[2018] NEW 5-Night Travel Package Values for Marriott timeshare owners via Marriott Rewards

[SueDonJ]

A TUGger who prefers not to give Marriott the possibility of matching his/her TUG name with his/her Marriott accounts was given a little info today that looks to answer the question of whether the 5-Night packages will still be available to us owners. Below is the complete copy/paste info sent to me; hopefully we'll know more in "a week or so."

Thank you, Anonymous!

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Five-night packages will still be available. I was told that it was 100,000 miles, but I suspect it is actually 110,000 to line up with the new seven-night packages. New chart should be out in a week or so. Here are some of the point values.


............50,000.......100,000
.............Miles........Miles.
--------------------------------
Cat 7.......355,000......430,000
Cat 1-4..................270,000

 

[StevenTing]

If a 1-4 with 100K or 110k Miles is true, that’s actually pretty awesome.

 

[Steve Fatula]

If a 1-4 with 100K or 110k Miles is true, that’s actually pretty awesome.

Well, I had just purchased one July 2, and, it was 235K points for cat1-5. So, it's more than that, and a few less miles, but, not tremendously worse. Likely still the best deal with MR points.

 

[mjm1]

Thanks for posting. I’m glad to hear they will still be offered. Not as good as it was, but still a good use of MRPs. We have almost always used our points for these packages. We need to start rebuilding our balance!

Best regards.

Mike

 

[magicjourney]

I think it is 110k miles for UA, and 100k for other Airlines.
The Cat. 1-4 requires 270k now vs. 235k before, and only gets you 100k miles vs. 120k before.
So basically we are losing 35k marriott points + 20k airline miles for each TP. That's pretty bad in my dictionary.

 

[jpa2825]

I think it is 110k miles for UA, and 100k for other Airlines.
The Cat. 1-4 requires 270k now vs. 235k before, and only gets you 100k miles vs. 120k before.
So basically we are losing 35k marriott points + 20k airline miles for each TP. That's pretty bad in my dictionary.

Comparatively, yes. However, on an absolute scale compared to other ways you can use your MR points, it may still be good value.

I could never get over the obligation to spend 5/7 days at same hotel to pull the trigger -- although I monitored very closely prior to 8.18. If I didn't see the value before, I am less likely to see the value now.

 

[StevenTing]

If you were to do a straight conversion now for mileage, 100K miles would cost you 300K points. In that sense, you're getting a 10% discount plus a 5 night certificate.
Plus, the new 1-4 Category is usable in more locations compared to the old 1-5. I was able to use my certificate for the Kauai Coconut Beach Courtyard. Before that required an old Cat 6.

It's all about setting your expectations. They could get rid of travel packages all together.

 

[jtp1947]

And if you use the new Marriott credit card, you earn 2X points on all purchases versus 1X on the old card and 6X @ Marriott. So there is the expected devaluation but the new card makes up for some of it.

 

[dioxide45]

I think it is 110k miles for UA, and 100k for other Airlines.
The Cat. 1-4 requires 270k now vs. 235k before, and only gets you 100k miles vs. 120k before.
So basically we are losing 35k marriott points + 20k airline miles for each TP. That's pretty bad in my dictionary.

I think the 110,000 came from this thread. It is even confusing because when you look at Marriott's own page on the seven night packages, they have an error. They show both the RewardsPlus (United) and the regular package as including 110,000 miles. I think you are right and it is only 100,000.

 

[MOXJO7282]

And if you use the new Marriott credit card, you earn 2X points on all purchases versus 1X on the old card and 6X @ Marriott. So there is the expected devaluation but the new card makes up for some of it.

This is a good point. I know for me 2x on everything can really add up and this now becomes one of my primary cards that I will use for everything but gas, food and Costco.

 

[dioxide45]

Another way to look at it is that the Cat 1-4 hotel only redemption is 25,000 points. So four nights would cost you 100,000. So you are paying 170,000 points for 100k in airline miles, 1.7 points per mile. Not nearly as good as it was in the past with the category 1-5 was also 25,000 points. So you got 120,000 miles for only 135,000 points, 1.125 points per mile. That is over a 50% increase in the cost of the miles.

As noted though, you can rack up double the points on credit card spending.

 

[Big Matt]

I'm lucky because I've already got lifetime platinum elite, and was thinking that I should switch cards since the nights don't mean anything anymore, but the 2x points really changes things for me. I plow everything through the card except for Costco and I use the card for literally everything I can. 200,000 rewards points a year for just using the card is pretty sweet.

 

[mas]

On the new Plat. Premiere card, do you still get 1 night of elite credit for $3000 of spend? I didn't see it in the list of benefits/

 

[dioxide45]

On the new Plat. Premiere card, do you still get 1 night of elite credit for $3000 of spend? I didn't see it in the list of benefits/

Nope. That benefit is gone. Keep the old card if that is important to you.

 

[SeaDoc]

Hi Sue,

***UPDATE*** here is the new values for 5 nights:

5 Nights + 50,000 Miles 5 Nights + 100, 000 Miles
Category 1-4
195,000 Points required 270,000 Points required
Category 5 235,000 310,000
Category 6 315,000 390,000
Category 7 355,000 430,000
Category 8 475,000 550,000

And Yes, United still provides 10% more miles 55K vs 50K, 110K vs 100K

A TUGger who prefers not to give Marriott the possibility of matching his/her TUG name with his/her Marriott accounts was given a little info today that looks to answer the question of whether the 5-Night packages will still be available to us owners. Below is the complete copy/paste info sent to me; hopefully we'll know more in "a week or so."

Thank you, Anonymous!

*****************
Five-night packages will still be available. I was told that it was 100,000 miles, but I suspect it is actually 110,000 to line up with the new seven-night packages. New chart should be out in a week or so. Here are some of the point values.


............50,000.......100,000
.............Miles........Miles.
--------------------------------
Cat 7.......355,000......430,000
Cat 1-4..................270,000

 

[bobpark56]

On 15 Aug we purchased a 5-night Cat 7 (now cat 5) certificate + 120,000 AA miles for 270,000 points. So we do seem to be experiencing a significant devaluation of Marriott rewards points since then.

 

[dioxide45]

Hi Sue,

I just spoke with a Marriott Rewards representative who was emphatic that 5 day travel packages were no longer available. Here is the 7 day packages for non-united airlines:

7 Nights + 50,000 Miles 7 Nights + 110, 000 Miles
Category 1-4
255,000 Points required 330,000 Points required
Category 5 315,000 390,000
Category 6 435,000 510,000
Category 7 495,000 570,000
Category 8 675,000 750,000

But the OP came from a reliable (anonymous) source. I am also not sure what is right with the United vs. non United packages. The website shows both are 110,000 miles. But we know that the United package gets a 10% bonus in miles. I think the information you were provided is incorrect for the non United package and the rep was just pulling it off the Marriott website. As you can see, any source can be right or wrong at any given time.

 

[SeaDoc]

See above for 5 night travel packages... Thanks MVWC for offering them again!!!

 

[JIMinNC]

I hope they retain the 5 day packages, but I have received nothing confirming it except for this 'anonymous' source. If anyone finds out anything, please share. Thanks

It's possible both your Marriott Rewards representative and the "anonymous source" are correct. The Rewards rep is obviously correct because the old 5 night packages went away on August 18, so they are correct in saying they are no longer available. But if the new ones haven't been announced yet, but are going to be announced soon, then the anonymous source would also be correct. Only time will tell.

 

[jeepie]

Hi Sue,

***UPDATE*** here is the new values for 5 nights:

5 Nights + 50,000 Miles 5 Nights + 100, 000 Miles
Category 1-4
195,000 Points required 270,000 Points required
Category 5 235,000 310,000
Category 6 315,000 390,000
Category 7 355,000 430,000
Category 8 475,000 550,000

And Yes, United still provides 10% more miles 55K vs 50K, 110K vs 100K

I confirmed this info today with a MVC VOA. He couldn’t point me to the chart on the marriottvacationclub.com site, or link to it on Marriott Rewards. He went to a supervisor and then found it on their internal site. He emailed me a screen shot. He had no information about retaining the ability to change categories (he did mention that this may happen, but it hasn’t been announced). Nor would he confirm or deny the ability to extend a certificate. Cheers.

 

[ACP]

I've just come off the MVC Chat and the agent confirmed that 5 nights TP were available to MVC owners. However these cannot be booked via MVC only via Marriott Rewards. There was no table available (However there was a link to the 7 Night Table).
Today I managed to use an existing 7 night TP which was Cat 6 and use it for a new Cat 5 hotel, which was messy but the agent managed to resolve it without any additional MR points.
As per the last post hope they will allow us to change categories or extend existing TP as I have 2 Cat 1-4 to use. I wonder how many points I would get back if I cancelled the hotel element

 

[jeepie]

Here is the new table. Cheers.

 

[mas]

So the end result is 35K more points and 22K less FF miles(for United -- 20 k less FF for the others). Don't know how to compare that with the degraded 7 night TP? Still bad, but I guess it could be worse.

 

[StevenTing]

That screenshot with the new table is awesome. It even has the code in there as well and that will be helpful until they get things officially posted.

 

[ACP]

Here is the new table. Cheers.

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Does this mean that if you wanted to upgrade a current Cat 1-4 5 day certificate to a Cat 5 it would be an additional 40,000 points - assuming that at some point in the future they will allow upgrades?