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My son is joining his high school bowling team. I know nothing about bowling other than playing recreationally maybe 2x per year.

He seems committed and has made the team. I am wondering what equipment we should buy vs. using the facility’s equipment.

Shoes? If so, do RH/LH make a big difference vs. universal?

Ball? How do you determine what weight?

Thanks for any insight!
 
Send a message to Timeshare Von. She is deeply into bowling alleys, equipment, and the history of the whole sport. She probably knows more than anybody about what's important, and what isn't. And I'd wager if she doesn't know, she'll know who does.

Good luck to your son. It's a great sport.

Dave
 
Let him use the house equipment for a while before investing in stuff he may not need. He also needs to learn about ball handling and feel so that if he ends up getting a custom fit ball he knows what it should feel like. Once you know he's serious, all he needs is a ball, shoes, and a bag. The school should tell him the weight, but I would guess in high school they use 16#. The 12 and 14's are for the little kids.
 
It would help if we knew a bit more here - is your son just beginning the sport, or has he played for awhile? I am assuming from your OP that your son does NOT have his own ball. On bowling balls, you can spend a lot - an awful lot - quickly. When I bowled a lot, I usually carried four balls (each with a slightly different setup for various lane conditions).

Trust me, this is a sport where you can spend as much as you want - because it is pricey. I will offer one different perspective on equipment - if he is serious, getting your own equipment sooner than later is best. Shoes especially. When I last bowled, Linds were the go to brand because they were custom built - you literally put your foot on a tracing paper and drew an outline of your foot. The shoes were custom built to your foot and thus fit was not a problem. They were expensive (about $100) when I bought them in the 80's. But they lasted me almost two decades and were well worth the price.

Obviously, Linds may not be the brand anymore (I gave up the game in the mid 90's - and the shoes were still going strong) but solid footwear is very important in bowling.

You mention your son is on a high school bowling team - another fact that would help us guide you are the number of different locations at which the team will participate. Different house, different lane conditions mean different balls will tend to perform better.

But I am really getting ahead of things here. I'll assume he is just a bit past a starting bowler. Like any sport, getting better will take practice - and that can be expensive too. As soon as is practical, I would get your son into his own ball and shoes. Talk to the proprietor at the lanes at which most of his bowling will occur. The proprietor will be the best (first) source of information on what to purchase. If your son is just starting out, a good proprietor should direct him toward some decent options in shoes and ball. Neither of these should be anywhere near the most expensive because what your son needs most is repeated experience with the same equipment. As his game develops, his equipment needs will evolve.
 
Thanks all! He is a complete beginner.
Decently strong and athletic. No bowling instruction prior to tryouts (which were 6 practices with warmups and 3 games).

I’m willing to get decent shoes, but realistically he is still growing and will only get one season out of them.

I just hate to drop the money in a ball to find that it’s not the right one. (I thought equipment baseball was expensive! I had serious bowling ball sticker shock.)
 
I'm a lefty, so I had to get my own ball. The lane shoes are universal, whereas purchased shoes will have a different left and right sole.

I wouldn't discount a lighter ball. If you start throwing a hook with a fingertip grip, you may not want a big behemoth. If you bowl league (I started at 13) you have to bowl three games in a row. That 16#'er got pretty heavy by the last frames of the third line. Bowling is more a game of control than it is power.
 
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Thanks all! He is a complete beginner.
Decently strong and athletic. No bowling instruction prior to tryouts (which were 6 practices with warmups and 3 games).

I’m willing to get decent shoes, but realistically he is still growing and will only get one season out of them.

I just hate to drop the money in a ball to find that it’s not the right one. (I thought equipment baseball was expensive! I had serious bowling ball sticker shock.)

So here are (admittedly very old) bowling balls that were fully tricked out back in my day.
Both of these are Ebonite balls - like just about every other sport, one tends to gravitate toward a specific equipment vendor or two.
The ball on the left is a urethane based ball and on most oil patterns, this ball would not hook as much as the ball on the right.
The ball on the right is a resin based ball and it would hook more than the urethane based ball.
The setup (the drilling pattern - where the finger and thumb holes are located on the ball) is both similar and different on both balls.
The finger holes have grip inserts in them to allow for a bit more lift on the ball (the idea being that a slightly more grippable surface provides a bit more lift - which is good).
The thumb holes also have inserts but they are slicker than the finger holes to allow for easier release off the thumb.
See the green dot on the resin ball? That is an indicator of where the weight block is located in this ball. Weight blocks in bowling balls are different shapes and locations. Where one drills the finger and thumb holes is going to remove weight from the ball so different rolling effects (hook more, hook less, hook early, hook late) can be achieved by the placement of the finger holes.

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I should add the two balls shown above are a fingertip grip setup for my hand. Most (but likely not all) house balls (found on the rack at your local bowling center) are likely set up for a conventional grip.

Conventional grip - fingers inserted to the 2nd knuckle.
Fingertip grip - fingers inserted to the 1st knuckle.

Throwing fingertip is harder at first for newer bowlers but you get much more lift on the ball (lift is good - have I mentioned that?). You want to get to a fingertip set up ASAP. IT WILL BE A STRUGGLE AT FIRST - SO PRACTICE IS NEEDED! Bowlers do NOT have to throw fingertip BTW.

That is a LOT to take in isn't it - and it only gets more involved from there as considerations such as axis weighting can be considered.

For your son, that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the road.

Remember earlier I said the best thing for a beginning bowler is to get a lot of reps with the same equipment? That is still my advice because developing good mechanics is so fundamentally important in bowling. It sounds like such a simple thing, but having the same approach - time after time - is the foundation a game is built on. That is the basis on which I suggest your son get shoes (first), go practice a few games, then get ONE ball fitted to his hand by someone who knows what they are doing (and they will be found in a bowling center - likely but not always the proprietor). If you suspect your son may do this for a year or two, and then it might fade from his interest a lower cost pair of shoes and one ball that fits him can last a very long time.

Best of luck with this!
 
@mentalbreak Hello, my son is on a high school bowling team and has been bowling for around 5 years. There is merit on buying a straight ball now as if he goes to a fingertip, he can always use it for spares. As far as what ball to get, his initial ball can be a fairly inexpensive poly one. My younger son loves his Storm Ice poly ball. You can get it for around $65 on Amazon and take it to your local bowling center to get it drilled, around $30. As he learns the mechanics of bowling, the coach may switch him to a fingertip curve ball as he learns how to approach and release. Those can be more expensive.

If he wants to continue bowling, find a local bowling alley that has youth leagues. The place my two boys go to give free coaching sessions and we even got free equipment (shoes, balls) that other people in the league have donated when their kids out grew them. They have 40 lanes and they are all filled every Saturday morning with kids. My older son (15) has around a 160 average and it’s all because of the coaching he got at the center. My younger son (9) has an 80 average, and he has just taken a big jump and his average will be climbing even higher after his last few games in the league.

As far as the meets, if they are the same as ours, they will bowl two baker’s games and two regular games. The bakers games are where the five bowlers each take turns on the frames. So the first bowler will bowl the first and the sixth frames, the second bowler will bowl the second and seven frames and so on. There should be no handicap for the baker’s games. Then they will bowl two regular games where each bowler bowls a full ten frame game and ten scores are added up. A handicap will be used for those games. Five points are awarded each meet. One for each bakers game, one each for the full games and a point for the highest total.

Above all, listen to the person/people who will be coaching them. If they want you to get a fingertip ball, do it. If they want a straight ball, do it. If they say use house balls for a couple, that’s what you do. I was/am in the same boat as you. I’m not a bowler, but I support my sons in their endeavor. It has been great for them as they are learning the virtue of practice and patience, which are both awesome life lessons.
 
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Thank you to Dave for giving me a head's up on this thread. I've admittedly not been very active here on TUG for a few weeks/months.

Bowling is a great sport, congrats on your son making the HS team! Every state's HS bowling team program is a little different. For some, it's recognized as a varsity letter sport, affiliated with the state's HS athletic association (Iowa & Illinois in the Midwest as an example). For those programs, it may be more competitive and treated like other sports at the school . . . like football, field hockey, soccer, etc. For us in Wisconsin, we are not affiliated or recognized by WIAA, so for many of our HS teams it is more of a social club . . . not unlike any other youth league.

I mention this because what type of school program your son is involved in, may help you to determine his equipment needs. If it is social and more recreational as a club activity, I would say house shoes & bowling ball(s) for now are probably good enough as a beginner. However, if he's aspiring to become more skilled and is truly committed to the sport . . . I would encourage you to discuss it with his bowling team coach or your center proprietor or pro shop operator.

Others have also give good insight in this thread. Bowling equipment can be VERY expensive . . . so much so I worry about it being a barrier to long-term enjoying of the game.

On the debate of fingertip vs. conventional grip . . . I have always believed a bowler (child or adult) should have a couple of years of experience under their belt, working on good basics before advancing to fingertip. I also feel that a more basic urethane ball is preferred to the high tech reactive coverstocks, with exotic weight blocks for beginners. An honest pro shop operator will help you navigate the decision without trying to sell you high end, expensive balls.

If I were going to invest initially in something, it would be bowling shoes. Don't underestimate the value of a decent pair of shoes (vs. house/rental shoes)! Yes Linds were *THE* shoe of the 70's through 90's . . . but when the Professional Bowlers Association went to their registered products program, Linds was pretty much shut down for the higher caliber/professional players. So now days, Dexter and 3G are two well known shoes with a decent entry level, low cost shoe. My husband is just a fun bowler, and he bought his shoes over the internet. There are several reputable companies, if you're pretty sure what size your son needs. David bought his from bowling.com I believe, but there are others worth looking at too.

I hope this helps a little. Like I said, others have already given you some great suggestions. I sincerely hope he enjoys bowling and that the experience is a positive one for him. Bowling is a game/sport that folks can do for a lifetime. I am very fortunate to have turned my love for the game into my career, working for the bowling center owners/managers throughout Wisconsin.

Feel free to ask any other questions you may have . . . even send me a PM since I don't check in here on TUG very often.

Best wishes!
 
Let him use the house equipment for a while before investing in stuff he may not need. He also needs to learn about ball handling and feel so that if he ends up getting a custom fit ball he knows what it should feel like. Once you know he's serious, all he needs is a ball, shoes, and a bag. The school should tell him the weight, but I would guess in high school they use 16#. The 12 and 14's are for the little kids.

Many of the pros have left the maximum weight of 16# for lighter balls . . . some even at 14#. To day 12's and 14's are for the little kids is a disservice to the OP and his son!
 
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Many of the pros have left the maximum weight of 16# for lighter balls . . . some even at 14#. To say 12's and 14's are for the little kids is a disservice to the OP and his son!

+1 for this. When I was bowling on a league in Washington DC when I was in the Navy, I owned a 12# ball. Not because I was a wimp, but because I'd severely broken my wrist as a kid, and a 16# ball was too hard to control. The12-pounder worked great for me, and I was the anchor man on my team. If my arthritic knees permitted, I'd still be bowling, and probably with that ball. It worked great. I always liked the sport.

Dave
 
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Many of the pros have left the maximum weight of 16# for lighter balls . . . some even at 14#. To day 12's and 14's are for the little kids is a disservice to the OP and his son!

Thanks so much for the clarification. In the last week we picked up a pair of shoes and are determining what type/weight ball to purchase. We are in IA, so the program is a HSAA-sanctioned varsity sport.

He is using the 14# house bowling balls. The pro shop at the sponsor lanes gave a few entry-level options to consider. How much difference does the custom-drilled ball make and is it typical to go up a # in weight? He throws hard (baseball had been his love and 3rd base was his position) - at this point probably too hard to pick up any curve. His coaches are working on slowing it down and focusing on control. So the big debate is 14 or 15 pounds?
 
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He is using the 14# house bowling balls. The pro shop at the sponsor lanes gave a few entry-level options to consider. How much difference does the custom-drilled ball make and is it typical to go up a # in weight? He throws hard (baseball had been his love and 3rd base was his position) - at this point probably too hard to pick up any curve. His coaches are working on slowing it down and focusing on control. So the big debate is 14 or 15 pounds?

I would really defer to his coach at this point regarding choice of bowling ball & weight, in consult with the pro shop operator. They are in the best position to help you make the appropriate decision for your son.

As for custom-drilled balls . . . yes I'd say it makes a world of difference, especially if they will have matches away from your home center . . . who knows if he'll be able to find something that is similar is weight & grip off the house ball rack. His consistency will develop with using the same bowling ball.

And going up a pound will make a difference if he does so before really having some basic control of the lighter ball. From all you've told us, I'd suggest sticking with 14# for a season or two.
 
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I would really defer to his coach at this point regarding choice of bowling ball & weight, in consult with the pro shop operator. They are in the best position to help you make the appropriate decision for your son.

As for custom-drilled balls . . . yes I'd say it makes a world of difference, especially if they will have matches away from your home center . . . who knows if he'll be able to find something that is similar is weight & grip off the house ball rack. His consistency will develop with using the same bowling ball.

And going up a pound will make a difference if he does so before really having some basic control of the lighter ball. From all you've told us, I'd suggest sticking with 14# for a season or two.
Also, if this is a cheaper ball, it can be used to learn the mechanics. He can throw a variety of approaches with it as he learns. If he decides to move to an advanced grip, the old ball can still be used as "spare ball" (Making spares) using a straight or reduced curve throw.
 
My son is joining his high school bowling team. I know nothing about bowling other than playing recreationally maybe 2x per year.

He seems committed and has made the team. I am wondering what equipment we should buy vs. using the facility’s equipment.

Shoes? If so, do RH/LH make a big difference vs. universal?

Ball? How do you determine what weight?

Thanks for any insight!

@mentalbreak

How did the season go? I wound up coaching my son’s JV team and it was a blast! Division Champs!
 
Get him a bowler...
<tongue in cheek>

The Wright brothers (aviation-pioneers) wearing bowlers in 1910.
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I used to bowl in two leagues ever Saturday morning . . . then I turned 13. My high game was as a 10-year-old . . . 257.

Downhill since then.

:(

Back then no one ever talked about oil pattern and type of ball. The choices were black and not-black. The balls, not the oil. It was always black.

I've been watching PBA Bowling on the Fake Sports channel, and it's so far removed from back then, I wouldn't even know where to start. (Yeah I would. Second board left of the third-from-the-right dot . . . and throw the ball over the second arrow.)

I'd say technique is the most important thing, but, then, I see the good bowlers on TV using a dozen different techniques every game. I see them go from 7-step approaches to 3-step approaches, if the ball return is in the way.

Yes, a hunky high school kid needs to use a 16# ball.

Oh yeah, I've got an autographed picture of the Budweiser bowling team, circa 1958. Don Carter (of course), Ray Bluth, Dick Weber, Pat Patterson . .

Everyone was pretty much black and white back then.

https://www.stlshof.com/budweiser-bowling-team/
 
I'm dating myself, but as a young teen I remember setting pins after school at the local bowling alley for pocket change before automatic setters. It was tough work sitting on a small wooden seat between alleys You had to be quick and I well remember pins flying all over the place occasionally knocking you in the head. I think that only lasted one school year for me but it was quite an experience, and we got to bowl for free between league matches.
 
I came back to add that if he is a regular bowler, especially competitively, he needs his own ball. Alley bowling balls are clunky, funky, and never have to proper finger holes.

Since the hand is pretty much the same now as hands were fitty years ago, there's thumbhole and finger hole sizes, and span.

Then, again, some today don't appear to need finger holes, and are launching it 2-handed.
 
I'm dating myself, but as a young teen I remember setting pins after school at the local bowling alley for pocket change before automatic setters. It was tough work sitting on a small wooden seat between alleys You had to be quick and I well remember pins flying all over the place occasionally knocking you in the head. I think that only lasted one school year for me but it was quite an experience, and we got to bowl for free between league matches.

We still have a few (I think 3?) places here in Wisconsin that use human pinsetters.

Here's one of my favorites . . . the 2 laner in the Fort Atkinson Club. Photo taken October 2018.

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I'm dating myself, but as a young teen I remember setting pins after school at the local bowling alley for pocket change before automatic setters. It was tough work sitting on a small wooden seat between alleys You had to be quick and I well remember pins flying all over the place occasionally knocking you in the head. I think that only lasted one school year for me but it was quite an experience, and we got to bowl for free between league matches.

I remember keeping score on paper, it's all automatic now
I still have my custom ball and shoes but seldom used
 
I don’t think they won a meet (is that what they are called?!?). Hopefully I am speaking like an intelligent bowling parent in 3 more years!

Yeah, that’s what their called. As long as he had a good experience, the win/loss record as the life lessons learned (practice, hard work, perseverance, overcoming obstacles).

Have him bowl over the summer as much as possible. Many bowling alleys will have a program called Kids Bowl Free. If your son is 15 or under, you can get 2 games free every day from mid May until early August.
 
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