Air traffic control absences surge, hitting almost half of major US airports

[pedro47]

I pray the government remember what happen, when a president terminated all the striking federal air traffic controllers decades ago.

 

[Ski-Dad]

Flights to foreign destinations from the US are not impacted as international agreements prohibit their inclusion, but domestic connecting legs can be problematic. My son is taking a TATL flight in a few days, and so far his connecting legs are okay.

Not sure of the accuracy of this statement. I got stuck in Newark on Saturday evening when United cancelled my flight to Montreal. They they went and cancelled my rescheduled Sunday and Monday flights to Toronto trying to get back to Canada. I eventually got home late Monday through a flight to Halifax.

Its is now also impacting domestic flights in Canada as planes are getting stuck at US airports and miss their later day itineraries. Flights from Atlantic Canada to Toronto are also being impacted as they fly through US airspace (Maine, Vermont and New York)).

Between Saturday and today (Tuesday) I had 4 flights originally scheduled. Three flights Saturday making my way home from St Kitts and a flight this morning to Toronto on business. With the disruptions I ended up being rescheduled on a total of 12 separate flights, of which only 3 actually went.

 

[davidvel]

Not sure of the accuracy of this statement. I got stuck in Newark on Saturday evening when United cancelled my flight to Montreal. They they went and cancelled my rescheduled Sunday and Monday flights to Toronto trying to get back to Canada. I eventually got home late Monday through a flight to Halifax.

Its is now also impacting domestic flights in Canada as planes are getting stuck at US airports and miss their later day itineraries. Flights from Atlantic Canada to Toronto are also being impacted as they fly through US airspace (Maine, Vermont and New York)).

Between Saturday and today (Tuesday) I had 4 flights originally scheduled. Three flights Saturday making my way home from St Kitts and a flight this morning to Toronto on business. With the disruptions I ended up being rescheduled on a total of 12 separate flights, of which only 3 actually went.

Canada is not really international to us.

 

[Pennytx]

Canada is not really international to us.

Interesting … I see a nice big border line on my map
Wait … isn’t their a famous politician that doesn’t feel Canada is international… would have never guest you agreed

 

[davidvel]

Interesting … I see a nice big border line on my map
Wait … isn’t their a famous politician that doesn’t feel Canada is international… would have never guest you agreed

Canada is on the same continent as us, not really the same logistics as overseas flights. If you are referring to the orange guy, he certainly feels Canada is international, not sure why you think otherwise.

 

[Pennytx]

Canada is a international destination
They are a sovereign country

 

[VacationForever]

I pray the government remember what happen, when a president terminated all the air traffic controllers decades ago.

Never happened.

 

[TolmiePeak]

Canada is a international destination
They are a sovereign country

That depends on who you listen to.

 

[pedro47]

Never happened.

August 1981, the president fired over 11, 000 striking federal air traffic controllers.
They were banned for life at that time to hold another federal position.

Please do your homework and research your statement and my factual statement.

 

[easyrider]

Canada is not really international to us.

Try crossing the border with a riffle, lol.

Bill

 

[Luanne]

Try crossing the border with a riffle, lol.

Bill

The might let a riffle across, but probably not a rifle.

 

[easyrider]

The might let a riffle across, but probably not a rifle.

That is absolutely right, lol.

Bill

 

[Brett]

August 1981, the president fired over 11, 000 striking federal air traffic controllers.
They were banned for life at that time to hold another federal position.

Please do your homework and research your statement and my factual statement.

I remember that. Now they are getting $10k bonuses

 

[Tia]

I remember that. Now they are getting $10k bonuses

it's been floated for the ones that stayed on the job when not getting paid for weeks. People now days are suppose to have emergency funds for 4-6 months, this would be an example of why seems

 

[Luanne]

I remember that. Now they are getting $10k bonuses

Yeah, we'll see about that.

In this day and age why would anyone want to be an Air Traffic Controller.

 

[davidvel]

Well, only a week after "predicted".

 

[VacationForever]

August 1981, the president fired over 11, 000 striking federal air traffic controllers.
They were banned for life at that time to hold another federal position.

Please do your homework and research your statement and my factual statement.

What you stated is not factual. Yes, I have done my research. Not ALL air traffic controllers were fired as in your original post. 1,300 returned and the positions were filled with new hires, military controllers and supervisors.

 

[davidvel]

What you stated is not factual. Yes, I have done my research. Not ALL air traffic controllers were fired as in your original post. 1,300 returned and the positions were filled with new hires, military controllers and supervisors.

Pedro is correct. President fired ALL workers that continued to strike and refused his order to return to work.

I pray the government remember what happen, when a president terminated all the striking federal air traffic controllers decades ago.

1981 Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization strike - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[VacationForever]

Pedro is correct. President fired ALL workers that continued to strike and refused his order to return to work.

1981 Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization strike - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Only those who remained on strike. People who returned were not fired. If my employees go on strike I would fire them too, and hire other people who actually want to work.

 

[pedro47]

Only those who remained on strike. People who returned were not fired. If my employees go on strike I would fire them too, and hire other people who actually want to work.

Thanks for your research. I want Tuggers to research the truth and not believe everything you heard on television, or read on the internet are factual.

 

[Brett]

What you stated is not factual. Yes, I have done my research. Not ALL air traffic controllers were fired as in your original post. 1,300 returned and the positions were filled with new hires, military controllers and supervisors.

OK --- but your post #132 saying it "never happened" was a little misleading.
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The firings actually happened but not all air traffic controllers were fired. I suppose I could google the exact number in 1981 but I'm just hoping all the air traffic controllers are on the job this Thanksgiving

 

[HitchHiker71]

OK --- but your post #132 saying it "never happened" was a little misleading.
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The firings actually happened but not all air traffic controllers were fired. I suppose I could google the exact number in 1981 but I'm just hoping all the air traffic controllers are on the job this Thanksgiving

Approximately 1300 ATCs retained their job after the culling according to the Wikipedia article. I prefer Grokipedia over Wikipedia for more accurate data these days:

1981 PATCO strike and firings

The 1981 Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (PATCO) strike began on August 3, 1981, when nearly 13,000 members of the union, representing federal air traffic controllers employed by the Federal Aviation Administration, walked off the job demanding a $10,000 annual pay increase, a...

grokipedia.com

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[gln60]

Thanks for your research. I want Tuggers to research the truth and not believe everything you heard on television, or read on the internet are factual.

Unfortunately…everyone believes what THEY WANT to believe…sad

 

[Tia]

Unfortunately…everyone believes what THEY WANT to believe…sad

Ignorant people will not remain free​

The quote by Thomas Jefferson, "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be," emphasizes the importance of an informed citizenry for the preservation of freedom in a civilized society.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Ignorant people will not remain free​

The quote by Thomas Jefferson, "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be," emphasizes the importance of an informed citizenry for the preservation of freedom in a civilized society.

From Ben Franklin’s speech at the Constitutional Covention - certainly seems somewhat prescient:

“In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government, but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered; and believe further, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government.”


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