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Ageing dogs - when do you know it's their time?

cheter

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I've written you about my Lab, Cleo. She isn't falling any more, but she's not eating. I quit giving her "puppy biscuits", but today I gave her a handful, and she ate them right up. I bought a good brand so atleast she is not getting alot of junk additives. She drinks plenty of water. Maybe all the medicines she is on, is making food not appealing. The pills are for pain, thyroid, and joints. I know it's not her time, but I know it is probably coming sooner than I want. She is 14.
 
I knew it was time for my Sheena when she fell and couldn't get up. I'd lift her to her feet and she'd walk around shakily, but then she'd fall again. When it didn't improve by the next morning, I knew it was time. She'd had arthritis for several years and she'd been failing visibly for a month or so. She couldn't make it outside on her own and she snapped when I picked her up to bring her outside. Having been an 70 pound dog, she wasn't used to being carried. She just wanted to be on her own. She had been 12. It was devasting, but there was no doubt that it was time.
 
Our golden lab was fine mentally, but her hips and legs were weak. For five months, we supported her rear with a bottoms up leash and brought her outside on nice days and let her lay on a blanket and watch the birds, etc. As winter, came it became more difficult and it just seemed that we were delaying the inevitable. She also seemed to have lost any sense of joy in her life and while not in pain, clearly missed being able to ambulate on her own. Since she trembled so much at the vets, we found a wonderful female vet who came to our home and put her down as she lay on her dog bed in front of the fireplace. It was so peaceful. I know that we should have done it sooner.....we were keeping her alive for us and in the end she could have fallen and really injured herself and we would have felt terrible. I think somehow you know when it is time...but better an hour too soon than a moment too late.
 
Our two elderly cats lived happily for several years with daily medical treatment. We knew it was time when they stopped eating, and there was nothing we could do to make them eat.
 
I currently have an 11 yr old miniature schnauzer who is staying the weekend at the vet's to see if they can control her bloody diarrhea and encourage her somehow to eat. They are hydrating her and she is comfortable and the vet calls us twice a day to let us know how she is doing. I never considered this might be the end of her but having had two previous schnauzers who didn't make it to 11, I guess I should have considered the possibility. I will know when it's time to let go, having been through this before but it doesn't make it easier.
 
I would talk to my Vet about this to see if it could be some of the medications. Sometimes they can give you some insight into when it's time. And I think you will know. Our Vet offers a "Senior Test" by drawing blood and having everything checked over. It might tell you if there is anything wrong. When they stop eating, or start throwing up for no reason would be a sign for me to have her checked. And 14 is OLD for a Lab. Average age is around 11 or 12, I've been told, although our last Lab was a month short of 15. But I feel that some of us take really good care of our pets and 'know' them and notice changes.

Our old gal now is 12 1/2 and I just look at her every day and wonder when it will be Kelly's time. It's never an easy decision to make, but I don't want any of our Labs to suffer just because I can't bear to put them down. And since we are going to be gone for a couple of weeks I wrote a letter giving my two adult children permission to make any medical decisions for either Kelly or Dakota. I stated that IF either of them had to be put down, we wanted her cremated and we want the ashes returned to us. I'll keep you and Cleo in my prayers that you will know when it is the right time.
 
What medications exactly does your dog take? My standard poodle had a side effect from Rimadyl that would have killed him if we did not figure it out and stop the med. He then lived another good year and died at 14. When he stopped eating (including hamburgers) and drinking, he died naturally at home within a week.
 
Try cat food

I agree with others about knowing when it is time.

Regarding getting your dog to eat: have you tried mixing in cat food with her regular dog food? I'd suggest getting a few cans of cat food - the smellier the better (fish usually works well ) - and mix some in with a small amount of her regular dog food. This usually does the trick with ill dogs that don't want to eat. I'm assuming though that your vet has placed your dog on any dietary restrictions.

Hope it works!

Evelyn
 
What does that mean... "when it's time"? Code word for putting an animal to sleep? Nobody seems to say "when it's time" related to human loved ones. This is all a curiosity to me. I've had many animals in my life and never put one down because of expense of meds or seeing pain of old age. It comes with life, no matter the species. I'm also straining my brain to think of the movie about the horse with a severe injury that vets all said to put down, but a young person stuck by that horse and it went on to win races if I recall. Anybody know the name of that film?
 
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Carol C said:
I'm also straining my brain to think of the movie about the horse with a severe injury that vets all said to put down, but a young person stuck by that horse and it went on to win races if I recall. Anybody know the name of that film?

I think it was Seabiscuit. Great movie and real life story.
 
Carol, I believe the film was "Seabiscuit". Funny this topic should come up. Last Monday we buried my uncle, 78 years old. He was not sick, but went in to the hospital for a procedure to inject a substance into his spine to control the pain from compression fractures (he had osteoporosis). During his stay, he went into respiratory arrest while his family was there, and they put him on a ventilator. After a few weeks and several attempts to wean him from the respirator, he remained nonresponsive and my aunt was given a choice: to have a trach put in and attach him to the vent that way, which would mean the rest of his life that way in a nursing home placement, or to pull the vent and let him expire. My aunt, in essence, had to determine that "his time had come", and terminated the life support. He died within 24 hours, and his breathing became very laborious. We wished someone would have given him a shot to end it all for him, as a vet would have done with his pet. Our beloved Princess stopped eating in December. She was 12, a terrier mix. The vet did various tests to determine if she had organ failure (she didn't), and kept her on iv fluids for a couple of days. She came home, very weak, ate one meal (I think to please us) and stopped eating again. We had her put down. It was a peaceful end to her life. We figured we never let her be uncomfortable during her life, we weren't going to let her be uncomfortable during her death. I wish my uncle didn't have to suffer so much before he could finally pass.
 
We had to put Buddy to sleep in January. He was a shepherd/doberman mix and was 15 1/2. He had been going downhill for about a year and all of a sudden couldn't walk and didn't want to eat or drink. When we took him to the Vet and all he did was lay on the table, I knew it was time.
 
what my vet says

certainly, if there is evidence of ongoing pain, then the question must be asked---but for non-pain issues, one view is when an animal appears to be getting no enjoyment out of life.
for ex.-a dog that has congestive heart failure at 16 years old--when on repeated days he just stopped wanting to even perk up for a piece of steak, that might be a signal that it was time.
It is a very personal decision that should be discussed with your vet--and some animals are more prone to certain diseases and issues than others.
 
Carol, I think the movie you were thinking of was Dreamer with Kurt Russel and Dakota Fanning, although Seabiscuit has some similarities and Dreamer was based on a true story as well.
 
Well, once again Cleo is back to her old self. Eating like there's no tommorow!
I put her back on her meds today. I put them in a bowl, the Wellness is a liver tasting powder, and mix it with water now (instead of ice cream). She gulped it right done. She also ate dog food before that.
I know it's not her time, but thank you all for giving me insight and support on this touchy subject.
 
You will know when. Sometimes we keep them a little longer for ourselves. Normally when they stop eating , lose a lot of weight,cannot walk,hind legs not working and cannot control their body functions. Cats get very rickety and dehydrated meaning kidneys are not working that well. Dogs have been a little different.

I had to put my oldest ever cat to sleep a few months ago. She was 19 yrs and 7 months old. I buried her in my garden. It is never easy. I always remain with them when the time comes. Our vet is wonderful.
 
cheter said:
Well, once again Cleo is back to her old self. Eating like there's no tommorow!
I put her back on her meds today. I put them in a bowl, the Wellness is a liver tasting powder, and mix it with water now (instead of ice cream). She gulped it right done. She also ate dog food before that.
I know it's not her time, but thank you all for giving me insight and support on this touchy subject.

Yay! Great news! :wave:
 
I agree, you'll know when. Your fur child will tell you with their eyes. A dog especially. They are so connected to you. It seems their only desire in life is to be with their human. But the day finally comes when they just can't go on, whether it's pain or just feeling so terribly sick due to organ failure. My shar pei, before the one I have now developed the dreaded "A". (amylodosis=kidney failure)

She eventually refused food.....well our girl was alittle plump to begin with, due to dad's constant treats.....so that held her for alittle longer, she still enjoyed her walks and her love of wanting to be with us was still strong.

Then one morning she refused water, and continued that thru the day, along with just lying and not even wanting to go out, she just stared at me. Those eyes told me she needed to leave me. She, in that look gave me the strength to do what I knew I needed to do.

Now it was my turn to pull myself up by my bootstraps so to speak, and think of what was best for her. I have never regretted easing my fur children's pain and suffering.

My first shar pei lived to be 16, he had a rich full life, not on a single med. Slightly hard of hearing, I referred to it as selective hearing :) but fabulous health otherwise. Then one day he went down in his rear legs. A rushed trip to the vet revealed spinal cord deterioration. Kinda like the last frayed string was about to snap.

My boy raised his head from the table and just gave me a long deep look. Not blinking, just staring into my eyes. That was it. He told me I needed to let him go. And I did.....with his big wrinkled head craddled in my arms.
 
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Carol, I believe the film was "Seabiscuit". Funny this topic should come up. Last Monday we buried my uncle, 78 years old. He was not sick, but went in to the hospital for a procedure to inject a substance into his spine to control the pain from compression fractures (he had osteoporosis). During his stay, he went into respiratory arrest while his family was there, and they put him on a ventilator. After a few weeks and several attempts to wean him from the respirator, he remained nonresponsive and my aunt was given a choice: to have a trach put in and attach him to the vent that way, which would mean the rest of his life that way in a nursing home placement, or to pull the vent and let him expire. My aunt, in essence, had to determine that "his time had come", and terminated the life support. He died within 24 hours, and his breathing became very laborious. We wished someone would have given him a shot to end it all for him, as a vet would have done with his pet. Our beloved Princess stopped eating in December. She was 12, a terrier mix. The vet did various tests to determine if she had organ failure (she didn't), and kept her on iv fluids for a couple of days. She came home, very weak, ate one meal (I think to please us) and stopped eating again. We had her put down. It was a peaceful end to her life. We figured we never let her be uncomfortable during her life, we weren't going to let her be uncomfortable during her death. I wish my uncle didn't have to suffer so much before he could finally pass.

Oh man Jackio...your uncle being a victim of possible med-mal makes that entire scenario even more heartbreaking. I really feel for your aunt and your entire family. Those are exactly the decisions I wonder about when it comes to humans and their "time". I've signed a very liberal medical power of attorney and living will and would hope my hubby would respect my wishes.

Please refrain from including political material.
 
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Sandy said:
I think it was Seabiscuit. Great movie and real life story.
In "Seabiscuit" it was the jockey that got all busted up. The movie with the injured horse that went on to win starred Dakota Fanning as the young girl. The title had the word dream in it.

We may not knowor want to know, when it is time, but they do.
 
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You will know when it is time. Our last dog that we had to put to sleep cardiac failure. Towards the end, we were taking him to the vet every few drains to have fluids drained from him. He was such a good little guy, never complaining about it. The cost wasnt a factor in our decision. He wasnt going to get any better and it was so unfair to put him thru that stress just to keep him with us longer. My vet always says to look at the quality of life. His life just wasnt enjoyable for him any longer.
 
Not everyone really knows when "it's time"! We have sometimes waited too long, debating the question. When the question keeps coming up, and you wonder it week after week, unfortunately it probably is.
 
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