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[2014] What's the next stock market bubble?

LOL

For all the people on this forum that accumulated wealth and retired by hoarding gold or silver - speak up ! (besides you ;)

Meanwhile ........ "gold glitters but earnings compound"

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I read that only 10% of American's , not including commercial investors, hold precious metals. Out of that 10%, less than 1% hold substantial amounts which are mostly commercial investors.

I agree that most people riding stocks can have a great income for retirement. Precious metals are not really held to retire on. Most people I know pass it down to the next generation like Scroog McDuck.

Bill
 
Brett, I have never said that people should rely on just precious metals. Our own portfolio is much heavier in rental residential real estate than precious metals but both have done well for us. In the last five years, our rental properties have appreciated well over 100% in market value and we get a very good income stream from them with rents increasing 50% during that period We have been looking for the past two years to buy some more properties, but the tightness of the real estate market in the two small cities where we have properties have meant we haven't found any deals, so we have been putting funds into gold and silver instead, bolstering our holdings there.

That repetitively posted (look a mere three posts above!) chart is clearly geared toward those who push financial products with a view to making a commission off of their customers. The absence of directly owned rental residential real estate in favor of a financial product, REITs, is a good example of that. I would much rather directly own real estate than a share of a REIT any day.
 
I read that only 10% of American's , not including commercial investors, hold precious metals. Out of that 10%, less than 1% hold substantial amounts which are mostly commercial investors.

I agree that most people riding stocks can have a great income for retirement. Precious metals are not really held to retire on. Most people I know pass it down to the next generation like Scroog McDuck.

Bill


Of course

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And like "Scroog McDuck" our stock and real estate returns have been passed down to my children for buying their real estate "bubble" houses


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I read that only 10% of American's , not including commercial investors, hold precious metals. Out of that 10%, less than 1% hold substantial amounts which are mostly commercial investors.

I agree that most people riding stocks can have a great income for retirement. Precious metals are not really held to retire on. Most people I know pass it down to the next generation like Scroog McDuck.

Bill

Precious metals are mostly held to preserve wealth and should be one asset in a portfolio. I have been invested in some stock funds in the past, but liquidated those for funds to buy real estate which I like better as an investment. Our own portfolio is geared to hard assets - real estate and precious metals with the much larger portion in real estate.

Luckily, around our area, there is a community of folks into gold and silver, and it is often possible to buy or sell gold or silver if you need or want to among that community. So far, for us, that has been a few good buying opportunities, but, for example I know of a friend here in town that would take any of our German gold 20 marks at spot if I wanted to get rid of any and several others who seem to constantly be in the market for US pre-33 gold for a little over spot.

One strategy many use to acquire a real estate portfolio is to put 20% down and borrow the rest of the purchase price. As the loan gets paid off, that can generate a paper loss which helps on taxes, mainly due to depreciation. The loan term is set so that the property will cash flow with a small amount of actual positive income. When one reaches retirement, or perhaps before, you own it free and clear, and you no longer have to turn over the lions share of the rental income to your lender.
 
Real estate definitely outperformed stocks in the last 40 years. From 1984 to 2024 real estate values have increased 494% as a National average. In Washington, the increase is more like 800%. Add in the rent, tax deductions and depreciation and it's even higher.

I'm with you on helping family members buying a house. It's a forced savings and keeps their noses to the grindstone making those payments.

Bill
 
Precious metals are mostly held to preserve wealth and should be one asset in a portfolio. I have been invested in some stock funds in the past, but liquidated those for funds to buy real estate which I like better as an investment. Our own portfolio is geared to hard assets - real estate and precious metals with the much larger portion in real estate.

Luckily, around our area, there is a community of folks into gold and silver, and it is often possible to buy or sell gold or silver if you need or want to among that community. So far, for us, that has been a few good buying opportunities, but, for example I know of a friend here in town that would take any of our German gold 20 marks at spot if I wanted to get rid of any and several others who seem to constantly be in the market for US pre-33 gold for a little over spot.

One strategy many use to acquire a real estate portfolio is to put 20% down and borrow the rest of the purchase price. As the loan gets paid off, that can generate a paper loss which helps on taxes, mainly due to depreciation. The loan term is set so that the property will cash flow with a small amount of actual positive income. When one reaches retirement, or perhaps before, you own it free and clear, and you no longer have to turn over the lions share of the rental income to your lender.


OK, - good luck with your community gold and silver and the costs with guarding that basement hoard of gold and silver

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(it may be easier with real estate and index funds ;))


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https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/investing/what-are-long-term-investments
 
Rental Real Estate is a great investment until you meet the tenant from hell
I certainly am not wishing you any bad luck
But it can and does happen every day in the rental real estate business
The tenant with a great track record has a change in his/her life that makes them desperate
The list of expensive actions they can take against the owner are numerous
 
Rental Real Estate is a great investment until you meet the tenant from hell
I certainly am not wishing you any bad luck
But it can and does happen every day in the rental real estate business
The tenant with a great track record has a change in his/her life that makes them desperate
The list of expensive actions they can take against the owner are numerous


My relatives and friends with real estate holdings in Northern Virginia have experienced the "tenant from hell" but using a property managment firm mitigates the hassles.

I'm now more into the REITs as an investment

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Real estate definitely outperformed stocks in the last 40 years. From 1984 to 2024 real estate values have increased 494% as a National average. In Washington, the increase is more like 800%. Add in the rent, tax deductions and depreciation and it's even higher.
While I agree that real estate is a good investment long term, you are off on your claim that it has outperformed stocks in the last 40 years. I brought up an S&P 500 historical returns calculator, and from Jan 1984 to Sep 2025, the S&P has a return of 9,811%.

Kurt
 
I read that only 10% of American's , not including commercial investors, hold precious metals. Out of that 10%, less than 1% hold substantial amounts which are mostly commercial investors.

I agree that most people riding stocks can have a great income for retirement. Precious metals are not really held to retire on. Most people I know pass it down to the next generation like Scroog McDuck.

Bill

You are right that gold does not have that huge a percentage of smaller investors. The whales that buy gold in large quantities are the world's central banks. Due to debt levels of governments that issue all major fiat currencies, centrals banks are gradually downsizing their holdings of each others fiat currencies and buying gold. They have been doing that for several years, and that is a main impetus for the increase in the value of gold. Central bank holdings of all major fiat currencies - dollars, euros, yen, pounds, yuan, etc. - have decreased and their holdings of gold have increased. They have to do that on a gradual basis to avoid creating a run on any currency, but it is and will be a continuing process. If you want to anticipate changes in the gold price, don't watch investors, watch the central banks. Of course, there is an uptick in institutional investors getting in such as a recent report of Swiss pension funds moving money into gold, but it is the central banks that call the shots. Right now, there is not another game in town for them but gold.

What is also a good "tell" is that the big bullion banks that deal commercially in gold and silver are all long gold and long silver for their own book. When the bullion banks quote price targets for gold and silver, they usually turn out on the low side of where the price actually goes. There are a lot of other "experts" out there who forecast prices, one I just noted who has a fairly good track record, calling for $6,000 gold by Spring. I always take them with a grain of salt because it is central bank behavior that drives the gold price and none of these experts can more than guess at their volumes.

The small investor who gets into precious metals now is probably headed for silver. With bullion coins, the one tenth ounce gold coins are now up well over $400 each and the premiums are high on those smaller bullion coins, and the quarter ounce coins, also with a high premium although not quite as much are well over $1,000. There are lower premiums with some of the monetary gold coins with weights in those ballparks.

With silver, you are playing a commodity as well as a precious metal, as 70% of silver production now goes to industrial or military uses, over twice what it used to be. It is a commodity, however, that you can physically possess in a practical manner, unlike most commodities.

Some are calling for gold to hit $10,000 but I hope they are wrong, because if it does what that will mean would be happening elsewhere in the economy is frightening. For gold to go that high would mean such a weakening of fiat currencies and the overall economy it would have a lot of negative lifestyle impacts for society.
 
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