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Anyone making 'sell everything' market moves?

Last week on Monday we sold most of our stock. I haven't even consider owning a mutual fund since 2006 or so. The reason we sold were the market indicators were looking bad. The DJT is way off. Trucking and exports are way off.


http://www.dat.com/resources/trendlines

http://wolfstreet.com/2015/08/13/us...rts-fall-off-chart-cass-inttra-ocean-freight/

Many stocks were and are nearing the death cross. The dow has accomplished this death cross last week Tuesday and foreign markets have been tanking.

For us it made sense to bail out and pursue other investments. We have been looking for something for a while and decided on a 27 kw solar system that provides a 25%+ roi and with incentives is paid off in 4 years. This also comes with a 30% federal tax credit.

Also, this year, long term capital gains are capped at 15%.

Bill

Solar is a fantastic investment. I am getting better than 30 percent return in Hawaii and have seen lots of people doing better than that. I just can't believe how many people don't buy solar. I was a consultant for solar for two years and told all my neighbors about it. Only about 20 percent of them got it and the rest of them never understood the investment opportunity. Most roofs around my house are still empty today.

The point is, investments should be broad based in different areas, Real estate, stocks, solar or anything else that saves money. Some people just go to cash or their local bank and never invest.
 
Yes the timeframe of needing the money makes a big difference to invest in. I am hoping my investment in stocks is for the short term. I prefer to invest in other assets.

I own part of a teak tree company which has a very long term outlook. No one take this as advice to do the same as there are some very bad investments in this arena. I am interested in rental properties and raw land but it takes a long time to get the capital together. That is where stocks come in. Very easy to get in and out.

Stocks are easy but I do think people would be better off investing in other assets. Corporations have a lot of overhead and insider trading. But the mindset is stocks and bonds as a lot of people are supported by it.

My next house will have solar.

If you have 20 years left to work, dollar cost average works great. When you get close to retirement, the priority should be on safe investments and not take another loss like the market did in 2008. A good timing tool or program is Sector Surfer. It will send an email to you when to go to cash. But the market might already be down 20 percent when you get that. The advantage is you avoid going down 50 percent and it will tell you when it is time to buy back in. This worked great in 2008. It also sent a signal in 2011 that didn't help anyone because the market only went down 20 percent and a couple months later started back up. At that time, another email was sent telling everyone to buy. Here is a video and link to the home page if interested. Cost about $10 per month.

http://youtu.be/8Q9fspvOhSc

http://www.sumgrowth.com/default.aspx
 
Yes the timeframe of needing the money makes a big difference to invest in. I am hoping my investment in stocks is for the short term. I prefer to invest in other assets.

I own part of a teak tree company which has a very long term outlook. No one take this as advice to do the same as there are some very bad investments in this arena. I am interested in rental properties and raw land but it takes a long time to get the capital together. That is where stocks come in. Very easy to get in and out.

Stocks are easy but I do think people would be better off investing in other assets. Corporations have a lot of overhead and insider trading. But the mindset is stocks and bonds as a lot of people are supported by it.

My next house will have solar.

Diversity is good, along with the general caution of invest only in what you understand, beware speculative businesses (not necessarily Avoid, just perform your due diligence). Indeed, stocks are very easy to buy without heavy minimums nor large broker fees, not too difficult to buy bonds but bond funds very easy to buy. For treasuries, treasurydirect.gov lets you cut out middleman.

I personally want no part of real estate beyond my home (I'm not suited to it), so I buy REITs and let someone else be front lines. I only have them in retirement accounts, bringing up another point of hold your assets in the correct type of account. For example, tax exempt munis don't belong in your tax shelters, but TIPS do. Stocks can go anywhere, just understand taxation of divs and gains/losses, a gentle reminder for anything you own!

One REIT I like, Realty Income Corp (ticker O) is "the monthly dividend company" and I happen to be partial to getting paid as frequently as possible.

As a previous poster said, I do not want to discourage anyone from their well-thought-out-plan. Mine is to stay the course with quality div paying stocks until the end of life and let my heirs continue to benefit from quarterly payments. I'll chuck the dayjob when monthly divs are higher than paycheck (possibly 7 years, more like 10 based on conservative projections).

I expect that sounds way too risky to most folks but it is entirely suitable to me and keeps market watching, agonizing decisions and fees to a minimum. I own over 70 companies at this point, some held for over 20 years. Probably they won't all last my lifetime but I expect that and would sell a company whose earnings fail to continue increasing. It is less work to own an ETF but less profitable and less control. Wanting control, I'll put the time and effort in to be able to project my quarterly income per company and own only the companies I want to own. I'm buy and hold (so far) but that does include monitoring.

I am not one that will depart stocks before/at/in retirement although I will hold more cash starting one year before retirement.

I would recommend reading Lowell Miller's The Single Best Investment for anyone interested in owning stocks. It is an easy read with great concepts and I believe first appeared in the late 90s. free pdf: http://www.mhinvest.com/files/pdf/SBI_Single_Best_Investment_Miller.pdf
 
I've owned 100 shares in Carnival for about six years or so. Bought them at 29. I bought them partly cause of the benefits. They were only paying 25 cents a quarter in dividends (now 35 cents), BUT they had great stockholder benefits, available on Carnival, Princess, Holland America, Costa, Cunard, and other related Carnival brands around the world. If I book a 7 day cruise, I get $100. shipboard credit as a stockholder. If I book a 14 day cruise, it goes up to $250. I manage to get at least a long and a weekly cruise most years, so that's a pretty good benefit.

The stock opened over 49 today. Its 52 week high, a couple months ago, was 54. I feel like I'm still in good position.

Fern
 
I used to own BA for flight discounts. Now IAG

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The only individual stock I own is P&G. It started as an inheritance from my grandfather many, many years ago. Through the Dividend Reivestment Program, stock splits, dollar cost averaging and growth it has grown to a nice chunk of change for my grandkids.

The rest of my investments are in diversified low cost mutual stock and bond funds.

Cheers
 
The death cross pattern has shown up with many dow components. The dow has had the death cross this year when the 50 day moving average crossed the 100 day moving average , then again when the 50 day moving average crossed the 200 day moving average and it looks like the 50 day moving average will cross the 300 day moving average very soon.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/investo...o-and-verizon-suffering-from-the-death-cross/

Septembers have had more than its shares of market drops because portfolio of managers cleaning up their investments after labor day.

Bill
 
I've owned 100 shares in Carnival for about six years or so. Bought them at 29. I bought them partly cause of the benefits. They were only paying 25 cents a quarter in dividends (now 35 cents), BUT they had great stockholder benefits, available on Carnival, Princess, Holland America, Costa, Cunard, and other related Carnival brands around the world. If I book a 7 day cruise, I get $100. shipboard credit as a stockholder. If I book a 14 day cruise, it goes up to $250. I manage to get at least a long and a weekly cruise most years, so that's a pretty good benefit.

I used to own BA for flight discounts.

Any other stocks with good stockholder benefits? I've seen old lists, but it seems that most stockholder perks have been removed for most companies.
 
Got this from USB the other day:

"China's growth model is clearly transitioning
away from infrastructure spending and more towards
consumer spending and services. This shift is proving to be
bumpy but it needn't derail the US expansion. US exports to
China are less than 1% of GDP. As a reminder, the US
economy is largely driven by US consumer spending, which
remains on solid footing (the job market continues to grow,
consumer balance sheets are in the best shape in years, and
lower gasoline prices are a positive).
• Markets will likely remain choppy until there is more evidence
that China will avoid a "hard landing" and the US expansion
remains on track."
 
With the current stock market dive, is anybody panicking? I am positioned pretty defensively, but still it's unnerving to see the precipitous decline. I really don't want to sit and watch another 2007-style drop in assets, waiting for it to reverse direction.

Jim
Look at market cap to gdp and shiller pe ratio. .also look at amount of margin in market.

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Another good example this afternoon of how you can get hurt with 'stop loss orders'! The Fed held firm on rates at the 2 pm announcement.....but traders with their finger on the 'sell button' took US indices down sharply just as the announcement was made for markets to fully rebound within a few minutes. Many investors with fairly tight stops would have been whipsawed out! I do use stop losses on specific stocks or rare occasions, and fortunately I wasn't stopped out of anything today!
Have a look at the charts for the Dow and S & P for today's trading. One image says it all!
Just a word to the wise!
 
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For what it's worth: Raymond James is bullish on world markets over the next 20 years. They believe that demand for consumer goods in China, India and Brazil will put large multinationals in the drivers' seat over the long-haul.

Note: I am not affiliated with Raymond James... Just heard an employee say it.

I remain 55% in bonds, as I am near retirement and my tolerance for turbulence is not what it used to be.
 
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