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[ 2018 ] Interval International TDI Chart Meaning

dominidude said:
Big hole in your theory: new York City has TDI 3.
It seems to me that New York city has occupancy rates way above Orlando most of the year, and the barriers to entry are way greater than Orlando.
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Actually, hotel building is quite large in NYC despite the barriers to entry. See:

http://www.hotelnewsnow.com/Articles/142398/The-conundrum-that-is-the-New-York-hotel-market

However, occupancy is quite high as you say. I posted the question in a non leading manner to II, will see what they say. It’s a terrible design IMHO to make that number so large if it has no meaning at all.
 
So these are 2 weeks I'm trying to compare... Which do you think would trade better if strictly reading these charts? And which trades better in actual experience? Maybe I need to stick with RCI! What you see is what you get! ;)

TDI 77 (washington coast)
week 35 (145 on the grid)

TDI 53 (Utah mountains)
week 52 (150 on the grid)
 
JulieAB said:
So these are 2 weeks I'm trying to compare... Which do you think would trade better if strictly reading these charts? And which trades better in actual experience? Maybe I need to stick with RCI! What you see is what you get! ;)

TDI 77 (washington coast)
week 35 (145 on the grid)

TDI 53 (Utah mountains)
week 52 (150 on the grid)
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In that case, it’s 150 vs 145, so, as far as TDI goes, they are basically even. But TDI by itself doesn’t mean what will trade better. The desirability of the area, resort quality, etc. also matter. How far you deposit in advance matters. Someone who has those areas might be able to comment further based on experience.
 
Steve Fatula said:
In that case, it’s 150 vs 145, so, as far as TDI goes, they are basically even. But TDI by itself doesn’t mean what will trade better. The desirability of the area, resort quality, etc. also matter. How far you deposit in advance matters. Someone who has those areas might be able to comment further based on experience.
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The AREA TDI is 77 vs 53 though. :shrug:
 
I am not suggesting that the regional TDI number carries more trading weight than any of the other factors. It is what it is. I'm sure it matters, but how much I don’t know. I can only speak to the fact that the overall TDI number assigned to the various regions for a certainty has something to do with some combination of overall demand, supply, and occupancy for that specific region.

As to the Boston and New York examples mentioned, while I would agree that in general those cities can have high demand times, maybe II’s regional demand rankings also have something to do with timeshare demand for those areas…not just hotel demand? I don’t know. And how many timeshare owners want to take their families to Boston and New York city? Those locations and choices seem more couple oriented, not family oriented.

More specifically money talks and I think it can help shed some light on the Boston / New York value question (as it relates to the timeshare world). You can buy Platinum season Marriott’s Custom House weeks for $1,000 and the timeshare options for New York City are pretty meager as well. Heck, Manhattan Club appears to have been guilty of criminal fraud.

If those places are in such high demand and II’s number is so wrong then why doesn’t a Boston Custom House platinum week cost one $10+k like they would have to pay in Marco Island, Virginia Beach, or even the Marriott’s in Aruba, Hilton Head, Myrtle Beach, or Hawaii? Okay they are 1BR units, but if Boston was in such high demand and had any real value wouldn't they logically sell for more?

While I am sure there are exceptions that can be debated, to me it seems that about 95+% of the regional overall TDI rankings I see listed in II seem completely logical.
 
RLS50 said:
I am not suggesting that the regional TDI number carries more trading weight than any of the other factors. It is what it is. I'm sure it matters, but how much I don’t know. I can only speak to the fact that the overall TDI number assigned to the various regions for a certainty has something to do with some combination of overall demand, supply, and occupancy for that specific region.

As to the Boston and New York examples mentioned, while I would agree that in general those cities can have high demand times, maybe II’s regional demand rankings also have something to do with timeshare demand for those areas…not just hotel demand? I don’t know. And how many timeshare owners want to take their families to Boston and New York city? Those locations and choices seem more couple oriented, not family oriented.

More specifically money talks and I think it can help shed some light on the Boston / New York value question (as it relates to the timeshare world). You can buy Platinum season Marriott’s Custom House weeks for $1,000 and the timeshare options for New York City are pretty meager as well. Heck, Manhattan Club appears to have been guilty of criminal fraud.

If those places are in such high demand and II’s number is so wrong then why doesn’t a Boston Custom House platinum week cost one $10+k like they would have to pay in Marco Island, Virginia Beach, or even the Marriott’s in Aruba, Hilton Head, Myrtle Beach, or Hawaii? Okay they are 1BR units, but if Boston was in such high demand and had any real value wouldn't they logically sell for more?

While I am sure there are exceptions that can be debated, to me it seems that about 95+% of the regional overall TDI rankings I see listed in II seem completely logical.
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The reason MC is given away is the MF is so high and it is hard to reserve a decent week. It has nothing to do with the demand as timeshare exchange. And by the way it is the penthouse units at mc and since there is almost no resales available it is hard to say what the resale value is.
 
tschwa2 said:
The reason MC is given away is the MF is so high and it is hard to reserve a decent week. It has nothing to do with the demand as timeshare exchange. And by the way it is the penthouse units at mc and since there is almost no resales available it is hard to say what the resale value is.
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I'll defer to you on that.

However, I still find it hard to believe that most families going on a 7 night vacation (especially summer vacations) would pick Boston or New York city over one of the East Coast beach locations, Mexico, the Caribbean, or a place like Smuggler's Notch in VT, or Orlando, or even the Poconos or Catskills for that matter. I certainly don't speak for everyone but I have personally worked around hundreds of professionals over the years and while I have heard of couples taking romantic getaways to Boston or New York or couples going for a Broadway play, or maybe taking the family to NYC for the Thanksgiving day parade, or couples going to Boston in the fall for the leaf change, I have never known anyone with a desire to take their family there on a 7 night vacation? I am sure there may be some, but I haven't ever encountered them.

That isn't intended as a slight to NYC or Boston, it's just that I don't see those locations as in high demand for the typical couple or family looking for a 7 night timeshare vacation. Most of the people living in the cities are looking to get out and away for their vacations.
 
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II Travel Planner 2018 - 2020 (the book that Interval mails to your home)
Page 8 (of the Marriott version book)
upper left hand corner
"How to Use Your Travel Planner"

The name of the TDI area, example UTAH
The number of the TDI area, example 53
PLEASE NOTE THAT THE TDI NUMBERS CARRY NO VALUE.
 
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And thus ends much ado about nothing.
 
About 5 years ago an II rep told me that the TDI numbers didn't carry any weight (confirming what the guide says) and that specific weeks just didn't matter. Even though I was skeptical it seems to be true as I have never found specific weeks to make much of a difference in trading power when I am doing trade tests using my Marriott Palm Desert white weeks (late spring, fall). Pick the best week you can reserve (mid summer, holiday etc depending on your resort) and deposit that. Then put in an OGS to maximize the trade potential of your week.
 
hudshut said:
II Travel Planner 2018 - 2020 (the book that Interval mails to your home)
Page 8 (of the Marriott version book)
upper left hand corner
"How to Use Your Travel Planner"

The name of the TDI area, example UTAH
The number of the TDI area, example 53
PLEASE NOTE THAT THE TDI NUMBERS CARRY NO VALUE.
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Interesting, thanks for the correction. I have a Gold Key Interval book from some years ago and I didn’t see that clarification. My sincere apologies if I posted bad information. I thought I was helping, but obviously not.

It appears I violated the cardinal rule of timeshares, a rule I should know better by now. Even what might seem like a sincere attempt by a sales rep to share what appears to be useful information at a sales presentation might not be accurate. I do find it odd that we heard this heavily emphasized at 2 different presentations by different companies in different locations separated years apart, and it was alluded to by a 3rd company in Mexico back in 2010. I remember the sales rep in Williamsburg even telling us that the best place to buy for maximum trading value in II was a platinum season in Marco Island because it was a 96. And the Gold Key rep told us that Virginia Beach was a 92 because it partially represented the demand and supply situation in that there was only a 3 mile boardwalk and every available piece of beachfront property was built on, so no real additional supply could be added. The statements made seemed fairly logical at the time.

And I also find it interesting that outside of a few exceptions the numbers always seemed mostly logical relative to the timeshare world as if they really did have some regional value (although apparently they don't). For example, it's ironic that it seems I have read more than a few threads on TUG over the years about what units have the trading power to pull or see a platinum season unit at Marco Island. I always thought I knew the reason for this, but apparently I didn't know anything. What I thought was confirmation must have just been coincidence.

Anyway, my sincere apologies again for sharing bad information. It was not intentional.
 
taterhed said:
And thus ends much ado about nothing.
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It meant something to me, it answered the question. Was on a trip, did not have the book, and couldn’t find a thing on the II site. Thanks hudshut!
 
Steve Fatula said:
It meant something to me, it answered the question. Was on a trip, did not have the book, and couldn’t find a thing on the II site. Thanks hudshut!
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oh, the conversation was fun. No insult intended.

I just love how the 'rumors' from a sales(weasel)person can spin up so quickly! Always fun.

cheers.
 
taterhed said:
oh, the conversation was fun. No insult intended.

I just love how the 'rumors' from a sales(weasel)person can spin up so quickly! Always fun.

cheers.
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None taken. This will lead into my next question, I suppose I'll make a new thread for it. My assumption is there has to be some sort of regional or resort specific ranking. Which is what made it possible to initially believe the TDI #. It may not be published, but I don't see how it wouldn't be that way. New York started making me doubt, and then never finding a duplicate number seemed unlikely as well.
 
The reason II wouldn't want to publish this type of list is it would hurt their corporate clients who are in any region other than the top locations. Without that trading information being made available any salesperson can claim that their timeshare and timeshare location is among the top destinations. Like it or not places like Orlando are the bread and butter of exchange companies. There is a high demand, just not relative to the actually even higher supply but Interval makes a lot more money from deposits and exchanges and excess inventory that becomes getaways into Orlando than it does the dozen or so summer deposits it gets from Virginia Beach or the less than 5 annual deposits from NYC. In Orlando they may have .75 requests for every deposit that is made but if they get 20,000 deposits and 85% are taken by exchanges and another 10% get sold as getaways or AC's that still is $4 million in fees that go to interval not including the membership fees which would probably be another $2 million +. NYC probably averages 3 deposits a year. Even though there might be 2,000 request for that exchange, Interval is not going to make more than $600 a year from exchanges and another $8000 tops in membership fees from NYC owners who primarily don't deposit or exchange but may use getaways.
 
Hi. If anyone happens to be able to look up in their II book what the TDI is for Week 35 at The Colonies of Williamsburg, I'd really appreciate it. I'm looking at a unit there for sale, and would likely be looking to trade it every other year or so.
 
JMNY said:
Hi. If anyone happens to be able to look up in their II book what the TDI is for Week 35 at The Colonies of Williamsburg, I'd really appreciate it. I'm looking at a unit there for sale, and would likely be looking to trade it every other year or so.
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You can check it yourself. The II directory is available to anybody. No need to be an II member.
www.intervalworld.com

Look at this beautiful resort I found on IntervalWorld.com.

The Colonies at Williamsburg, Williamsburg, VA, United States
www.intervalworld.com
Click on Travel Demand Index to get it
 
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