Adding Resale deed to HGV Max account

[HGVDad]

HGVC Deed Question

My wife and I are HGVC owners (deeded legacy, no trust points) and have 11,520 points (post Diamond adjustment) annually. We have Max, Dex, etc.

Here’s my question: now that we have what we need through HGVC to get all of the perks you have to buy directly from HGVC (such as Max, DEX, etc.), if we go buy a resale deed (I see some available for $10K, 16K points annually (deeded)) will this second deed attach to our account and give us club points that we can use normally or will the system separate that old deed from our current deed and not allow them to be used in Max, toward the new tiers, etc.?

I don’t want to buy any more pints from HGV directly but would love to bump the number of points annually for our family of 7.

Anyone know anything about this?

Thanks!

 

[HuskerATL]

From everything we have heard so far, they just add to your point total but do not count for the Max Tier level.

 

[Eric B]

I’ve actually done that - purchased resale after getting Max. The deed and points were added to my account and can be used for the same things my retail points work for.

HGVC Deed Question

My wife and I are HGVC owners (deeded legacy, no trust points) and have 11,520 points (post Diamond adjustment) annually. We have Max, Dex, etc.

Here’s my question: now that we have what we need through HGVC to get all of the perks you have to buy directly from HGVC (such as Max, DEX, etc.), if we go buy a resale deed (I see some available for $10K, 16K points annually (deeded)) will this second deed attach to our account and give us club points that we can use normally or will the system separate that old deed from our current deed and not allow them to be used in Max, toward the new tiers, etc.?

I don’t want to buy any more pints from HGV directly but would love to bump the number of points annually for our family of 7.

Anyone know anything about this?

Thanks!

Curious about the reference to DEX. Is you ownership all HGVC or do you have HVC, too?

 

[escanoe]

How do you have access to DeX?

 

[HGVDad]

I’ve actually done that - purchased resale after getting Max. The deed and points were added to my account and can be used for the same things my retail points work for.



Curious about the reference to DEX. Is you ownership all HGVC or do you have HVC, too?

Thank you for the reply! I assumed it would work this way but wanted to hear from someone who has done it.

As for DEX, it is not live yet so I cannot book anything through it, yet. But we are 100% HGVC, not HVC, and we used a contract adjustment to add DEX into our account.

 

[HGVDad]

How do you have access to DeX? Allie

Allow me to clarify: DEX is live next year so we cannot use it yet, in case that was the confusion. We used a contract adjustment to include DEX in our account when it goes Love next year without purchasing any of the Max trust-based points.

 

[HuskerATL]

Allow me to clarify: DEX is live next year so we cannot use it yet, in case that was the confusion. We used a contract adjustment to include DEX in our account when it goes Love next year without purchasing any of the Max trust-based points.

Dex already exists for DRI owners so are you saying that next year, HGVC Max owners will have access to it? Which means that you would deposit your HGVC week into Dex to use one of the properties there.

From the DRI membership guide:

 

[Eric B]

Dex already exists for DRI owners so are you saying that next year, HGVC Max owners will have access to it? Which means that you would deposit your HGVC week into Dex to use one of the properties there.

From the DRI membership guide:
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I had heard that would be the case, but have never been able to find documentation of that. Nice if true.

 

[HGVDad]

Dex already exists for DRI owners so are you saying that next year, HGVC Max owners will have access to it? Which means that you would deposit your HGVC week into Dex to use one of the properties there.

From the DRI membership guide:
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More or less, yes.

DEX is going to be released to Max members in 2024. BUT, to clarify, Max members need not deposit their clubpoints into DEX to book DRI properties, as they are all slated to become HVC or HGVC branded properties, accessible through the normal reservation system, by Q1 ‘24 (though that has already been delayed once, we’ll see).

DEX allows Max members to use DEX instead of RCI and comes with perks like no booking fees, points deposited into DEX do not expire for five points, etc. giving access to more than just HVC/HGVC/DRI properties.

Did this address your question? I am fresh from a presentation so ask away. I love traveling to HGVC with my family and am trying to learn more myself.

 

[escanoe]

More or less, yes.

DEX is going to be released to Max members in 2024. BUT, to clarify, Max members need not deposit their clubpoints into DEX to book DRI properties, as they are all slated to become HVC or HGVC branded properties, accessible through the normal reservation system, by Q1 ‘24 (though that has already been delayed once, we’ll see).

DEX allows Max members to use DEX instead of RCI and comes with perks like no booking fees, points deposited into DEX do not expire for five points, etc. giving access to more than just HVC/HGVC/DRI properties.

Did this address your question? I am fresh from a presentation so ask away. I love traveling to HGVC with my family and am trying to learn more myself.

This sounds more like a sales presentation than something factual. We will see.

I am a little skeptical they are going to require Max to use DEX when they open it up to HGVC. But we will see. (Note, everything above could be true if it was opened to all of HGVC. But they are framing it will be available to MAX.)

One reason why I am skeptical: If they open it up just to MAX they are in effect expanding their HGV exchange, but sending all legacy owners (only on HGVC side) to do business with a Wyndham owned competitor.

I could also believe they open it up to MAX only (on the HGVC side) next year as they build it up and it comes to legacy HGVC later.

I would like to have access to Max and be willing to pay a membership fee. But it certainly would not be worth spending $7k or making a developer purchase to get.

 

[HuskerATL]

More or less, yes.

DEX is going to be released to Max members in 2024. BUT, to clarify, Max members need not deposit their clubpoints into DEX to book DRI properties, as they are all slated to become HVC or HGVC branded properties, accessible through the normal reservation system, by Q1 ‘24 (though that has already been delayed once, we’ll see).

DEX allows Max members to use DEX instead of RCI and comes with perks like no booking fees, points deposited into DEX do not expire for five points, etc. giving access to more than just HVC/HGVC/DRI properties.

Did this address your question? I am fresh from a presentation so ask away. I love traveling to HGVC with my family and am trying to learn more myself.

Understood. DeX isn't to use DRI/HVC, DeX is to use non-DRI but in the DeX network so, you would need to deposit your week. Max is the exchange between HGVC and DRI/HVC. This happens in RCI also but folks don't realize it. They think that they are just using points but really they are exchanging their week for another week.

 

[HuskerATL]

I could also believe they open it up to MAX only (on the HGVC side) next year as they build it up and it comes to legacy HGVC later.

HVC Max should already have access to DeX so the expansion should be for HGVC/HC Max folks. I doubt Legacy would have access to it. They would exchange through RCI or II/GPX via their affiliate networks

 

[Mongoose]

Interesting. What is the cheapest buy in for HGV Max?

 

[HuskerATL]

Interesting. What is the cheapest buy in for HGV Max?

We were offered $7k with a trade in

 

[Mongoose]

We were offered $7k with a trade in

So was the $7K just to convert what you had or did you get anything more with it?

 

[HuskerATL]

So was the $7K just to convert what you had or did you get anything more with it?

We would have gotten less. In essence, they offered a lower point "upgrade" to trade to but get in Max. We didn't do it and stayed with our Elite Premier.

 

[muscae]

I am HGVC legacy MAX member. I do not have access to DEX. I average 12 to 15 sales presentations per year and have never been told that I would have access to DEX. My most recent presentation was at the beginning of this month.

 

[4TimeAway]

I am HGVC legacy MAX member. I do not have access to DEX. I average 12 to 15 sales presentations per year and have never been told that I would have access to DEX. My most recent presentation was at the beginning of this month.

That's a lot of experience. Any advice for how to get through them?

 

[muscae]

That's a lot of experience. Any advice for how to get through them?

I enjoy the sales presentations. I ask about new properties and new benefits of owning. If I am traveling with family or friends, I drop them off and rejoin after the presentation. They really can not negotiate on price. They can offer more and less costly deeds, but price is the price. They can negotiate on bonus points. Always calculate the price per point, ignore the payment amounts. It comes down to price per point and MF per point. I am sure I could give a HGVC sales presentation.

 

[cd5]

If this may be of interest - Embarc Legacy members of Extraordinary Escapes have access to DEX - without buying into Max. It was added 2 years ago to replace Interval, which members can still use however, by getting a membership directly with II. It has a long ways to go before matching II offerings.
DEX is basically an internal DRI/Embarc Exchange group right now with available locations being mostly HVC (former Diamond) locations. It works based on a 6-tier system where when you deposit points you have to decide in which tier you are depositing - and where they make their "money" is that you have to be be lucky to book something in the tier you originally selected to deposit your points. If it's higher tier, you pay with your points + cash, if it's a lower tier, you lose the extra unused points.
They may expand it to other Clubs/resorts later but I don't see Wyndham (RCI) or Marriott (Interval) making their own resorts available to DEX, therefore severely limiting the number of quality resorts to trade into.

 

[HuskerATL]

If this may be of interest - Embarc Legacy members of Extraordinary Escapes have access to DEX - without buying into Max. It was added 2 years ago to replace Interval, which members can still use however, by getting a membership directly with II. It has a long ways to go before matching II offerings.
DEX is basically an internal DRI/Embarc Exchange group right now with available locations being mostly HVC (former Diamond) locations. It works based on a 6-tier system where when you deposit points you have to decide in which tier you are depositing - and where they make their "money" is that you have to be be lucky to book something in the tier you originally selected to deposit your points. If it's higher tier, you pay with your points + cash, if it's a lower tier, you lose the extra unused points.
They may expand it to other Clubs/resorts later but I don't see Wyndham (RCI) or Marriott (Interval) making their own resorts available to DEX, therefore severely limiting the number of quality resorts to trade into.

Interesting. I thought DeX allowed exchange outside DRI but what you are saying is that it just an internal exchange.... Basically what HGV is for HGVC and HC.

 

[cd5]

Interesting. I thought DeX allowed exchange outside DRI but what you are saying is that it just an internal exchange.... Basically what HGV is for HGVC and HC.

That may be their plan but right now, it's mostly DRI resorts that show up as available. It was started before Hilton took over. They'd have to attract other resort systems to make their rooms available in DEX as well as other systems like RCI and II and that may not be that easy depending on the contract the resorts have with the other 2 exchange companies. They say there are over 4,800 locations to choose from but when one looks for availability it's simply not there. In fact, there are even closed/bankrupt resorts in their listings that one would never be able to book because they simply don't exist any more. I certainly wouldn't buy Max based on getting access to DEX as I personally find it a very disappointing offering.

 

[HuskerATL]

That may be their plan but right now, it's mostly DRI resorts that show up as available. It was started before Hilton took over. They'd have to attract other resort systems to make their rooms available in DEX as well as other systems like RCI and II and that may not be that easy depending on the contract the resorts have with the other 2 exchange companies. They say there are over 4,800 locations to choose from but when one looks for availability it's simply not there. In fact, there are even closed/bankrupt resorts in their listings that one would never be able to book because they simply don't exist any more. I certainly wouldn't buy Max based on getting access to DEX as I personally find it a very disappointing offering.

That is good to know. That many locations implies outside DRI/Embarc but maybe that is aspirational with the thought of adding access to other exchanges.

One thing nice about some of the HGV properties, is that they have access to II but I haven't tried it

 

[escanoe]

The common understanding on TUG is that DEX HAS access to RCI inventory.

Here is a starting point, but there is a lot more evidence than this.

Proof that DeX is affiliated with RCI

From the translation of the Marriott 2nd quarter conference call (https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2021/07/29/marriott-vacations-worldwide-corp-vac-q2-2021-earn/ or https://ir.marriottvacationsworldwide.com/static-files/b2ad5679-d348-488a-8a95-2528281856f6) Charles Patrick Scholes...

tugbbs.com

That may be their plan but right now, it's mostly DRI resorts that show up as available. It was started before Hilton took over. They'd have to attract other resort systems to make their rooms available in DEX as well as other systems like RCI and II and that may not be that easy depending on the contract the resorts have with the other 2 exchange companies. They say there are over 4,800 locations to choose from but when one looks for availability it's simply not there. In fact, there are even closed/bankrupt resorts in their listings that one would never be able to book because they simply don't exist any more. I certainly wouldn't buy Max based on getting access to DEX as I personally find it a very disappointing offering.

 

[cd5]

The common understanding on TUG is that DEX HAS access to RCI inventory.

Here is a starting point, but there is a lot more evidence than this.

Proof that DeX is affiliated with RCI

From the translation of the Marriott 2nd quarter conference call (https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2021/07/29/marriott-vacations-worldwide-corp-vac-q2-2021-earn/ or https://ir.marriottvacationsworldwide.com/static-files/b2ad5679-d348-488a-8a95-2528281856f6) Charles Patrick Scholes...

tugbbs.com

It's possible but what I can tell you is that I have RCI separately and when I look at DEX and then RCI, there's a lot less in DEX (not same resorts, ex found Kingsland in RCI, it not in DEX, found Wyndham in Kaui on RCI, was not in DEX etc.) I don't know how RCI inventory is made available in DEX but it's definitely not the full selection. Availability is mostly DRI locations. I wouldn't let RCI go to use only DEX.