[ 2023 ] Just want to rant LMR

[CO skier]

Also, remember that a lot of RCI last call inventory has gone for $199 a week...

I recently booked an RCI January ski season week at Flagstaff, AZ for $320 all-in, four months out. That certainly puts the TUG LMR at $800/week at 45 days in (a generous) perspective.

 

[TUGBrian]

the issue is, and always has been that some people feel the LMR section should allow them to cover more of their maintenance fees some even wanting to be able to cover ALL of their maintenance fees, instead of it being a place specifically designed to offer intervals that are going to expire at extremely discounted rates.

the marketplace exists to allow owners the ability to post any rental, at any time, for any amount.

 

[PhilD41]

I hear, and understand, what everyone is saying regrading the last ditch effort to recoup $ from a reservation, or asking for a bargain at the last minute. I don't take office and do expect much else. However, the forum is titled "Last Minute Timeshare Rentals." The request forum doesn't even used the term "bargain" in the name. There are MANY other reasons to be requesting a last minute rental, from extending a work trip to needing to visit family and looking for a condo for the visit. Most of these reasons have nothing to do with a bargain or even looking for one.

I have talked to many people that use the form as another method to request a stay when there isn't a lot of time to work the normal channels, or it is an emergency of sorts and they want as many opportunities to find something as possible. In this case, restricting the offering to $800 is limiting. I may be able to meet a need, but I am not going to loose money on it. Individuals are free to ignore those outside of the range they are looking for. I guess my point is just that on the request side specifically, it seems more restrictive and limiting options for individuals.

I initial question was more around the idea that I assumed the prices were set where they were for a reason, and it would make sense to have them move with the increase in cost. I heard loud and clear that isn't the intent... so I won't worry about it. Oh and Merry Christmas everyone!!

 

[CO skier]

I guess Hawaii is not an unreasonable expectation

 

[TUGBrian]

I hear, and understand, what everyone is saying regrading the last ditch effort to recoup $ from a reservation, or asking for a bargain at the last minute. I don't take office and do expect much else. However, the forum is titled "Last Minute Timeshare Rentals." The request forum doesn't even used the term "bargain" in the name. There are MANY other reasons to be requesting a last minute rental, from extending a work trip to needing to visit family and looking for a condo for the visit. Most of these reasons have nothing to do with a bargain or even looking for one.

I have talked to many people that use the form as another method to request a stay when there isn't a lot of time to work the normal channels, or it is an emergency of sorts and they want as many opportunities to find something as possible. In this case, restricting the offering to $800 is limiting. I may be able to meet a need, but I am not going to loose money on it. Individuals are free to ignore those outside of the range they are looking for. I guess my point is just that on the request side specifically, it seems more restrictive and limiting options for individuals.

I initial question was more around the idea that I assumed the prices were set where they were for a reason, and it would make sense to have them move with the increase in cost. I heard loud and clear that isn't the intent... so I won't worry about it. Oh and Merry Christmas everyone!!

actually that forum is named last minute discount timeshare rentals offered....

 

[davidvel]

I hear, and understand, what everyone is saying regrading the last ditch effort to recoup $ from a reservation, or asking for a bargain at the last minute. I don't take office and do expect much else. However, the forum is titled "Last Minute Timeshare Rentals." The request forum doesn't even used the term "bargain" in the name. There are MANY other reasons to be requesting a last minute rental, from extending a work trip to needing to visit family and looking for a condo for the visit. Most of these reasons have nothing to do with a bargain or even looking for one.

I have talked to many people that use the form as another method to request a stay when there isn't a lot of time to work the normal channels, or it is an emergency of sorts and they want as many opportunities to find something as possible. In this case, restricting the offering to $800 is limiting. I may be able to meet a need, but I am not going to loose money on it. Individuals are free to ignore those outside of the range they are looking for. I guess my point is just that on the request side specifically, it seems more restrictive and limiting options for individuals.

I initial question was more around the idea that I assumed the prices were set where they were for a reason, and it would make sense to have them move with the increase in cost. I heard loud and clear that isn't the intent... so I won't worry about it. Oh and Merry Christmas everyone!!

Brian owns the website and makes the rules which he clearly sets forth in the post above yours.

The forum is intended as an avenue for people to get rid of a unit they can't use at the last minute and recoup some costs, not necessarily for people to find a week at the last minute.

 

[dioxide45]

actually that forum is named last minute discount timeshare rentals offered....

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Brian owns the website and makes the rules which he clearly sets forth in the post above yours.

The forum is intended as an avenue for people to get rid of a unit they can't use at the last minute and recoup some costs, not necessarily for people to find a week at the last minute.

This thread is literally about the "Timeshare Rentals Wanted" forum. I believe the title of this thread referred to LMR, but the first sentence of the first post of this thread refers to rentals wanted. Ya'll are looking at the wrong thing...

As for the Timeshare Rentals Wanted forum, I don't think there should be any limit on price. If someone is looking for something, owners with something to offer should be able to negotiate the terms. IOW, beggars shouldn't be choosers.

 

[TUGBrian]

i guess if i have to change the name of that there to avoid confusion I can, though it hasnt been necessary to this point.

 

[dioxide45]

i guess if i have to change the name of that there to avoid confusion I can, though it hasnt been necessary to this point.

The question isn't necessarily about it being last minute or not. Though if it has 45 day restriction, it should probably reflect last minute in the title. The original question was really around the price limit. It is perhaps understandable that public posts be limited to $800/wk or $115/nt, I don't really know if that even needs to be called out. The original rant was about unrealistic expectations and people getting grumpy in private DMs when the owner asked for more than $115 a night.

 

[davidvel]

The question isn't necessarily about it being last minute or not. Though if it has 45 day restriction, it should probably reflect last minute in the title. The original question was really around the price limit. It is perhaps understandable that public posts be limited to $800/wk or $115/nt, I don't really know if that even needs to be called out. The original rant was about unrealistic expectations and people getting grumpy in private DMs when the owner asked for more than $115 a night.

This thread definitely took a bit of a turn after the OP's original rant. But it still is about the LMR forumS.

Both "Last Minute Discounted Timeshare Rentals Offered" and the "Timeshare Rentals Wanted" fall under the banner "Last Minute Timeshare Rentals," which states: "Rentals offered and wanted up to 45 days into the future can be entered here. Maximum asking price in public posts is $115/night or $800/wk. Rentals more than 45 days out should be placed in the regular TUG Timeshare Marketplace."

The purpose of these 2 forums has been repeatedly stated by Brian and his moderators. Brian has held firm to these rules, with minor deviation over the years. Despite this, people re-kindle their views that they want something different.

People will always post ignoring the rules, or have expectations that differ with the purpose of those forums. At the same time Brian allows private discussions to differ from the thread posting rules, and offers other public forums to list weeks people want or offer, with no restrictions. To me this seems like a reasonable and fair balance, and these rants offer solutions without a problem.

 

[dioxide45]

This thread definitely took a bit of a turn after the OP's original rant. But it still is about the LMR forumS.

Both "Last Minute Discounted Timeshare Rentals Offered" and the "Timeshare Rentals Wanted" fall under the banner "Last Minute Timeshare Rentals," which states: "Rentals offered and wanted up to 45 days into the future can be entered here. Maximum asking price in public posts is $115/night or $800/wk. Rentals more than 45 days out should be placed in the regular TUG Timeshare Marketplace."

The purpose of these 2 forums has been repeatedly stated by Brian and his moderators. Brian has held firm to these rules, with minor deviation over the years. Despite this, people re-kindle their views that they want something different.

People will always post ignoring the rules, or have expectations that differ with the purpose of those forums. At the same time Brian allows private discussions to differ from the thread posting rules, and offers other public forums to list weeks people want or offer, with no restrictions. To me this seems like a reasonable and fair balance, and these rants offer solutions without a problem.

I agree with the premise and there isn't really anything broken. The limits are simply arbitrary. Nothing wrong with that as a line has to be drawn somewhere. People will always be wanting it to be higher or more like an open rental forum. The LMR offered forum used to be like that but it mostly faded when Wyndham started cracking down on rentals.

Back to the original rant and even some of the more recent posts about rentals wanted. It seems strange that there is a limit cap on how much you are willing to pay for a rental you want. It almost seems like it should be the other way around. If you want something you should have to pay at least $#.## dollars for it. It would be rare that someone is sitting on a week they can't use that just happens to match up with something someone wants. That is like a needle in a haystack. It seems most of the wanted posts are fulfilled by new reservations an owner makes and by arbitrarily limiting what people can ask seems to limit the number of want posts that could be fulfilled. It also seemed odd that someone has a post deleted in the Timeshare Rentals Wanted forum when they were willing to pay more than $800.

 

[bnoble]

If it were me, I'd get rid of the "last minute rentals wanted" forum entirely. An owner who has distressed inventory already has the opportunity to post it. Otherwise, it just turns into a magnet for rental traffic in the various point systems, and that's what the marketplace is for.

But, it's not me, so this opinion is worth every penny you paid for it---and probably less.

 

[dioxide45]

If it were me, I'd get rid of the "last minute rentals wanted" forum entirely. An owner who has distressed inventory already has the opportunity to post it. Otherwise, it just turns into a magnet for rental traffic in the various point systems, and that's what the marketplace is for.

But, it's not me, so this opinion is worth every penny you paid for it---and probably less.

If you look at many of the threads in Timeshare Rentals Wanted, they are mostly started by low post count forum Guests. Looking at other posts from those guests, they are mostly posts in the last minute rentals offered or wanted forums. I would agree that Last Minute Rentals wanted is most fitting for point systems where there may be some left over inventory that could fill the need. Not many people are going to already be sitting on a reservation to fill a wanted post.

 

[SueDonJ]

I once responded to an LMR Wanted ad with the same price as the forum suggests (before the latest change) and the person was shocked, thought I was trying to scam them somehow because all the other responses came in higher than mine. I was using Abound Points with a last-minute discount and it wasn't a prime reservation so it actually would have given me a small profit, so I was completely confused at her hesitation.

When I first became a moderator either I didn't understand the LMR forum rules or the rules weren't clear, and caused a ruckus answering a question about the forum! That wasn't fun AT ALL.

Now I'm afraid to venture into the forum and pretty much ignore it unless I'm first mod to see a Report.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

I would like to keep LMR. I needed a last minute additional room earlier this year to accommodate extra family members for a reunion in Hawaii. Tuggers responded immediately that didn't have an existing listing and had extra trust points available to book.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I am going to rant a bit about the last-minute rentals forum because I have weeks I would like to rent, offered them to several people who requested Myrtle Beach at my cost on the weeks, and I had some rude answers back, I will tell you that. One person wants 2-3 bedroom, preferably oceanfront, for $800 or less. The other person said they didn't want anything that wasn't right next to the Holiday Inn resort.

I am baffled by the ridiculous requests by a few people on the LM forum and the attitude that they can get something for basically nothing, simply because there is a limit of $800 or less for owners who are advertising a rental.

I am not stuck with my weeks, I can deposit them, which is the only reason we bought a bunch of these weeks, and since Covid, our daughter has rented profitably, but this year is even worse than Covid for rentals. It's how it is.

 

[Sandy VDH]

I am the original OP. I vented, I feel better. I don't bother to offer. But the last ridiculous request was for a 4 or 5 Bedroom in Clearwater Beach. I got a good chuckle out of that request. I checked and that was the users 2nd post.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Why are people offended, when you tell them you have something but it's not going to be $800 or less for a 2 bedroom in summer at a popular summer destination? Still I was renting for cost.

I guess they should peruse the TUG Marketplace.

I wonder how many of these people who want LM rentals are brokers? They only post in that one section.

 

[klpca]

Why are people offended, when you tell them you have something but it's not going to be $800 or less for a 2 bedroom in summer at a popular summer destination? Still I was renting for cost.

I guess they should peruse the TUG Marketplace.

I wonder how many of these people who want LM rentals are brokers? They only post in that one section.

I doubt that they are offended. If they were that thin skinned, they wouldn't have made that ridiculous ask in the first place. These folks are trying to guilt someone into bending over backwards for them. I would say "Sorry, can't do it." then never respond again.

 

[SmithOp]

Shenanigans happens in LM offered also, a recent one was responding that he had a higher offer and did I want to outbid. I told him if he had an offer for over the LM rate then he should take it.

 

[regatta333]

But the last ridiculous request was for a 4 or 5 Bedroom in Clearwater Beach. I got a good chuckle out of that request.

I got a good laugh out of it as well. Wyndham has the only timeshare I'm aware of there and it's one of the most difficult reservations to get in the Wyndham system. A reservation at any time of year there is considered an "owner priority" reservation. You are limited to two of these per year for a guest. We stayed there in January for 6 nights. I was on the reservation system at midnight at 10 months out to book it, and the only reservation still available was a handicap-accessible. The 4BD costs 650,000 points for the week, which at an average maintenance cost would be about $4K. This is not a reservation you are picking up in the discount window.

 

[davidvel]

I am going to rant a bit about the last-minute rentals forum because I have weeks I would like to rent, offered them to several people who requested Myrtle Beach at my cost on the weeks, and I had some rude answers back, I will tell you that. One person wants 2-3 bedroom, preferably oceanfront, for $800 or less. The other person said they didn't want anything that wasn't right next to the Holiday Inn resort.

I am baffled by the ridiculous requests by a few people on the LM forum and the attitude that they can get something for basically nothing, simply because there is a limit of $800 or less for owners who are advertising a rental.

I am not stuck with my weeks, I can deposit them, which is the only reason we bought a bunch of these weeks, and since Covid, our daughter has rented profitably, but this year is even worse than Covid for rentals. It's how it is.

How did they contact and make an offer to you if you didn't offer in LMR? Or are you referencing somewhere else?

 

[Sandy VDH]

They are posting in LMR "wanted".

 

[davidvel]

I am going to rant a bit about the last-minute rentals forum because I have weeks I would like to rent, offered them to several people who requested Myrtle Beach at my cost on the weeks, and I had some rude answers back, I will tell you that. One person wants 2-3 bedroom, preferably oceanfront, for $800 or less. The other person said they didn't want anything that wasn't right next to the Holiday Inn resort.

I am baffled by the ridiculous requests by a few people on the LM forum and the attitude that they can get something for basically nothing, simply because there is a limit of $800 or less for owners who are advertising a rental.

I am not stuck with my weeks, I can deposit them, which is the only reason we bought a bunch of these weeks, and since Covid, our daughter has rented profitably, but this year is even worse than Covid for rentals. It's how it is.

I don't understand the rant or what you describe as rude responses (at least based on what you posted.) People are posting wanted ads on a forum with this at the top:

While the rules allow for offline negotiations, it seems perfectly reasonable and logical that someone seeing the banner would think that a rental will be less than 800/week. If anything I would presume that is exactly what they expect whether you are anyone else deems it reasonable.

Also, you note that you don't need to rent and can redeposit the units. The point of the LMR forums (offer and ask) has never been a fair market rental forum. If you are going to consider any offer or response rude merely because it is far less than you think is fair, it does not seem that the LMR forum is the place for you.

 

[pedro47]

Sometimes it may be good to rant and get it off your mind. IMHO