[2023] New II Exchange Restrictions For Select Resorts [MERGED]

[SueDonJ]

Moderator Note: Posts 1-9 above have been moved/merged here from the 2024 MF's discussion thread.

 

[dioxide45]

@alwaysonvacation can you check Aruba Surf club (Not Ocean Club) or MVC St Thomas or St Kitts using your Vistana ownership?

I don't think the limitation is based on ownership type or what you are trading with. That "important advisements" text is the same regardless.

 

[dioxide45]

Only getaways mention on KAA. Nothing mentioned on MMO, MM1, MKW, KAN, SKR, WNA, and WPV.

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Thanks for this. I have updated the list;

Getaway Only Restriction - Purchase of Getaways to this property limited to not more than three Getaway confirmations per concurrent week, per membership. Confirmations not adhering to this restriction are subject to cancellation.

• Marriott's Marbella Beach Resort
• The Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas

Three Confirmations in a Calendar Year Restriction - This resort limits the number of Confirmations that may be made by a Member, including without limitation, those made in connection with an exchange, Getaway and/or accommodation certificate to no more than 3 during each calendar year. Any Confirmations made in violation of this restriction will be subject to cancellation.

• Marriott's Aruba Surf Club
• Marriott's Frenchman's Cove
• Marriott's Mountain Valley Lodge
• Marriott's St. Kitts Beach Club
• Marriott's StreamSide - Birch
• Marriott's StreamSide - Douglas
• Sheraton Lakeside Terrace Villas at Mountain Vista
• Sheraton Mountain Vista

Resort codes still unconfirmed - BPW,HRA,MFL,MNY,MQB,MGQ,MVK,MBF,MMI,MKI,MKB,MWO,MAW,WCU,WSJ

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

Thanks for this. I have updated the list;

Getaway Only Restriction - Purchase of Getaways to this property limited to not more than three Getaway confirmations per concurrent week, per membership. Confirmations not adhering to this restriction are subject to cancellation.

• Marriott's Marbella Beach Resort
• The Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas

Three Confirmations in a Calendar Year Restriction - This resort limits the number of Confirmations that may be made by a Member, including without limitation, those made in connection with an exchange, Getaway and/or accommodation certificate to no more than 3 during each calendar year. Any Confirmations made in violation of this restriction will be subject to cancellation.

• Marriott's Aruba Surf Club
• Marriott's Frenchman's Cove
• Marriott's St. Kitts Beach Club
• Marriott's StreamSide - Birch
• Marriott's StreamSide - Douglas
• Sheraton Lakeside Terrace Villas at Mountain Vista
• Sheraton Mountain Vista

Resort codes still unconfirmed - BPW,HRA,MFL,MNY,MQB,MGQ,MVK,MBF,MMI,MKI,MKB,MWO,MAW,WCU,WSJ

Maybe @SueDonJ or @TUGBrian can make a sticky for this..........






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[sponger76]

Thanks for this. I have updated the list;

Getaway Only Restriction - Purchase of Getaways to this property limited to not more than three Getaway confirmations per concurrent week, per membership. Confirmations not adhering to this restriction are subject to cancellation.

• Marriott's Marbella Beach Resort
• The Westin Ka'anapali Ocean Resort Villas

Three Confirmations in a Calendar Year Restriction - This resort limits the number of Confirmations that may be made by a Member, including without limitation, those made in connection with an exchange, Getaway and/or accommodation certificate to no more than 3 during each calendar year. Any Confirmations made in violation of this restriction will be subject to cancellation.

• Marriott's Aruba Surf Club
• Marriott's Frenchman's Cove
• Marriott's St. Kitts Beach Club
• Marriott's StreamSide - Birch
• Marriott's StreamSide - Douglas
• Sheraton Lakeside Terrace Villas at Mountain Vista
• Sheraton Mountain Vista

Resort codes still unconfirmed - BPW,HRA,MFL,MNY,MQB,MGQ,MVK,MBF,MMI,MKI,MKB,MWO,MAW,WCU,WSJ

Marriott's Mountain Valley Lodge (MVL) also has the three confirmations restriction.

 

[dioxide45]

Marriott's Mountain Valley Lodge (MVL) also has the three confirmations restriction.

Thanks. I had that property marked as no restrictions. So either I missed it (most likely) or they updated it since I checked it on Saturday. I suspect I marked it incorrectly as I remember seeing the note about no a/c. I have edited my prior post.

 

[sponger76]

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what the common thread is on the resorts that have the 3 confirmation restriction vs the ones that don't.

I have noticed there are no Westins, though you have one with just the Getaway restriction.

I even compared within specific geographic areas, and the only similarity I noticed, which I'm sure has zero actual impact on why, is that all of the Colorado resorts across Marriott/Sheration/Westin that don't have the restrictions are the ones that have air conditioning in the units, and all of the ones that don't have air conditioning do have the restriction. Within the Streamside complex, I Evergreen, which is not included, has in-room a/c but Birch and Douglas, which are, don't have in-room a/c. Sheraton's Mountain Vista and Lakeside Terrace, and Marriott's Mountain Valley Lodge are all included on the list and don't have in-room a/c. Sheraton Steamboat and Westin Riverfront have in-room a/c and are not on the list. Again, just a funny coincidence but not something that would actually account for inclusion or non-inclusion.

Maybe it's just something that MVW put out to the resorts to make on an individual basis?

 

[Huskerpaul]

I'm guessing I could use the Interval Gold membership I get being a DVC owner for additional getaways if I wanted more than three getaways at a resort with a cap. Have not found a use for it so far since I have a different membership for my MVC weeks and Worldmark credits.

 

[dioxide45]

I'm guessing I could use the Interval Gold membership I get being a DVC owner for additional getaways if I wanted more than three getaways at a resort with a cap. Have not found a use for it so far since I have a different membership for my MVC weeks and Worldmark credits.

Yes. That would work too. Though you won’t get a good of a discount if you have Platinum II membership on your main account. We could do the same with our Vistana membership but it is only a regular membership.

 

[bobpark56]

Nothing on Lagunamar as far as I can see.
Indeed sales will spin this to add to the stories that II will become unusable for owners.
Please do put sales to the test, just to make sure that they are absolutely current on the recent change

Vistana/Lagunamar would not let us book for longer than 21 nights. There don't appear to be annual limits, though. We were able to book an additional 5 nights, but as a separate booking...for a total of 26 nights.

 

[bobpark56]

Aruba is a fairly easy exchange and they are currently selling Caribbean weeks there (Aruba & St Kitts). I am sure there are active sales in St Thomas, though I don't know about StreamSide. That is a pretty old resort. The odd thing about StreamSide is that there are several other Marriott and Vistana resorts in close proximity, but none of them have exchange restrictions.

Aruba surf club was not showing any 2BR availability, last I looked.

 

[GrayFal]

Vistana/Lagunamar would not let us book for longer than 21 nights. There don't appear to be annual limits, though. We were able to book an additional 5 nights, but as a separate booking...for a total of 26 nights.

That is the Vistana rule 21 days, so yes, you needed to make a second resie.
At WSJ it is 14 days, not 21=

 

[pedro47]

I feel that these resorts are filled most of the time (at 90% or more) and there are no true off season or low time.

 

[sponger76]

I feel that these resorts are filled most of the time (at 90% or more) and there are no true off season or low time.

Those Colorado resorts definitely have off season/low time, during mud season.

 

[Red elephant]

That is the Vistana rule 21 days, so yes, you needed to make a second resie.
At WSJ it is 14 days, not 21=

At WSJ using homeoptions I have done 16 days in a studio.

 

[dioxide45]

Vistana/Lagunamar would not let us book for longer than 21 nights. There don't appear to be annual limits, though. We were able to book an additional 5 nights, but as a separate booking...for a total of 26 nights.

That is a rule when using StarOptions and doesn't really apply here.

 

[dioxide45]

That is the Vistana rule 21 days, so yes, you needed to make a second resie.
At WSJ it is 14 days, not 21=

I think when it comes to HomeOptions, like certain WSJ phases and a of the flex programs, they are limited to 14 day reservations.

 

[dioxide45]

I reached out to II to inquire about this and was informed that the advisements/restrictions were added inadvertently and would be removed. I looked at all the resorts and see that it has been removed from all except for St Kitts. Perhaps they missed that one. I will ask about that resort.

 

[sponger76]

I reached out to II to inquire about this and was informed that the advisements/restrictions were added inadvertently and would be removed. I looked at all the resorts and see that it has been removed from all except for St Kitts. Perhaps they missed that one. I will ask about that resort.

So, much ado about nothing? Still curious about why it happened to some resorts and not others.

 

[dioxide45]

So, much ado about nothing? Still curious about why it happened to some resorts and not others.

I have posed the question to II about why such language would have been written in the first place.

 

[bnoble]

Probably some low-level copywriter that got "three concurrent weeks" confused with "three weeks, period"

 

[dioxide45]

Given that someone had to come up with this text, I asked the quesiton as to if there were plans to add such a restriction. There apparently isn't, but this text does exist in the II terms and conditions and the verbiage dates back a while. The same text is in the 2018 buyers guide.

 

[pedro47]

Those Colorado resorts definitely have off season/low time, during mud season.

When is mud season in Colorado ?

 

[rickandcindy23]

When is mud season in Colorado ?

Mid-April-early June; early October-just before Christmas. That's a rough idea of mud season. Kids are in school, no skiing happening, too cool for hiking.

But honestly, we just stopped by Westin Riverfront on our way back from California, and that place was hopping.

 

[frank808]

@frank808
Heads up possible MKO (Ko Olina) limitations.

I didn't find that indicated on the Resort Advertisement Page today for an II exchange using my Vistana week.

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I got nothing recently and booked about 30 weeks next year for MKO. Did not get any email saying I was limited to 3 exchanges a year at MKO.

I wonder what they would do if I book more than 3 weeks with my Abound points. Or use the 13 weeks I own at MKO?