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Any tips or hacks booking into high demand properties?

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Those who have been using MVC a long time, any tips and tricks on getting into high demand locations?
Does marriott release inventory midnight at first day of the month?
I am already able to book 13 months out but cannot see any openings for place like Ritz St Thomas or Ritz Aspen.
 
The only hint I know is to set up an ongoing search and try to reserve at the first moment you are eligible. But if owners are booking all available vacancies you are basically sunk.
 
Those who have been using MVC a long time, any tips and tricks on getting into high demand locations?
Does marriott release inventory midnight at first day of the month?
I am already able to book 13 months out but cannot see any openings for place like Ritz St Thomas or Ritz Aspen.
How are you trying to book? Weeks, Abound, trade in II?
 
Those who have been using MVC a long time, any tips and tricks on getting into high demand locations?
Does marriott release inventory midnight at first day of the month?
I am already able to book 13 months out but cannot see any openings for place like Ritz St Thomas or Ritz Aspen.
Those two properties have very little, if any, inventory owned by the points trust. So to be able to book using Abound points you'd have to have owners at those resorts elect to put their weeks into Abound for a specific year in return for Abound points. They may not necessarily do so 13 months out. 13 month availability is mostly inventory owned by the trust rather than by individual owners.
 
Always log on to your account and go to resources and then "When can I reserve" tool to check when the inventory release date is. The dates can vary with public holidays.
 
I suspect Aspen is a unicorn. I have tried and failed. My best guess is the only way to get in there is last minute and it is rare. I have found Ritz St Thomas several times, it seems to be a little easier.
 
That's been my experience as well...Ritz-Vail is a ton easier to get into.
The points trust owns a lot of inventory at the Ritz in Vail, same for the one in San Francisco, so they are much easier to book than Aspen, where they don't. I've stayed at both the Vail and San Francisco properties using Abound points, both booked less than 3 months in advance. I have another stay in Vail booked for next summer, that one was booked about 11 months in advance.
 
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Well sadly, you were sold a dream that is not very achievable. Sales probably said you just choose where you want to go, and book your trip. That points are flexible and you are not stuck at one place. This is not true. As others note above it is next to impossible to book these resorts, especially in high season.
 
Well sadly, you were sold a dream that is not very achievable. Sales probably said you just choose where you want to go, and book your trip. That points are flexible and you are not stuck at one place. This is not true. As others note above it is next to impossible to book these resorts, especially in high season.
Well it is established that Sales say whatever they think can land the deal. I don't believe a word they say. Just trying to maximize my ROI on ownership by getting the most expensive resorts. In the end, it is what it is. I will check out the Ritz in Vail or Tahoe as i never had a chance to stay in any Ritz (cash too much $, also too much bonvoy points).

thanks everyone for responses. Appreciate it
 
Well it is established that Sales say whatever they think can land the deal. I don't believe a word they say. Just trying to maximize my ROI on ownership by getting the most expensive resorts. In the end, it is what it is. I will check out the Ritz in Vail or Tahoe as i never had a chance to stay in any Ritz (cash too much $, also too much bonvoy points).

thanks everyone for responses. Appreciate it
True. Too bad they got you before you realized this. You should look to maximize your ownership by utilizing great resorts that are not Ritz. Plenty of amazing ski destinations, that will still be expensive using your Abound points, that you can score. Add $15 onto the tens of thousands you gave to MVC and become a member here and you can get get a lot more info about availability.
 
Well it is established that Sales say whatever they think can land the deal. I don't believe a word they say. Just trying to maximize my ROI on ownership by getting the most expensive resorts. In the end, it is what it is. I will check out the Ritz in Vail or Tahoe as i never had a chance to stay in any Ritz (cash too much $, also too much bonvoy points).

thanks everyone for responses. Appreciate it
As an example of availability, if you can swing it there are 3 nights available in a 3BR at Ritz Vail checking in on Oct 5.
 
Well it is established that Sales say whatever they think can land the deal. I don't believe a word they say. Just trying to maximize my ROI on ownership by getting the most expensive resorts. In the end, it is what it is. I will check out the Ritz in Vail or Tahoe as i never had a chance to stay in any Ritz (cash too much $, also too much bonvoy points).

thanks everyone for responses. Appreciate it
ROI isn’t just getting all the glitz you can reserve. It’s about going to nice places you actually want to go. Don’t let the glitz drive the vacation.

There’s just so much glitz I can absorb. Who actually needs Versailles? 😂
 
ROI isn’t just getting all the glitz you can reserve. It’s about going to nice places you actually want to go. Don’t let the glitz drive the vacation.

There’s just so much glitz I can absorb. Who actually needs Versailles? 😂
This is very true. Especially if you also want more vacation time in resorts. You might get two or three weeks (maybe more if you really strategize season, days of the week and location) elsewhere that you still enjoy greatly, for the same number of points you'd spend for a single stay at one of the Ritz properties. With that being said, I have enjoyed both splurging at Ritz properties and using them at "mere mortal" properties that were still very nice for a higher number of vacation days.
 
Those who have been using MVC a long time, any tips and tricks on getting into high demand locations?
Does marriott release inventory midnight at first day of the month?
I am already able to book 13 months out but cannot see any openings for place like Ritz St Thomas or Ritz Aspen.

We fought this when the points program was initiated in 2010 and since. My solution to this for better resorts is to guarantee your reservation prospect by owning a week in the season you want. We struggled with points reservations for OceanWatch for multiple units for our family reunions. So, we solved the problem by buying 6 OceanWatch, Platinum season weeks with the view we wanted for under $70,000. We are now assured of getting our reservations in the high demand summer season 13 months out. Incidentally, $70,000 is about what one would pay for enough points to get 1 high season week at OceanWatch.

One must adjust their thinking away from high expectations using the points system. Sure, off season and less demanded units are easy to get using points - but who wants that from a supposed premium program. MVC tries to explain this away by blaming those of us who own the weeks they want to shore up the points program.
 
We fought this when the points program was initiated in 2010 and since. My solution to this for better resorts is to guarantee your reservation prospect by owning a week in the season you want. We struggled with points reservations for OceanWatch for multiple units for our family reunions. So, we solved the problem by buying 6 OceanWatch, Platinum season weeks with the view we wanted for under $70,000. We are now assured of getting our reservations in the high demand summer season 13 months out. Incidentally, $70,000 is about what one would pay for enough points to get 1 high season week at OceanWatch.

One must adjust their thinking away from high expectations using the points system. Sure, off season and less demanded units are easy to get using points - but who wants that from a supposed premium program. MVC tries to explain this away by blaming those of us who own the weeks they want to shore up the points program.
While it works for other prime MVC resorts, your approach won't work for one of the OP's stated goals: staying at Ritz properties. The Ritz properties don't have floating or fixed single weeks like your typical MVC resorts, only fractional ownership consisting of multiple weeks, such as quarter shares consisting of 13 weeks (there are some packages consisting of fewer weeks, but still no single or even dual weeks), which rotate every year so every owner in a given unit gets a guaranteed reservation every so many years for the prime weeks. And unlike the fractionals at Marriott Grand Residence at Lake Tahoe, the Ritz resorts cannot be exchanged into using II, though if one has access to ThirdHome that is a possibility.
 
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While it works for other prime MVC resorts, your approach won't work for one of the OP's stated goals: staying at Ritz properties. The Ritz properties don't have floating or fixed single weeks like your typical MVC resorts, only fractional ownership consisting of multiple weeks, such as quarter shares consisting of 13 weeks (there are some packages consisting of fewer weeks, but still no single or even dual weeks), which rotate every year so every owner in a given unit gets a guaranteed reservation every so many years for the prime weeks. And unlike the fractionals at Marriott Grand Residence at Lake Tahoe, the Ritz resorts cannot be exchanged into using II, though if one has access to ThirdHome that is a possibility.
 
Sponger76 - Good point as I don't know beans about this resort. So, I count as options the following and ask that you advise any that have any potential in helping this fellow get his reservations. Here is my list: (1) Buy a week with it's limitations and take your chances on using it. (2) Acquire a reservation using points. (3) Rent from an owner that has the desired reservation. (4) Rent though MVC. (5) Use cash to rent an equivalent unit in the area.

Are there other options? Is this just a futile pursuit?

I'm sure glad I didn't buy at these resorts.
 
(1) Buy a week with it's limitations and take your chances on using it.
Buying a week at any other resort won't help as he can't exchange in via II, or within MVC without electing points and using those to book there. And again, you can't buy just a week at a Ritz Carlton, he'd have to buy a fractional interest, which is VERY expensive both in terms of purchase price, even resale, and MFs. For MFs, not only are you paying for multiple weeks, you are paying for multiple weeks that come with the cost to maintain Ritz Carlton brand standards, both in physical quality of the buildings/units/furnishings, and service levels, which really are very different from your normal timeshare, even at top tier brands in the timeshare industry like Marriott or Hilton. And even if you own a fractional, you don't just reserve the specific week you want, each year you are automatically reserved for the weeks on your rotation for that year. I do understand that there is an internal Ritz exchange system, but it is not quite as robust and flexible as what we are used to via our normal timeshare systems and/or II, as there are far fewer resorts and, especially for prime weeks, far less likelihood of other owners relinquishing those weeks when it's finally their turn to have them.
(2) Acquire a reservation using points.
This is what I do (using elected points, I don't own any Abound trust points), and what the OP is trying to do. But again, for the Ritz locations that don't have much/any inventory in the trust, it is extremely difficult to book even for non-prime weeks. Owners are less likely to elect to put their weeks into Abound unless it's a truly undesirable time, as they can get better bang for their buck by renting out or exchanging in ThirdHome for other luxury properties.
(3) Rent from an owner that has the desired reservation.
A little less difficult than using points at non-trust properties, but like option 1, VERY expensive most of the time. As in, "typically much more expensive than MFs for the underlying trust points to make an equivalent booking in Abound would be" expensive.
(4) Rent though MVC.
Not sure what you mean by rent through MVC, unless you actually mean the non-timeshare website run by the hotel company (marriott.com). If that is what you meant, also extremely expensive. As the OP mentions in post #13, they can't or don't want to spend the kind of money for the normal ways of booking at a Ritz Carlton.
(5) Use cash to rent an equivalent unit in the area.
Extremely unlikely to find an equivalent (we're talking Ritz Carlton here, which means both luxury accommodations and luxury service to go along with it) that wouldn't also be prohibitively expensive.



Overall, as nice as those stays are most people aren't going to find it worth the cost (or can't afford it), either to own a fractional interest or in the Abound points it takes to stay at those properties. For the most part, I'd rather have multiple or longer stays elsewhere. But every once in a while I do find it nice to treat my family to something a little different and "extra." If you do have the opportunity, I recommend checking one of those properties out even if it's just once. It's a very nice experience, even if you then decide it's not worth the cost in points to stay there again in the future. It's especially nice for special occasions. For my family it's been short stays for an anniversary and for birthdays. The ones I've had so far have been within the period where I got a points discount for being close in. But because my daughter requested it for her 21st birthday, I booked way ahead for Ritz in Vail for next year. After that one, I probably won't do it again unless I see something at the Ritz Aspen or Ritz Tahoe during a time where I can get there on short notice, just because I'm curious to check out those locations for a couple of nights.
 
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After a lot of searching i was able to book Ritz St Thomas March 2026. 5 nights for 4100 abound points.
Expedia cash rate (hotel side is best i can compare right now) is $8000. Pretty good value in my book.
Hopefully Ritz Aspen unicorn will show up one day. For now i am happy.
 
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