2024 Club Rules are out

[HuskerATL]

Well, the new club rules are out and they have a few changes with one being a much better intro section, glossary of terms, etc. Not to pat myself on the back or anything but they are calling Hilton Club....HC (not bHC or aHC). See the new HH conversion table below...

I will need to compare to 2023 and 2024 more to see all the changes.

 

[Eric B]

Not to pat myself on the back or anything but they are calling Hilton Club....HC (not bHC or aHC).

They're only part way there. The phrase "by Hilton Club" appears six times in the rules although they do use "Hilton Club Priority Reservations" and "Hilton Club Priority" in a few spots. Also, my points for those resorts are still labeled as "By Hilton Club" points on the website.

 

[HuskerATL]

They're only part way there. The phrase "by Hilton Club" appears six times in the rules although they do use "Hilton Club Priority Reservations" and "Hilton Club Priority" in a few spots. Also, my points for those resorts are still labeled as "By Hilton Club" points on the website.

You can't expect HGVC to be consistent, can you?

 

[Eric B]

You can't expect HGVC to be consistent, can you?

I like to think of it as aspirational constructive criticism....

 

[CalGalTraveler]

[This needs work. There is missing info in the Elite tier fees. ChatGPT is struggling with Phone/Online fee schedule breakdown so needs more prompting to render correct fees. HGVC fees are so complicated it confuses ChatGPT! More updates later]

Quick and dirty I threw both 2023 and 2024 fee docs Appendix 1 into the ChatGPT blender to create tables to compare the fees and percentage change between 2023 and 2024. Here is a first pass for the legacy (Note: ChatGPT can be wrong. LMK of any discrepancies and I will correct):


HGVClub Fee Schedule Comparison for Legacy Members*

Fee Type	2023 HGVC	2024 HGVC	Percentage Increase
Annual Club Dues (US/Canada)	$199	$209	5.03%
Annual Club Dues (Outside US/Canada)	$234	$245	4.70%
Inclusive Club Dues (US/Canada)	$336	$354	5.36%
Inclusive Club Dues (Outside US/Canada)	$363	$379	4.41%
Ownership Change Fee	$460	$474	3.04%
Activation Fee Voluntary (1 Interval)	$399	$399	0.00%

Source: ChatGPT comparison. Errors may exist.

 

[SmithOp]

What jumps out at me for the HH Conversion chart is Max is a downgrade if you don't own HC or PH, can only convert EOY.

Not that it's a great benefit, but why restrict it?

 

[HuskerATL]

What jumps out at me for the HH Conversion chart is Max is a downgrade if you don't own HC or PH, can only convert EOY.

Not that it's a great benefit, but why restrict it?

That has been from the start. New HGV Max owners have EOY HH conversion....not sure why they did that though.

 

[HuskerATL]

Hoping the charge for EP guest certs is an error in the table. I tested it with a guest cert and it didn't charge me so it must be an error in the table.

 

[will.i.am]

Hoping the charge for EP guest certs is an error in the table. I tested it with a guest cert and it didn't charge me so it much be an error in the table.

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I'm pretty sure it's just a typo

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Shows it's still complimentary.

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[CalGalTraveler]

For Ease of Reference here is the 2023 Fee Chart:

To compare here is the 2024 Fee Chart:

 

[Yzfguy06]

Hoping the charge for EP guest certs is an error in the table. I tested it with a guest cert and it didn't charge me so it must be an error in the table.

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Does this chart work off of total points or a single deed?

 

[Eric B]

Does this chart work off of total points or a single deed?

The chart is for non-HGVC Max owners and is keyed to elite status, which is based on how many points were purchased from HGVC. There’s a different chart for HGVC Max owners that is set up similarly. Bottom line is that resale points don’t count towards the points listed with certain exceptions (e.g., purchases of resale ownership from HGVC in Scotland or at some affiliates on the Gulf Coast).

 

[Yzfguy06]

The chart is for non-HGVC Max owners and is keyed to elite status, which is based on how many points were purchased from HGVC. There’s a different chart for HGVC Max owners that is set up similarly. Bottom line is that resale points don’t count towards the points listed with certain exceptions (e.g., purchases of resale ownership from HGVC in Scotland or at some affiliates on the Gulf Coast).

So if you’re a resale owner this chart doesn’t apply then? I own 3 resale deeds and have 30k something points.

 

[Eric B]

So if you’re a resale owner this chart doesn’t apply then? I own 3 resale deeds and have 30k something points.

It does apply to you, but you actually own 0 points for the purposes of the chart and are in the left column- <22,399 points.

 

[Yzfguy06]

It does apply to you, but you actually own 0 points for the purposes of the chart and are in the left column- <22,399 points.

Awesome! Thanks hgvc lol.

 

[Eric B]

For Ease of Reference here is the 2023 Fee Chart:

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To compare here is the 2024 Fee Chart:

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There’s another oddity - they changed it from <22,400 to <22,399 for the first column. Because the second column starts at 22,400 and they didn’t make it less than or equal to 22,399 that puts people owning 22,399 points in limbo. Not sure how anyone would get there, but it’s another aspirational suggestion for them ….

 

[Talent312]

Why couldn't they just say anything you do
is the same amount, like $120 or something?

My attitude is this:
Just tell me what I owe and put it on my CC.

 

[HuskerATL]

It does apply to you, but you actually own 0 points for the purposes of the chart and are in the left column- <22,399 points.

I think it is a typo but why they would even change the table, other than just updating the amounts, doesn't make sense.

 

[Nomad420]

Hoping the charge for EP guest certs is an error in the table. I tested it with a guest cert and it didn't charge me so it must be an error in the table.

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Guest certs states complimentary for home week, I get that but at HCNY you get no "home week" so a bit of screw there.

 

[HuskerATL]

Guest certs states complimentary for home week, I get that but at HCNY you get no "home week" so a bit of screw there.

Yep but EP get unlimited comp guest certs for both HW and club reservations. You don't miss much with HW....I have them and never use them.

 

[Eric B]

Guest certs states complimentary for home week, I get that but at HCNY you get no "home week" so a bit of screw there.

Doesn't HCNY have a different set of rules?

 

[Nomad420]

Yep but EP get unlimited comp guest certs for both HW and club reservations. You don't miss much with HW....I have them and never use them.

By "club" I assume you mean HC, and I was told I indeed needed to pay for my daughter staying at HCNY (see recent posts). No comp there which I thought was strange.

 

[HuskerATL]

By "club" I assume you mean HC, and I was told I indeed needed to pay for my daughter staying at HCNY (see recent posts). No comp there which I thought was strange.

No. In HGVC, reservations made 9 months or less are called Club Reservations. Not to confuse them with Hilton Club or The Club (DRI). Most owners have to pay for guest certs for club reservations but Elite Premier don't. HW guest certs are free for everyone.

 

[Nomad420]

No. In HGVC, reservations made 9 months or less are called Club Reservations. Not to confuse them with Hilton Club or The Club (DRI). Most owners have to pay for guest certs for club reservations but Elite Premier don't. HW guest certs are free for everyone.

Ahhh, a bit confusing. HC reservations 9 months or less still pay guest pass fees it must be specific for HGVC to further cloud the issue. I haven't booked outside of my home property for years so not up on all the nuances with HGVC v. HC, thanks.

 

[Eric B]

Ahhh, a bit confusing. HC reservations 9 months or less still pay guest pass fees it must be specific for HGVC to further cloud the issue. I haven't booked outside of my home property for years so not up on all the nuances with HGVC v. HC, thanks.

I'm completely confused by the conversation on this. I thought you were talking about HCNY (The Hilton Club) rather than the other Hilton Club resorts in NYC (i.e., West 57th, The Central, The Residences, and The Quin). I haven't seen any postings about the HCNY fees for 2024; the 2023 ones were here and don't include a cost for Home Club reservations, which were complimentary while HGVC reservations using HCNY points had a cost for guest certificates ($89 or $64).

For other ownerships in HGVC, including the bHC (or HC to some) resorts (i.e., West 57th, The Central, The Residences, and The Quin) the fees work as per the schedule posted by @CalGalTraveler for non-HGVC Max members. As mentioned by @HuskerATL, Home week guest certificates are free and reservations that are Home Resort Priority, Hilton Club Priority, or HGVClub have the costs in the table. If you're HC rather than HGVC or HGVC Max, you don't fall under these rules. What you're terming an HC reservation within 9 months would seem to be a Home Club reservation, which had complimentary guest certificates last year - I think you'd have to look at the HCNY rules to figure out if those actually cost something now.

Guest certificates are a bit different for HGVC Max members with an allocation of free guest certificates based on the level in the Max system (e.g., HGVC Max Premier + gets 5 free), and a set cost for any additional ones above the allocation ($94 or $69).