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mom2brina

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New here & doing some research! We have always thought about owning a timeshare & been to many presentations, but ever since finding TUG many years ago, I knew we would never buy retail. (Thank You!!) The last presentation Hubby said was our last. :hysterical:

We are ready to buy something resale, but I have a few questions.

1. Is there a post or something that outlines each step of the buying resale process & any red flags that I should be looking for?


2. Considering a 3BR EOY or a 2BR EY. What would you recommend? Why?


3. Do you recommend buying in the location that we envision us vacationing with our kids & their families (say 10+ years out) or in a location that we feel has good trading power and/or potential for renting?
 

suzannesimon

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I have 6 Resales and each one was listed by a realtor who, along with the Title Co, handled the whole process. I always look at where I want to go, first, and then check to see if the resort and season I want can be rented easily to cover maintenance fees. That way I can be sure the cost of ownership doesn't become a drain. First, though, buy where you want to go. No matter how great a trader or renter a ski resort is, I could never buy there because for me it isn't a vacation without a beach.
 

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I strongly recommend you read this thread : http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=17 and answer this sticky

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208742

and follow the instructions. If you answer the questions in this "what to buy?" post you'll get many answers and suggestions from TUG members.
If you have strong inclinations (I like Marriott etc...) then post what you're considering as well; folks will give you the ins/outs of your ideas.


Welcome!
People here have strong feelings and like to protect people from getting into situations they can't get out of. So, don't be overwhelmed by the advice and strong suggestions... It's just people wanting to help!

cheers.
 
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I have 6 Resales and each one was listed by a realtor who, along with the Title Co, handled the whole process. I always look at where I want to go, first, and then check to see if the resort and season I want can be rented easily to cover maintenance fees. That way I can be sure the cost of ownership doesn't become a drain. First, though, buy where you want to go. No matter how great a trader or renter a ski resort is, I could never buy there because for me it isn't a vacation without a beach.

And I bought one to stay in (Hawaii) and one to trade (Orlando). Both ideas are largely frowned upon here. But, I'm thrilled! Again, suggest you run the questionnaire and follow the (avalanche) of replies. :rolleyes:
 

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Thanks for the link to the New here forum. I bee-lined it for the Marriott forum because we are certain that we want to buy there.

I will post a thread in the newbie forum answering these questions!
 
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m61376

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Although if you are certain you want to buy a Marriott you may be better off posting here for more Marriott specific advice. However, the other forum will likely give you some very helpful general advice.

If there is a location you like to visit at least half the time, then buying there in a season you'd like to travel is usually the best way to ensure you're a happy owner. And thinking about your current travel needs and likely future needs is a good approach; family dynamics change over time.

Feel free to ask questions- you're sure to get lots of advice here. And welcome to Tug :hi:
 

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In the same boat!

New here & doing some research! We have always thought about owning a timeshare & been to many presentations, but ever since finding TUG many years ago, I knew we would never buy retail. (Thank You!!) The last presentation Hubby said was our last. :hysterical:

We are ready to buy something resale, but I have a few questions.

1. Is there a post or something that outlines each step of the buying resale process & any red flags that I should be looking for?


2. Considering a 3BR EOY or a 2BR EY. What would you recommend? Why?


3. Do you recommend buying in the location that we envision us vacationing with our kids & their families (say 10+ years out) or in a location that we feel has good trading power and/or potential for renting?



Thanks mom2brina! I am in the exact same boat. Probably sticking with a 2br though. Would love a lockout for future splits once our 5 kids sadly move on. I am eager to see the responses here!
 

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2. Considering a 3BR EOY or a 2BR EY. What would you recommend? Why?

From your question, I am assuming you are buying these to trade with the difference in unit size.

Buying any unit, I would recommend ensuring it is a lock off resort. As long as the resort is one of the ones listed in the resource section of the Marriott section as being able to lock off, it will ensure you can split the unit into two deposits. 3 br units will either split off into a 2br+studio or 2br+1br.

http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180523

Many advocate the 2br+1br, but I'm not a big fan of buying a 3br to trade as your costs per lock off is higher. Some have said that they want the 2br portion to get the best trades, but I've been able to get prime weeks in Hawaii during Christmas, NY, springbreak using a 1 br. I have not seen the need to use a 2 br to get these great trades. The additional point is that the cost of a 3 br to buy is also substantially higher as well.

My personal choice is a 2 br lockoff Platinum season with low maintenance fees. The worst case scenario, if I ever needed to use the whole 2 br to trade I am still able to if I wanted. They will usually lock off into 1br + Studio allowing for 2 trades. I did a cost analysis of a 3 br locking off into a 2 br+Studio/2br+1br vs 2 Br lock off and the 2 Br lock off came out ahead in cost still. You can probably find it if you do a search here. I think it might have been about 2 years ago.

3. Do you recommend buying in the location that we envision us vacationing with our kids & their families (say 10+ years out) or in a location that we feel has good trading power and/or potential for renting?

Many on this forum recommend buying where you want to go and this is sound if you are not really into the trading/exchanging game. If you are willing to put a bit more work into it, you can get some amazing exchanges, but be aware it is not guaranteed and can come at unpredictable times (some early, some late). Thus far it has been very productive for me exchanging and I have been able to find most everything I have been searching for but it comes with a lot of patience searching. If you are not prepared to put in that time (which isn't that much - takes 2 min to do a search) maybe a couple times per day or even few times per week, then exchanging may not be for you. For the return you get when you find these great trades, I think it is well worth the time and at a much much lower cost than buying at some of these destinations at peak periods.

For most timeshares you buy, it is difficult to rent to cover the cost of your MF but some places are better for that like Hawaii, Aruba, and Hilton Head. It does come at a much much higher cost though to buy. This past Christmas and NY, I traded for 4 units over this time in Ko Olina using 1 br and studios to trade for 2 br units. These 2 br units would have cost $2K in MF and to rent would be about $4-5K. I traded in for $700-750 per week. With that said, I am in the process of buying week 51 as I can rent it out for $4-5K if I did not want to use it.

If you are going to buy a week to use, I would advise the following
1) Be sure this is somewhere you will always want to go to
2) There is consistent demand for this location that you can sell it to someone else when you are done with it if you desires change
3) There is a good opportunity to rent it for more than your MF if you decide not to use it
 
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New here & doing some research! We have always thought about owning a timeshare & been to many presentations, but ever since finding TUG many years ago, I knew we would never buy retail. (Thank You!!) The last presentation Hubby said was our last. :hysterical:

We are ready to buy something resale, but I have a few questions.

1. Is there a post or something that outlines each step of the buying resale process & any red flags that I should be looking for?


2. Considering a 3BR EOY or a 2BR EY. What would you recommend? Why?


3. Do you recommend buying in the location that we envision us vacationing with our kids & their families (say 10+ years out) or in a location that we feel has good trading power and/or potential for renting?

1. Is there a post or something that outlines each step of the buying resale process & any red flags that I should be looking for?

- Learn about Right of First Refusal (ROFR). This is the legal provision that allows Marriott to review sales contracts involving MVCI properties and if they wish 'step-into' your shoes as the buyer and repurchase themselves any week you are trying to buy. ROFR applies to most MVCI resorts and generally gives Marriott a 30 day window to decide once they receive a copy of your sales contract to buy a resale week.

- Research eBay, Redweek, and other sources of information to see what weeks are 're-selling' for. You don't want to overpay, but also need to offer enough money to the seller that your sales price will be more likely to pass ROFR (meaning Marriott will not want to spend that amount of money to repurchase the week themselves instead of letting you go ahead and buy it). There is no 'magic number', but TUG's resident wizard 'GregT' has done some prognosticating - ("A la peanut butter sandwiches!") and there is a thread somewhere on TUG with his formula.

2. Considering a 3BR EOY or a 2BR EY. What would you recommend? Why?

- I am the oldest of 6 kids and have 6 kids of my own. So, owning 3BR units work best for our large family. If this math continues I'll need a 12BR soon.

- Definitely consider a lock-off unit as this will provide you flexibility in the future once your vacation options change. Perhaps you will travel some just as a couple in the future. With a lock-off, you can use what you need and save what you don't for a future use. Learn more at http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180523.

- If you are looking at owning in Florida, consider a Marriott property that is a 'Florida Club' resort. These 5 resorts have free exchange privileges between them. They are Villas at Doral, Legend's Edge, Grande Vista, Beach Place Towers, and Ocean Pointe. You can learn more about the Florida Club at http://dioxide45.tripod.com/FloridaClubExplained.pdf. Thanks Dioxide.

3. Do you recommend buying in the location that we envision us vacationing with our kids & their families (say 10+ years out) or in a location that we feel has good trading power and/or potential for renting?

- I would say have your cake and eat it too. You can get both. We own in Orlando (which despite having a plentiful supply of inventory, still has great trading power). We have enjoyed going there not only to our home resort of Grande Vista, but also trying out other MVCI properties in Orlando via exchanging with II like Cypress Harbor, Lakeshore Reserve, and Harbor Lakes.

- I think a 3BR Grande Vista Lock-Off is a very strong trader, and makes a great place to start (if you are also interested in going to Orlando should you not get a trade you want).

- Also, remember with II, if you can't use your ownership week in a given year the way you want to, just deposit it with II. You will then have 2 years to use it (and not lose it).

Welcome aboard and good luck with your purchase decision. :cool:
 

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We're in the same boat. I've been looking at the Marriott resale market for quite some time for Hawaii. We love Waiohai for the beach and snorkeling, but we're empty nesters now so there is a chance the 2 bedroom unit would be wasteful for just the two of us. I doubt that will happen very often as our family travels together most of the time.

We also own Disney for Disneyland and Disney World.

I've considered Ko'Olina, but I'd rather stay at Aulani when there so I'd probably would be trading to stay on Kauai instead.

My gut tells me to buy where we'd like to stay the most. Any opinions?

Looking at EOY
 
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