[2018] How happy are you with your Marriott ownership?

[frank808]

From what i understand, resale weeks purchased DIRECT from Marriott is enrollable into the DC points program without the purchase of points. Might have to pay a small enrollment fee but at one time you just had to watch a webinar to get the week into the DC points program.

Might want to check into it. Might have something you did not expect.

I believe there are other huggers that can confirm or deny the ability to enroll a direct purchase week from MVC even post 2010.

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[Mroze]

From what i understand, resale weeks purchased DIRECT from Marriott is enrollable into the DC points program without the purchase of points. Might have to pay a small enrollment fee but at one time you just had to watch a webinar to get the week into the DC points program.

Might want to check into it. Might have something you did not expect.

I believe there are other huggers that can confirm or deny the ability to enroll a direct purchase week from MVC even post 2010.

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In 2017 We purchased a RESALE-Week direct from Marriott, but had to purchase an equivalent #-DC-Points.
This is what we refer to as a Hybrid-Sale that lowered the overall cost of from $10.54/Point to $6.45/Point.
The Direct-Purchase Resale-Week was automatically enrolled in the Destination-Club program with the option each-year to elect points or exchange as a week or deposit with Interval.

Does Marriott sell RESALE weeks directly without the need to purchase equivalent DC-POINTS?
If yes, that would be an awesome option.

 

[csalter2]

In 2017 We purchased a RESALE-Week direct from Marriott, but had to purchase an equivalent #-DC-Points.
This is what we refer to as a Hybrid-Sale that lowered the overall cost of from $10.54/Point to $6.45/Point.
The Direct-Purchase Resale-Week was automatically enrolled in the Destination-Club program with the option each-year to elect points or exchange as a week or deposit with Interval.

Does Marriott sell RESALE weeks directly without the need to purchase equivalent DC-POINTS?
If yes, that would be an awesome option.

Marriott did sell resale weeks, but they were not able to be enrolled if bought by itself. That was 2018.

 

[CPNY]

Marriott did sell resale weeks, but they were not able to be enrolled if bought by itself. That was 2018.

I thought they were selling enrolled resale weeks at certain resorts like Aruba and St Kitts. That’s what they were trying to sell me last year. An Aruba week that was enrolled, It came with points. Possible you’re referring to something else though.

 

[csalter2]

I thought they were selling enrolled resale weeks at certain resorts like Aruba and St Kitts. That’s what they were trying to sell me last year. An Aruba week that was enrolled, It came with points. Possible you’re referring to something else though.

They just sell weeks in St. Kitts and Aruba. They don’t have to be resale weeks. They cannot sell points there and in Europe. A purchase of one of those properties they use in lieu of points. Two years ago I bought 2 weeks direct from Marriott buying Aruba and Ocean Pointe. Aruba was not resale, but Ocean Pointe was a resale. Both weeks were enrolled.

 

[ljmiii]

To recap...

Resale weeks purchased directly from MVC are eligible to be converted to MRPs - now Bonvoy Points.

Resale weeks purchased before mid 2010 (I believe June 20th) are (or at least were) eligible to be enrolled for free with a webinar.

Resale weeks purchased directly from MVC as part of a 'hybrid package' with an equal number of DPs are eligible to be enrolled.

Resale weeks purchased directly from MVC in Aruba, St. Kitts, and Europe are sold enrolled since they can't be in the trust.

And most recently, on Sep 12th Dean reported...

I didn't press for details and don't recall seeing it here but here's what I was told yesterday. They have removed the restrictions on deeded resale weeks. If you buy points equal to an underlying week or combination of weeks, you can chose those weeks instead. For example, if one bought 4200 points, they could chose a Grande Ocean Platinum Oceanside week if it was in inventory. You just pay the price like you were buying points.

 

[csalter2]

To recap...

Resale weeks purchased directly from MVC are eligible to be converted to MRPs - now Bonvoy Points.

Resale weeks purchased before mid 2010 (I believe June 20th) are (or at least were) eligible to be enrolled for free with a webinar.

Resale weeks purchased directly from MVC as part of a 'hybrid package' with an equal number of DPs are eligible to be enrolled.

Resale weeks purchased directly from MVC in Aruba, St. Kitts, and Europe are sold enrolled since they can't be in the trust.

And most recently, on Sep 12th Dean reported...

When they are having specials, any of these can all go out the window as they do during summer specials.

 

[emoneybug]

We just got back from the Marriott newport Coast villas 3nights for $299 with $50 gift card after the presentation. The offer was 1000points for $11461, plus it would come with 2000bonus points. We said no cause we already have a free Hilton Dec2019 bay club 2bedroom week and 2 dvc contracts so not ready to dive into another company.

3rd time staying on this offer, very nice resort as always.

 

[Toni Sprinkel]

We look forward to Ocean Pointe sunshine in January!

 

[shellbelle]

Up until today, I was very happy with my ownership. Right now I am so angry I'd like to set all my deeds on fire. Due to a mix up with a reservation that was entirely and provably MVCI's fault (using emails that they sent) I'm now out $500. After an "investigation" that took two days, they essentially accused me of altering an email to make them look bad. When I pointed out that they should be able to compare their own copy of a receipt that they sent with my version they said "we can't look at an email we sent from that address." WTH? It's frustrating because there is nothing to suggest that this can't happen again, so even keeping my receipts and emails from them is useless because they will just assume that I have altered them. I hate being out $500, I hate that I have no way to prevent it from happening again, but worst of all is the insult to my integrity. I'm just livid.

 

[frank808]

Care to enlighten us so we know what the problem is and maybe avoid it?

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[shellbelle]

Care to enlighten us so we know what the problem is and maybe avoid it?

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Long story so I posted a new thread in the Marriott forum below. I would LOVE to know how to avoid this problem in the future. I'm actually extremely concerned because a recurrence could have much more difficult consequences than just being out some money and I have zero reason to believe that it couldn't happen again.

 

[shellbelle]

The one thing I dislike is having to call up to cancel a reservation. With COVID they are only operational 9:00-5:00pm EST which is inconvenient.

I know this is a very late response, but maybe it will help.

How to cancel a MVCI reservation after hours:
Login
Click on “Use Points”
In the dropdown box under "Manage" Select “Upcoming Reservations”
Click on "Request Reservation Cancellation" (near the top of the page)
Click on "Submit your request online" in the dropdown box
Fill out the form with ALL the necessary information and click submit.

LINK: https://owners.marriottvacationclub.com/timeshare/mvco/contact-form

It can take up to a few days for the reservation to show up as cancelled, but as long as you complete your end of the process at least 24 hours before your check in your points will be returned to your account. They may be in holding (depending on how close you were to check in when you submitted your request) but that's just the same as any cancellation.

 

[Islnd]

In 2017 We purchased a RESALE-Week direct from Marriott, but had to purchase an equivalent #-DC-Points.
This is what we refer to as a Hybrid-Sale that lowered the overall cost of from $10.54/Point to $6.45/Point.
The Direct-Purchase Resale-Week was automatically enrolled in the Destination-Club program with the option each-year to elect points or exchange as a week or deposit with Interval.

Does Marriott sell RESALE weeks directly without the need to purchase equivalent DC-POINTS?
If yes, that would be an awesome option.

Hopefully you see this....Curious on a "Hybrid-Sale" if the resort has a maintenance fee of say $2,000 for fixed week, but that same week has a "DC Value" of 5,000 points (I'm not even sure if the DC Points equivalent is the same as what they show on the points chart) and the maintenance fee per point is $0.60 (i.e. $3,000) what do yo have to pay? The points fee or the fixed week maintenance fee?

 

[Fasttr]

Hopefully you see this....Curious on a "Hybrid-Sale" if the resort has a maintenance fee of say $2,000 for fixed week, but that same week has a "DC Value" of 5,000 points (I'm not even sure if the DC Points equivalent is the same as what they show on the points chart) and the maintenance fee per point is $0.60 (i.e. $3,000) what do yo have to pay? The points fee or the fixed week maintenance fee?

You always pay the MFs on the underlying week.

 

[Islnd]

You always pay the MFs on the underlying week.

So if I buy a resale Platinum Plus week (say Christmas or New Years) at a fixed week resort and somehow I "buy" into the points program I will still pay the fixed week maintenance fee plus the fee on the points Marriott asks me to buy into the program? Even if I trade the whole week into the points system to use them somewhere else? I could end up with say 7,000 points (value of fixed week) to use to trade for a $2,000 maintenance fee for the fixed week? ..... almost $0.30 cents a point? I imagine I then have to add (lets say they force me to buy 1,000 points) $600 ($0.60 X 1,000 points), so I would have a total of 8,000 points for a maintenance cost of $2,600 or $0.33 per point. Seems like a good deal?

 

[VacationForever]

So if I buy a resale Platinum Plus week (say Christmas or New Years) at a fixed week resort and somehow I "buy" into the points program I will still pay the fixed week maintenance fee plus the fee on the points Marriott asks me to buy into the program? Even if I trade the whole week into the points system to use them somewhere else? I could end up with say 7,000 points (value of fixed week) to use to trade for a $2,000 maintenance fee for the fixed week? ..... almost $0.30 cents a point? I imagine I then have to add (lets say they force me to buy 1,000 points) $600 ($0.60 X 1,000 points), so I would have a total of 8,000 points for a maintenance cost of $2,600 or $0.33 per point. Seems like a good deal?

You need to put in an actual resort and fixed week into your example. I don't believe there is a week that costs $2000 MF that converts to a 7000 point value. To bring a resale week into the DC system, you need to buy 3000 points.

 

[Islnd]

You need to put in an actual resort and fixed week into your example. I don't believe there is a week that costs $2000 MF that converts to a 7000 point value. To bring a resale week into the DC system, you need to buy 3000 points.

I was scanning Maui, Aruba and St Thomas. Based on the point charts for weeks 51 or 52 you need about 6-7K points for a two bedroom ocean view not front and MF appear to be between $2k to $3.5K, so I was just rounding down for the example above. I mainly trying to understand the concept of if I own a fixed week and want enroll in the new points program (1) what would my MF be based on? and two cost on enrolling (2).

I want to be locked in in a week because each season has bad weeks, so there is no guaranteed, but also have the option of every few years try to go to a different location. I know best of both worlds. I even looked into fractional units, but even then for example they guarantee a week per season and other floaters, but again.....same issue.

 

[TXTortoise]

If you buy a week, not points, in any manner you will pay that weeks MF. If you enroll that week in any manner, via a hybrid deal or downstream purchase of points, you will still pay the week’s MF.

in addition you will pay the points MF for any points purchased.

Generally, folks purchasing something like an Aruba week to use as a points generator and the required additional points as part of a hybrid deal are looking to lower their overall average MF for the total points available.

 

[VacationForever]

I was scanning Maui, Aruba and St Thomas. Based on the point charts for weeks 51 or 52 you need about 6-7K points for a two bedroom ocean view not front and MF appear to be between $2k to $3.5K, so I was just rounding down for the example above. I mainly trying to understand the concept of if I own a fixed week and want enroll in the new points program (1) what would my MF be based on? and two cost on enrolling (2).

I want to be locked in in a week because each season has bad weeks, so there is no guaranteed, but also have the option of every few years try to go to a different location. I know best of both worlds. I even looked into fractional units, but even then for example they guarantee a week per season and other floaters, but again.....same issue.

A fixed week that generates high points with low MF also come with a hefty price in the resale market. You will continue to pay MF for each ownership even when enrolled. MF for the week and MF for the DC points.

 

[csalter2]

So if I buy a resale Platinum Plus week (say Christmas or New Years) at a fixed week resort and somehow I "buy" into the points program I will still pay the fixed week maintenance fee plus the fee on the points Marriott asks me to buy into the program? Even if I trade the whole week into the points system to use them somewhere else? I could end up with say 7,000 points (value of fixed week) to use to trade for a $2,000 maintenance fee for the fixed week? ..... almost $0.30 cents a point? I imagine I then have to add (lets say they force me to buy 1,000 points) $600 ($0.60 X 1,000 points), so I would have a total of 8,000 points for a maintenance cost of $2,600 or $0.33 per point. Seems like a good deal?

The ideal would be to purchase two weeks from Marriott instead of the one week and then DC points. If you were to purchase an Aruba, St. Kitts, or European week you could get your resale week in or purchase a resale from Marriott and then only pay the weeks maintenance fee.

 

[Mroze]

The best deal we were offered was a Hybrid Fixed-Week [EY-WK52-3BR: Grand Residences Tahoe 12100-DCP] + 3000-DCP Points.
The MF were as follows

• Fixed-Week [12100-DCP]: $1500
• MF 3000-DCP: $1500.

This worked out to $3000-MF for 15000-DCP/Year or ~$0.20c/DCP.

The entry cost was what we walked away from $75K for the Fixed-Week + $30K for the points.
In hindsight it was a good deal given the other benefits of Chairman's-Club and low MF.

 

[vacationtime1]

The best deal we were offered was a Hybrid Fixed-Week [EY-WK52-3BR: Grand Residences Tahoe 12100-DCP] + 3000-DCP Points.
The MF were as follows

• Fixed-Week [12100-DCP]: $1500
• MF 3000-DCP: $1500.

This worked out to $3000-MF for 15000-DCP/Year or ~$0.20c/DCP.

The entry cost was what we walked away from $75K for the Fixed-Week + $30K for the points.
In hindsight it was a good deal given the other benefits of Chairman's-Club and low MF.

I think you were wise to walk away from that deal. The upfront cost would have been $105,000, most of which would be permanently lost when the rescission period ended. The benefit (the difference between paying $0.20/pp/year and the current MF on 15K points) is about $0.43/pp/year -- about $6,500/year. It will take at least 12 years of "savings" at this reate to recoup the loss in upfront capital, not to mention the opportunity cost as it depreciates. And that assumes Marriott is not going to change the rules.

 

[younme4ever]

We're pretty happy.

We've been owners for about 5 years, starting with 2500 points bought at retail. We've subsequently purchased a bundle deal and, most recently, a handful of resale points that got us to Presidential.

We like it because it disciplines us to plan vacations, and we get to stay at much nicer places than we otherwise would. I would never recommend MVC as a value proposition. It's really a lifestyle choice for those who can afford it.

Just curious, how much are you paying for MF’s for a Presidential level?

 

[lmnanea]

I said I was a bit unhappy in this survey. That reflects my current feelings after purchasing another 2000 VC Points and another Grand Vista week. This got me to the Presidential level with lots of "perks". My main gripe is that I was given a pitch about how easy it is to acquire sought after weeks at various locations and then rent them for a great ROI on my investment. As I have discovered, there are a large number of issues that make it difficult and very time consuming to receive enough payback to make this investment work. For example, I was told I would get 30% discount in points if I made a minor change to my reservation inside the 60 day window. That's true but it turns out that the points can't be banked into the next year so they expire at the end of the year, they can only be used to book a unit with in 60 days of occupying it! So these points are difficult to use for anything for myself and difficult to acquire something that has rental value.
They showed me VacationCandy web site showing the great $$ listings. Then I found that VactionCandy jacks up your asking price by $500 plus fees sowhat I would receive was much smaller.

I am just trying my first attempt at this and so I don't know how this will turn out. I booked 3 weeks at a site for Thanksgiving 2019 due to the good $/point value but the 30% point discount I will likely not be able to get value from.

I have used my previous points and weeks for vacations for more than 15 years and have been mostly very happy.

Hi, they r trying to sell us same bundle, 2K plus GV. How easy has it been for you to use the GV plus 2K points for points stay at high end choice property like Aruba or Hawaii?