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Abound resale opinions desired

Which is exactly why I was asking the questions. Thanks for the responses. Sounds like deeded weeks with low entry price and low MFs are the way to go and going through II would work well for us when combined with our existing HGVC available inventory. I will see what I can get and go from there.
It may or may not be. But without a real world comparison, you'll never know the relative costs and likely reserveability (fake word).
 
It may or may not be. But without a real world comparison, you'll never know the relative costs and likely reserveability (fake word).
There were a couple of real world comparisons left above. I know what my travel plans are and based on those and the input of everyone, it seems the deeded weeks would work better and be more cost-effective for us.
 
If you give us an idea around the Vistana or MVC resorts you would like to visit and the time of year, you will get a much more nuanced sense of what is possible trading in II. I lock off my 2 bedroom Sheraton Desert Oasis and my 2 bedroom Marriott Grande Vista. I get two trades with each. I use them to ski in Colorado and Utah getting a 2 or 3 bedroom ski week for a total cost of $1100 to 1200 USD per week. I have also traded into a 1 bedroom in Cancun.

Peak school vacation weeks are tougher, but summer weeks in Hilton Head or Myrtle Beach are within reach.

All great value trades.
 
I would not buy points. I do t think a GOOD resale week is the best option. Either something to use most of the time OR a good trading option and use it OR use II. IF one wants points around the 4000 range, I'd look at retail options that might be a similar price (St.Kitts or Spain likely).
 
I would not buy points. I do t think a GOOD resale week is the best option. Either something to use most of the time OR a good trading option and use it OR use II. IF one wants points around the 4000 range, I'd look at retail options that might be a similar price (St.Kitts or Spain likely).
yeah, I think that makes sense. Is there a point value chart somewhere for each property?
 
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My guess is they are looking for the election value. It really only matters for those foreign resorts where you can do this on a resale. Still too much lack of knowledge to consider buying anything yet.
 
yeah, I think that makes sense. Is there a point value chart somewhere for each property?
It’s important to note that, unlike HGVC that you are familiar with, where the points cost to book a week is equal to the point value an owner gets for his week to use for Club reservations, that is not the case with Marriott.

In MVC, each week that is enrolled in Abound is assigned a point value based on unit size, season, and location. That value is generally a little less that what it would cost to book the same unit/week/resort using the points charts others have posted in posts 31 & 32. We refer to that differential as the Marriott “skim”. The assumption is they do this to account for the orphan nights that happen in the exchange system when owners book less than 7 night stays leaving scattered nights unused. It helps keep the system in balance.

There is no official MVC list that I know of that discloses what each enrolled week yields in Abound points. Owners learn this for their specific week when they buy an enrolled week. Just be advised to get an enrolled week, you have to buy it direct from Marriott at their retail prices. External third party resale weeks cannot play in Abound.
 
yeah, I think that makes sense. Is there a point value chart somewhere for each property?
Getting points of any form is going to be an expensive proposition. Cheapest going in might not be best when you consider the yearly fees. If I were starting from scratch, wanted a moderate number of points (say 5000 to 80000), I'd look at my planned usage. For many that might be a resort to use AND a good trading resort as it's unlikely you'll find both in one single resort. Then I'd look at enrolling keeping both price AND yearly fees in mind. Of course there are many variations depending on your preferences and desired usage. For the trading resort I'd likely put Grand Vista at the top due to its availability resale, higher than average points if elected for points, lower yearly fees AND wide Platinum window. The best deals I've seen have been at the Spanish resorts but there have been some specials for St. Kitt's as well. I can't speak to the non Spanish, none Western Hemisphere resorts though, I have no knowledge for those.

If you'll lay out how you plan to use this including planning timeline, location, unit size, and location preferences; we could offer more concrete suggestions.
 
I'm not an MVC owner - the costs always scared me off every time. I was recently considering doing the resale week and trading via II, but it still sounds like there's lots of "junk fees" perhaps. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding Abound and being able to trade your week in II. I did get some close to free II traders that are independent, and that sometimes pull Marriott (though not premium weeks / locations), and also got getaways and have booked MVC in Orlando area 2x that way.

My take away is MVC are nicer resorts, but you really have to consider if the 2-4x cost (that I've seen vs independents or HGVC) is worth it. Also, II is very much like a slot machine, you just cannot KNOW in advance, before you own a resort, how it'll trade or what it'll pull. At least IME. II is significantly harder to book in for me than RCI, at least unless you're looking at Orlando, Branson, Las Vegas - the overbuilt areas. But the resorts in II are nicer. Someday I'll update my video on this to have an independent RCI account with points but the general idea is IMHO reasonable here:

So - keep that in mind. II is a lot more work, but can get you good trades, and I guess especially with identified MVC traders, though their buy in is pretty high.
 
I'm not an MVC owner - the costs always scared me off every time. I was recently considering doing the resale week and trading via II, but it still sounds like there's lots of "junk fees" perhaps. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding Abound and being able to trade your week in II.
You are misunderstanding.
No junk fees when purchasing a resale week- just the cost to the owner and then yearly maintenance.
II membership is $100 per year ( less if you buy multiple years).
Exchange fee is $239 to non abound resorts, discounted in brand.
That’s all thats is required.
 
I'm not an MVC owner - the costs always scared me off every time. I was recently considering doing the resale week and trading via II, but it still sounds like there's lots of "junk fees" perhaps. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding Abound and being able to trade your week in II. I did get some close to free II traders that are independent, and that sometimes pull Marriott (though not premium weeks / locations), and also got getaways and have booked MVC in Orlando area 2x that way.

My take away is MVC are nicer resorts, but you really have to consider if the 2-4x cost (that I've seen vs independents or HGVC) is worth it. Also, II is very much like a slot machine, you just cannot KNOW in advance, before you own a resort, how it'll trade or what it'll pull. At least IME. II is significantly harder to book in for me than RCI, at least unless you're looking at Orlando, Branson, Las Vegas - the overbuilt areas. But the resorts in II are nicer. Someday I'll update my video on this to have an independent RCI account with points but the general idea is IMHO reasonable here:

So - keep that in mind. II is a lot more work, but can get you good trades, and I guess especially with identified MVC traders, though their buy in is pretty high.
There are alot of costs with HGVC too, banking fees, booking fees if you are not booking at your own resort. I think HGVC fees are comparable to II membership exchange fees. We were going to get a few free HGVC weeks off Timeshare Nation and nixed that idea when we realized that HGVC nickel and dime you to death.
 
You are misunderstanding.
No junk fees when purchasing a resale week- just the cost to the owner and then yearly maintenance.
II membership is $100 per year ( less if you buy multiple years).
Exchange fee is $239 to non abound resorts, discounted in brand.
That’s all thats is required.
... $199 exchange fees if you trade into Marriott-Vistana family.
 
You are misunderstanding.
No junk fees when purchasing a resale week- just the cost to the owner and then yearly maintenance.
II membership is $100 per year ( less if you buy multiple years).
Exchange fee is $239 to non abound resorts, discounted in brand.
That’s all thats is required.
Oh, that sounds a lot better.
 
There are alot of costs with HGVC too, banking fees, booking fees if you are not booking at your own resort. I think HGVC fees are comparable to II membership exchange fees. We were going to get a few free HGVC weeks off Timeshare Nation and nixed that idea when we realized that HGVC nickel and dime you to death.
They're better than II fees, in that you already have the club membership for the resort and that also kinda pays for RCI. So you really only have the $80 booking fee, which is substantially less than the $239 II exchange fee, though MVC to MVC might be lower or free - I'm not clear on that. To bank points it does cost, but borrowing is free, so many just run a deficit instead of paying to bank.
 
though MVC to MVC might be lower or free - I'm not clear on that.
In II to exchange from a resale (unenrolled) MVC week to an MVC, Sheraton or Westin week the exchange fee is discounted to $199.

When you talk about banking points, you are referring to Club points, which resale wees aren't eligible for. There is no fee to bank or borrow MVC club points.
 
In II to exchange from a resale (unenrolled) MVC week to an MVC, Sheraton or Westin week the exchange fee is discounted to $199.

When you talk about banking points, you are referring to Club points, which resale wees aren't eligible for. There is no fee to bank or borrow MVC club points.
Sorry, I was replying to HGVC having as many fees, saying that compared to an unenrolled resale week a resale HGVC week charges ~$80 for an exchange, looks like it's $199 in MVC. And the points stuff was HGVC as everyone gets points, though there is the now $750 activation fee, I think that's still significantly less and doesn't scale with point values from a week unlike the $3/point extra charge to get the Abound points (if I understand correctly).

I guess I'm still back to MVC has location advantages over HGVC but no matter how I slice it, even resale, MVC is (at least ot me) noticeably more expensive, and I am feeling better about trying to get MVC locations via II independent traders, getaways vs ownership.
 
I am feeling better about trying to get MVC locations via II independent traders, getaways vs ownership.
It's a strategy that can work well if you want shoulder season, don't need larger units and can be flexible about location.

You can get down below $1,000/week incl fees with an MVC high season 2bed lock off for much greater reliability and choice of MVC exchanges, but probably not much lower.
 
It's a strategy that can work well if you want shoulder season, don't need larger units and can be flexible about location.

You can get down below $1,000/week incl fees with an MVC high season 2bed lock off for much greater reliability and choice of MVC exchanges, but probably not much lower.
Oh, well, given that's lower than my current fees, I may someday look into it if the up front is low enough. I would be wanting sub $1,300 and of course lower is better right lol.
 
It's a strategy that can work well if you want shoulder season, don't need larger units and can be flexible about location.

You can get down below $1,000/week incl fees with an MVC high season 2bed lock off for much greater reliability and choice of MVC exchanges, but probably not much lower.
How do you get below $1,000/week? I believe that Grand Chateau has the lowest MF of the lockoff traders, and MFs were $1,576.23 this year, add $90 to lockoff and two exchange fees of $199 and you're already over $1,000/week without accounting for room size upgrades, e-plus, or II membership.
 
How do you get below $1,000/week? I believe that Grand Chateau has the lowest MF of the lockoff traders, and MFs were $1,576.23 this year, add $90 to lockoff and two exchange fees of $199 and you're already over $1,000/week without accounting for room size upgrades, e-plus, or II membership.
Wait, you have to pay for II membership too? It's not included?
 
Wait, you have to pay for II membership too? It's not included?
Nope.

Interval is included if your unit is enrolled in Abound, but as stated above, enrolling a resale week costs tens of thousands of dollars.
 
Wait, you have to pay for II membership too? It's not included?

I said that in my post #37 above.

Also note- the fees are not MVC fees, then are II fees.
MVC does not have an internal weeks exchange system
You use II- with in brand priority for exchange.
So the $99/ yr II membership fee and the exchange fee of $239 ($199 in brand) are paid to II- everyone using II pays these regardless of brand owned.

If you own Abound points or a week enrolled in Abound you pay club dues and that includes your II membership and in brand exchange fees with the enrolled week. Points can exchange on II, but not in brand.
 
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Wait, you have to pay for II membership too? It's not included?
Yes, unless your week is enrolled, but that would not be applicable to any new resale purchases.

You're overall cost per week will depend on a few factors, type of II membership matters, if you prepay for multiple years the cost per year goes down, if you pay for platinum then that is an additional cost but your room size upgrades are less, the more weeks you have, the more spread out that cost is per week. Also whether you choose to pay for e-plus or not and whether you are upgrading to 2 bedrooms or sticking with studios or 1 bedrooms, though you get the best value when you do upgrade to 2 bedroom units.

The additional fees shouldn't turn you away from a Marriott trader though, it offers great value when you take into account the trades you can get, I think I get much better value out of it than with my Wyndham points.
 
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