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Advice please-just bought Wyndham Worlmark-should I rescind?

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Can someone clarify Line 5 on this uploaded contract? My question is-----

Does Line 5-- FUTURE PURCHASE. Member agrees to attend a WRDC sales presentation during the first stay at a Resort (Scheduled Sales Presentation)...

Must I make and attend a scheduled sales presentation at each resort I stay
You are committed to ONE sales presentation. Generally, if you tell the salesweasel that you simply are not interrested and that you WILL NOT be purchasing more points they'll make you put in the required 90 minutes but if you get up and walk out at that point, there isn't much they can do.

OR you could buy a TUG, "I paid more for this T-Shirt than my timeshare" T-Shirt to wear to the presentation and really piss 'em off.

Jim
 

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You are committed to ONE sales presentation. Generally, if you tell the salesweasel that you simply are not interrested and that you WILL NOT be purchasing more points they'll make you put in the required 90 minutes but if you get up and walk out at that point, there isn't much they can do.

OR you could buy a TUG, "I paid more for this T-Shirt than my timeshare" T-Shirt to wear to the presentation and really piss 'em off.

Jim
I will stay for one as I would be worried they wouldn't let me use the remaining points. Will try and say won't know until after my next stay. Will try and get some kind of proof that I attended. Do i need to schedule or are they always at the resorts trying to lure more people? The t-shirt is a great idea.....:)
 

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I will stay for one as I would be worried they wouldn't let me use the remaining points. Will try and say won't know until after my next stay. Will try and get some kind of proof that I attended. Do i need to schedule or are they always at the resorts trying to lure more people? The t-shirt is a great idea.....:)
Don't tell the 'next day or next trip' period, full stop. Just NO. And as emphatically as necessary. And before your visit with the mandatory sales meeting, print out a few eBay sales offers for that resort with prices of like $1. And if the pressure gets, well, to the point that you're not having fun and just want to end it, pull out the print-outs of current resale offers, hand them to the salesweasels and say, "Match these". Meeting over. Head to gifting.

Jim
 

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Don't tell the 'next day or next trip' period, full stop. Just NO. And as emphatically as necessary. And before your visit with the mandatory sales meeting, print out a few eBay sales offers for that resort with prices of like $1. And if the pressure gets, well, to the point that you're not having fun and just want to end it, pull out the print-outs of current resale offers, hand them to the salesweasels and say, "Match these". Meeting over. Head to gifting.

Jim
Thanks will just say no.... Already closed that so called vacation account with the Comenity Bank as I thought someone might try to charge me points on the sly. Will give them 90 minutes and get proof that I have attended the mandatory sales pitch. Will get the ebay stuff just to shove in their face. Plan on scheduling next vacation in may 2020 for the following year. Nothing convenient at all about their program. So they will know I am coming and will just grab me to attend, correct?
 

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Thanks will just say no.... Already closed that so called vacation account with the Comenity Bank as I thought someone might try to charge me points on the sly. Will give them 90 minutes and get proof that I have attended the mandatory sales pitch. Will get the ebay stuff just to shove in their face. Plan on scheduling next vacation in may 2020 for the following year. Nothing convenient at all about their program. So they will know I am coming and will just grab me to attend, correct?

They will grab you at check-in or call you in the room or leave a letter etc.... you will want to get it done--no use in postponing the inevitable unless it cramps your vaca.

So.....
while you may have had a poor experience with your salespeople (not uncommon), Worldmark is a great organization and one of the best (resale) values in the US.
Again, I'm NOT plugging Worldmark Developer purchase.......just the resales, resorts and--for the most part--the folks you will meet at the resorts (especially the smaller ones).

If you are argumentative, angry and belligerent, there is a strong likelihood that your sales rep and the closer will also play the game 'mean.'
If you do not fulfill your presentation requirement, they could certainly challenge you.

I have found that a calm, professional tone with limited interaction produces the best results.
  1. I believe I understand everything you've told me (don't elaborate on the 'lies' etc...)
  2. Please present your best bottom line offer (as soon as possible without demanding it immediately)
  3. After review.....I am not ready to invest in my vacation time, my family time or any other 'luxury' purchases at this time due to financial considerations and possible hardship. Private Hardship.
  4. Yes, I understand everything you have told me (and the closer which has come by now....) and my mind is made up. I'm not interested and will not be making a purchase today.
  5. Thank you for your time and presentation.
Now comes the long and silent wait. Don't engage, don't taunt, don't threaten. Don't try to embarrass them or disrupt the presentations.
you'll be out in minutes.

I find this much easier, faster and more emotionally calm then trying to bully my way out of the presentation by acting like a donkey. (jK)
Just my 2cents. I love my Worldmarks.....dislike sales-persons.
 

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They will grab you at check-in or call you in the room or leave a letter etc.... you will want to get it done--no use in postponing the inevitable unless it cramps your vaca.

So.....
while you may have had a poor experience with your salespeople (not uncommon), Worldmark is a great organization and one of the best (resale) values in the US.
Again, I'm NOT plugging Worldmark Developer purchase.......just the resales, resorts and--for the most part--the folks you will meet at the resorts (especially the smaller ones).

If you are argumentative, angry and belligerent, there is a strong likelihood that your sales rep and the closer will also play the game 'mean.'
If you do not fulfill your presentation requirement, they could certainly challenge you.

I have found that a calm, professional tone with limited interaction produces the best results.
  1. I believe I understand everything you've told me (don't elaborate on the 'lies' etc...)
  2. Please present your best bottom line offer (as soon as possible without demanding it immediately)
  3. After review.....I am not ready to invest in my vacation time, my family time or any other 'luxury' purchases at this time due to financial considerations and possible hardship. Private Hardship.
  4. Yes, I understand everything you have told me (and the closer which has come by now....) and my mind is made up. I'm not interested and will not be making a purchase today.
  5. Thank you for your time and presentation.
Now comes the long and silent wait. Don't engage, don't taunt, don't threaten. Don't try to embarrass them or disrupt the presentations.
you'll be out in minutes.

I find this much easier, faster and more emotionally calm then trying to bully my way out of the presentation by acting like a donkey. (jK)
Just my 2cents. I love my Worldmarks.....dislike sales-persons.

Thank you for your suggestions. Just wanted to confirm as the wording regarding the "scheduled presentation" was not clear and could mean several things. I will just go with the flow and stay committed to my "No response".
 

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Schedule means appointment.
Some locations run a 'mass presentation' before the sales pitch. Camlin is one of these. You actually learn quite a bit if you're not familiar with the system.
Then they escort you to your personal pitch etc...

Again, I urge you to enjoy what you bought (discovery?) and don't let the bitterness ruin the flavor of the vacation.
Good luck
 
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