.
 
You are correct. You want to share a single Internet connection. Also, be sure to configure your airport prior to purchasing the Internet time and purchase only via your own wireless network.

Thank you. We arrive today. Will give it a try.
 
internet question

hubby has an iPad that uses the internet connection tethered from his phone. is this doable? or will that then cause roaming charges, even though its data?
 
hubby has an iPad that uses the internet connection tethered from his phone. is this doable? or will that then cause roaming charges, even though its data?

Assuming you mean at Harborside, you will find a large charge from AT&T (or Verizon) for using data outside the USA. Data is even more expensive than voice when abroad.

This is exactly why I always suggest bringing your own wireless access point, so you can use all your devices without paying for each (when you may only need small amounts of data on your phone, for instance).
 
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