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[ 2015 ] Westin Nanea on sale now

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Thank you. Just making sure this new Nanea property and my package wasn't some special
Hotness. This site is great and you're all awesome.
I'll definitely be back ok for researching.
 

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Thank you. Just making sure this new Nanea property and my package wasn't some special
Hotness. This site is great and you're all awesome.
I'll definitely be back ok for researching.

To be quite honest with you, Starwood just re-churned the same old thing, re-packaged it, and jacked up the price.

You will get Staroptions if you buy resale in the origianal phase as well, and pay a fraction of the cost.

The one-time incentives are not worth the thousands more you will pay to buy from the developer.
 

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Congrats on finding TUG in time.
If you have more contact with Sales - stay strong, don't succumb - they are professional salespeople after all.
 

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Congrats on finding TUG in time.
If you have more contact with Sales - stay strong, don't succumb - they are professional salespeople after all.

Have to say, from the beginning of the process to rescinding, they were absolutely courteous, not pushy, respectful, and just all around considerate. I'm in sales so I know what schtick can be, these guys were really great. I just signed the doc and took a copy.
 

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Have to say, from the beginning of the process to rescinding, they were absolutely courteous, not pushy, respectful, and just all around considerate. I'm in sales so I know what schtick can be, these guys were really great. I just signed the doc and took a copy.


I need to find more clients like you.


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Went to our first owners update EVER yesterday at WKORV on what I think is our 15th visit here?! I wanted to hear about Nanea and see a model but there wasn't a model to see. Sales guy was great and it was a pleasant, no pressure experience :cool:. It took a while to get prices, and then it was all sort of confusing because you can buy SOs for more or less than a week. Hyatt is more upfront with their prices, but the SVO folks were very nice. Anyhow, got the $100 resort credit which I will use to get a massage :).
 

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Denise,
Enjoy your massage and your time on Maui! Hope you see lots of whales...

Thanks, Lisa. Crazy windy today and raining lightly now. Hoping our whale watching tour goes as planned tomorrow and that this storm goes away! We should get together when I get back home and trade timeshare stories :).
 

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Hope you have a great stay, Denise, and see lots of whales tomorrow. :D We will miss you this year.
 

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Hope you have a great stay, Denise, and see lots of whales tomorrow. :D We will miss you this year.

Thanks, Emmy. We came extra early this year to see the whales :). It's our first trip to Maui in February since 1989! Seems less crowded than Easter week and so far, we are enjoying our stay, even the Nanea sales pitch! Visited the Maui Humane Society today and spent a lot of time with all the cats. They also had a lot of dogs and bunnies. They have really done a nice job improving the facilities since our visit last April, and our daughter donates her birthday and holiday money to help care for the animals :cool:.
 

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That is really nice of her and good to know that the facilities have improved. Please, post some pictures of the whales. Are you taking the Catamaran off the beach?
 

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Thanks, Lisa. Crazy windy today and raining lightly now. Hoping our whale watching tour goes as planned tomorrow and that this storm goes away! We should get together when I get back home and trade timeshare stories :).

Sounds good. Hope the weather gets better for the rest of the week...
 

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First post and a WKORV-NN purchaser. While we chose not to rescind, I am glad we found TUG the day we signed! I will be happy to share more details about our experience, but here is what we bought:

  • 150,000 EOY RV Home Options for $32,250. This includes:
  • 70K SPG points
  • Lifetime SPG Gold status
  • Four certificates, each allowing purchase of 90K SPG points for $1,875 (all must be used by 12/31/17, or the end of our first use year)
  • Contracted option to purchase 150,000 Home Options for the even year (we purchased the odd) within the next year for $24,250.
We were not offered an option to purchase the 81K point EY package others have referenced (more on this below). Because our travels usually include just my wife and myself, we will typically want to book a 1 BR.

For reference, here is a breakdown of the 390 Villas planned for WKORV-NN:

1 BR RV: 48 Villas (in Buildings 3, 6, 7 & 8)
2 BR RV: 294 Villas (in Buildings 1-8)
2 BR OF: 16 Villas (in Buildings 4 & 8)
3 BR OF: 32 Villas (in Buildings 1, 4 & 8)
According to the disclosures, buildings 1-4 are in the first phase and buildings 5-8 are each their own phase. Here is a breakdown for the 190 Villas in buildings 1-4 at WKORV-NN:

1 BR RV: 5 Villas (all in Building 3)
2 BR RV: 155 Villas (in Buildings 1-4)
2 BR OF: 10 Villas (all in Building 4)
3 BR OF: 20 Villas (in Buildings 1 and 4)​

The very few 1 BR Villas in the first phase of the project may have been why we weren’t offered the option of an 81K point package and concerns us slightly regarding availability of 1 BR Villas (more of which won’t be available until Buildings 6,7 & 8 open). We will plan to book early and be flexible! :)

Cheers,
Jason
 

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First post and a WKORV-NN purchaser. While we chose not to rescind, I am glad we found TUG the day we signed! I will be happy to share more details about our experience, but here is what we bought:



Why not purchase the WKROVN resale every other year for island view $13,000 148K staroptions or Ocean Front 177K staroptions for $18,000?
 
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Why not purchase the WKROVN resale every other year for island view $13,000 148K staroptions or Ocean Front 177K staroptions for $18,000?

For us, the flexibility with Home Options to check in any day and book 1-14 nights from 12-8 months won the day. For our first TS, we agreed that we would not have bought without this flexibility.

The debate in our house, if we buy additional time, is whether to exercise our even year option at WKORV-NN for Home Option flexibility or to buy resale and save $$$.

That is why I am here...still learning the ropes.

Cheers,
Jason
 

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First post and a WKORV-NN purchaser. While we chose not to rescind, I am glad we found TUG the day we signed! I will be happy to share more details about our experience, but here is what we bought:

This can go two ways:
1) Thanks for keeping the SVO boat afloat, or...
2) Rescind if you still can, and research BEFORE you buy (not after).

You can buy resale WKORV/N for much cheaper and get more SOs. For example - you can buy WKORV OF (high $30Ks) and get ~175K SOs. The SO-SP conversion is not a good deal with high MFs, and while the incentive SPs are nice - they are not worth the premium paid, and you can use the money saved to vacation. Plus, resale WKORV/N OF can be resold for what was originally paid. You will not be able to do this with Nanea.

As discussed early in this thread - buying Nanea from SVO can be useful if looking at a fixed OF villa. Other than that - why buy?

YMMV - and likely does since you appear to have convinced yourself with the info that Sales gave you. I recommend looking at these numbers - Nanea is way over priced. IMO Also, you should buy resale first if you are considering buying from SVO - so you can requal the resale into the SVO system. You really should look into this...

Disclosure - we bought WKORV OFD resale, and then requalified it with a SVO WPORV EOY purchase. WKORV offers true OF villas unlike WKORVN and Nanea. Also own WSJ and WKV resale. It was a mistake to buy WPORV from SVO (even with all of our SVO incentives) considering we paid $24K for something that is now worth ~$5K.
 
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JasonM - did you know that you can buy a resale SVO VOI and then requalify with a purchase from SVO.

For example - you can buy a Plat SDO for around $3000 (MF ~$1100) that has 148.1K SO (EY) associated with it that if requalified with your EOY Nanea purchase these SOs can be used for SVN exchanges (or can be converted to SPs). Plus, other SVO VOIs can be bought (resale) and requalified as well.

You really should follow the 3 Rs of TUG (Rescind, Research, Resale) - with the 4th R being Requal...

It is generally a poor decision to buy something at this high premium (plus ongoing MFs) without researching first. Lack of research is what TS salespeople thrive upon.
btw - I bought OF WKORVN from SVO (for $74K!!!) and luckily found TUG and rescinded - great decision - saved me $10000s. Plus, I rent the studio side, and offset the high MFs so the 1Bd OF (corner) side costs us ~$200/nite
 
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  • 150,000 EOY RV Home Options for $32,250. This includes:
  • 70K SPG points
  • Lifetime SPG Gold status
  • Four certificates, each allowing purchase of 90K SPG points for $1,875 (all must be used by 12/31/17, or the end of our first use year)
  • Contracted option to purchase 150,000 Home Options for the even year (we purchased the odd) within the next year for $24,250.

You make no mention of the annual fees - this is important as these never end and always go up

- You can buy resale WKORVN OF EY for low $20K worth ~175K SOs (MF ~$2600)
- Those 70K SPs are worth ~$1500
- Gold status is not that valuable - please it can be achieved by using an AMEX - SPG card and spending $30K per year ($95 annual fee waived for 1st year)
- Please - refrain from throwing good money after bad.
 

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Thanks TUGBBS

Just bought a 2 BR resort view at Nanea. Retro 'd a WKORVN 2BR island (10k) and a Bella annual (5k) and gave back a Key West annual (returned for 17.5k, bought at 6k) to make 4 star. Had to shell out $40k in the end so bottom line was 40+10+5+6=61k for a 2BR WKORVN island annual, 2BR Nanea annual and Bella annual. 148100+150000+67100=365200 star options.

I wouldn't have known about the retro and buyback equity options without TUG... The salesmen were clueless. I had to "suggest" over and over until they took it to their manager and realized I could do this.

Oh.. Also got 60k spg, and 4 certificates for 90k spg at $1875 each.
 
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^^^^^ Not bad especially considering that SVO sold WKORVN IV for ~$48K.

JasonM - this is an excellent example of a reason to buy resale first if you are going to make a purchase thru SVO.
 

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David - you bring up excellent points in your posts and it is very hard to argue with serendip7. That is extremely impressive!

Our comfort level with our first TS was to buy from the developer and we wanted the flexibility of Home Options. Had we bought on the secondary market, we'd be more locked down to check-in days and length of stay than we'd like. Star Options are an unknown to us. If I can't book other resorts when I want to go, they aren't all that useful.

BTW, our MF's were quoted as $1371 plus SVN fees.

Cheers,
Jason
 
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If you buy at the existing Maui resort - both north and south phases, on the resale market, you get Staroptions - they work the same as home options, for a fraction of the developer cost.

-You can use them to make reservations at other Starwood resorts.
-You can use them for variable length stays.

Of course, the sales person isn't going to tell you that… ;)

Please read our FAQ, while you are still in the rescission period:

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63224
 
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BTW, our MF's were quoted as $1333 plus SVN fees.

Cheers,
Jason


Is that on the usage EOY years or every year?


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It's every other year:
150,000 EOY RV Home Options for $32,250. This includes:
So one use year is about $2,926… :eek:

Here is the other thing - buying at the Maui resort and using the Staroptions at other resorts is a poor value, because you are trading a really expensive timeshare with high maintenance fees, for a much less expensive timeshare, with lower maintenance fee, in most cases. In other words, you are trading a Mercedes for a Chevy...

If you don't want to go to Maui every other year, you should not buy there at all, because you can buy at a resort with Staroptions somewhere else for far less money, to use for Staroption trading.

For instance, on the resale market, you can acquire deeds with Staroptions at Sheraton Vistana Villages for $0-3,000, to use for trading.
 
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Just bought a 2 BR resort view at Nanea. Retro 'd a WKORVN 2BR island (10k) and a Bella annual (5k) and gave back a Key West annual (returned for 17.5k, bought at 6k) to make 4 star. Had to shell out $40k in the end so bottom line was 40+10+5+6=61k for a 2BR WKORVN island annual, 2BR Nanea annual and Bella annual. 148100+150000+67100=365200 star options.

I wouldn't have known about the retro and buyback equity options without TUG... The salesmen were clueless. I had to "suggest" over and over until they took it to their manager and realized I could do this.

Oh.. Also got 60k spg, and 4 certificates for 90k spg at $1875 each.

We were told we had to spend at least $70,000 in new money. Sounds like you spent $40,000?
 
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