[ 2013 ] Bought on Ebay. Mistake!!!

[Bigrob]

Careful with that. Technically you filed a false police report which is a crime. You willingly gave them your money. Them not yet delivering on their end of the deal is not something that is classified as theft and allowed to be reported as such on a police report. It is a civil matter. The best you can legally do without much trouble is file a complaint with the attorney general.

I don't believe anyone would view reporting a case of potentially being defrauded as a criminal act of filing a false police report. Certainly the OP will want to be careful to document everything and will need to be careful about public postings that could later hurt his case or potentially be the subject of a counter-suit of libel.

 

[Rent_Share]

Careful with that. Technically you filed a false police report which is a crime. You willingly gave them your money. Them not yet delivering on their end of the deal is not something that is classified as theft and allowed to be reported as such on a police report. It is a civil matter. The best you can legally do without much trouble is file a complaint with the attorney general.

Small town cops taking a police report on a civil court matter

 

[SMHarman]

Careful with that. Technically you filed a false police report which is a crime. You willingly gave them your money. Them not yet delivering on their end of the deal is not something that is classified as theft and allowed to be reported as such on a police report. It is a civil matter. The best you can legally do without much trouble is file a complaint with the attorney general.

Financial fraud is a criminal matter.

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[Saintsfanfl]

I am having problems with this seller also. I have the cell # of the President if you want it, if it's the same number he is giving you the run around talking about "checking with the manager to see". PM me if you want it.

I find this rather humorous. You are talking about the "President" of a company that has a fake puppet owner who is a young mother having nothing to do with anything remotely related to timeshares. The "business" address is a mail drop box in Miami. This setup is extremely similar to their new closing company which is also owned by a young mother having absolutely nothing to do with the industry.

This entire operation is very strange and no doubt very massive encompassing many legal entities. The likely person behind all of it is David MacMillan. We know for a fact that he owned the company with the DBA Pacific Transfer. I will bet big dollars that every entity from this point forward will be owned by someone that is paid off to be a legal owner. David Cohen, if that is a real person, is also likely involved. They have companies gathering the inventory and collecting millions. Then they have the sales companies offloading the inventory. Lastly the closing companies try and sweep up the mess. It is all ONE operation.

All that said, they are not taking the money and running. They do seem to be taking up front fees and disposing of the timeshare whether it is through a legit transfer or a viking ship.

 

[Bigrob]

I find this rather humorous. You are talking about the "President" of a company that has a fake puppet owner who is a young mother having nothing to do with anything remotely related to timeshares. The "business" address is a mail drop box in Miami. This setup is extremely similar to their new closing company which is also owned by a young mother having absolutely nothing to do with the industry.

This entire operation is very strange and no doubt very massive encompassing many legal entities. The likely person behind all of it is David MacMillan. We know for a fact that he owned the company with the DBA Pacific Transfer. I will bet big dollars that every entity from this point forward will be owned by someone that is paid off to be a legal owner. David Cohen, if that is a real person, is also likely involved. They have companies gathering the inventory and collecting millions. Then they have the sales companies offloading the inventory. Lastly the closing companies try and sweep up the mess. It is all ONE operation.

All that said, they are not taking the money and running. They do seem to be taking up front fees and disposing of the timeshare whether it is through a legit transfer or a viking ship.

No, I was talking about David, not the young mother "puppet". I was probably not clear, I was talking about the person who listed it, who lists himself as the president of Sell Timeshare LLC and is seller "luky987" on ebay, not the "president" of the closing company. My point to the OP was that if it was the same number he would know there is no one else that his contact would be going to, which is what he suspects.

 

[massvacationer]

I purchased from luky987 / Selltimeshare.org back in early September. I paid and signed and returned all the paperwork to Pacific.

Since then, I have heard nothing from Pacific Transfers. I have repeatedly emailed the contact (Stephanie) who sent me the paperwork ....and heard nothing back.

IMO: Their services is well below a grade "C"

 

[topmom101]

I also purchased a TS from Luky 987. Signed all the papers and returned them to Pacific. I thought everything was going smoothly and when I was notified by Gina Sullivan of Pacific that the appropriate documents had been sent to the resort I was sure it was a done deal and booked my airfare. In my defense this happened before I found TUG. A few days later, I received a letter from the resort (I was already an owner there) informing me they were in receipt of said documents but the week I had purchased had already been transferred to someone else a week prior.

I called Luky987 and after days and days was finally able to reach him. His explanation was that he didn't know how that could have happened but he guessed the owners listed their TS for sale with several people. Because I had booked airfare he promised he would find me a similar week in Aruba but, of course, I never heard from him again.

 

[massvacationer]

I also purchased a TS from Luky 987. Signed all the papers and returned them to Pacific. I thought everything was going smoothly and when I was notified by Gina Sullivan of Pacific that the appropriate documents had been sent to the resort I was sure it was a done deal and booked my airfare. In my defense this happened before I found TUG. A few days later, I received a letter from the resort (I was already an owner there) informing me they were in receipt of said documents but the week I had purchased had already been transferred to someone else a week prior.

I called Luky987 and after days and days was finally able to reach him. His explanation was that he didn't know how that could have happened but he guessed the owners listed their TS for sale with several people. Because I had booked airfare he promised he would find me a similar week in Aruba but, of course, I never heard from him again.

Did you get your purchase price back from Luky?

 

[topmom101]

Massvationer, there was still no money involved at that point. Because I had been burned once before on an EBay TS purchase I had told Luky that I was uncomfortable sending money and he said he'd wait until I felt secure enough with the transaction to send payment.

Thinking back, that doesn't make much sense, does it??

 

[Saintsfanfl]

Massvationer, there was still no money involved at that point. Because I had been burned once before on an EBay TS purchase I had told Luky that I was uncomfortable sending money and he said he'd wait until I felt secure enough with the transaction to send payment.

Thinking back, that doesn't make much sense, does it??

It actually does make sense depending on what it is you purchased. With the vast majority of timeshares they are more than happy to transfer for free. They already got paid from the previous owners wanting out of the timeshare.

 

[Conan]

I'm late to this thread but I'll mention something that worked for me when an Ebay seller lost interest in holding up their end after I sent them money for a timeshare.

I visited my local police station (I'm in a small suburban town, which surely helped) and told my story. The Officer took my info (seller's name and address - - the phone number was unlisted) and asked me to wait outside while he phoned them. They were in another State--he might have phoned their local police first but that's not how I remember it; also he told me police have access to unlisted numbers.

He came back and told me the seller was a young woman. He hadn't reached her but he spoke with her father and passed along the message and my number. She called me the next day, complained a bit about the pressure I'd put on her, and finished all the paperwork and got me my deed within a week.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

I'm late to this thread but I'll mention something that worked for me when an Ebay seller lost interest in holding up their end after I sent them money for a timeshare.

I visited my local police station (I'm in a small suburban town, which surely helped) and told my story. The Officer took my info (seller's name and address - - the phone number was unlisted) and asked me to wait outside while he phoned them. They were in another State--he might have phoned their local police first but that's not how I remember it; also he told me police have access to unlisted numbers.

He came back and told me the seller was a young woman. He hadn't reached her but he spoke with her father and passed along the message and my number. She called me the next day, complained a bit about the pressure I'd put on her, and finished all the paperwork and got me my deed within a week.

That is actually a rather strange story. Most of the ebay issues, including the direct relevance of this thread, relate to timeshare companies that operate on a massive scale. Literally thousands of timeshare transfers in a single year. These companies operate with phone numbers and addresses that do not point to the real people involved in the operations. Your purchase was with an individual seller which is a different matter. Your tactic might work in your case in dealing with an individual but with the company in question they are quite immune to it. When they get tired of too much pressure they just change company names.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Buyer Beware

Another seller in this group, apparently, is wwptshares. Same company, I suspected, because the ad looks the same. This is a eBay ID used less often, and so I had no idea. Sneaky. They are tricky. So beware.

I bid on a week they had listed. I bid $560, and I was blocked from bidding. The timeshare went for $1.50. Glad to know. For $1.50, the winner of the bid didn't risk much....I would have accepted the risk of using them for $1.50. :rofl:

 

[csxjohn]

Another seller in this group, apparently, is wwptshares. Same company, I suspected, because the ad looks the same. This is a eBay ID used less often, and so I had no idea. Sneaky. They are tricky. So beware.

I bid on a week they had listed. I bid $560, and I was blocked from bidding. The timeshare went for $1.50. Glad to know. For $1.50, the winner of the bid didn't risk much....I would have accepted the risk of using them for $1.50. :rofl:

I'm currently watching a TS offered by wwptshares for a friend and agree that it is the same outfit. They even eliminated the name of the closing company as did lucky.

They have a property that my friend is interested in but I did warn him about the reputation, the "private" auction, and the inability to use a credit card.

This particular auction includes all fees and 2014 use, so he may be tempted to bid and see what happens.

 

[AlbertaTravel]

Ask me what I think of Resortcom

Ok thought I might update on the status of the VDP TS.
So I received the transfer docs which I took to my lawyer and we signed and they were sent back to Pacific Transfer (not In Less Time). Here's where it gets even more interesting.
Pacific sent them to Resortcom at the beginning of Nov and sent me the tracking no and who signed for it etc etc.
So we wait. I keep bugging Pacific Transfer and then start bothering Resortcom. Well this is what happened.
I guess resortcom is not known for speedy paperwork. By the time they get to it MF for 2014 are due. So I actually find the owner of the TS and talk to him. He did what he had to do (phoned resortcom) in Nov to tell them to do the transfer. Nothing. So I phone Pacific and they conference call with the owner and resort com. It turns out the owner has paid for one week of 2014 because resortcom took so long but they want the second week paid before they do the transfer. And they said if I would like to pay it they will tell the servicing dept that the MF for 2014 are paid and THEN do the transfer. So I told them no problem as long as I receive an email from them to confirm once the payment is made they will do the transfer. Oh gee, can't do that you know. There is a privacy issue. Wait you want me to send you money but I can't get anything from you. :rofl::rofl::rofl: So I think I will get hold of the owner again and send him half the money, ask him to pay the whole thing and when it's in my name I will send him the rest. That way we have to trust each other which I think is far better than trusting resortcom. So this time it wasn't Pacific Transfer's fault other than being kind of slow.

 

[AlbertaTravel]

I'm in shock

Ok thought I might update on the status of the VDP TS.
So I received the transfer docs which I took to my lawyer and we signed and they were sent back to Pacific Transfer (not In Less Time). Here's where it gets even more interesting.
Pacific sent them to Resortcom at the beginning of Nov and sent me the tracking no and who signed for it etc etc.
So we wait. I keep bugging Pacific Transfer and then start bothering Resortcom. Well this is what happened.
I guess resortcom is not known for speedy paperwork. By the time they get to it MF for 2014 are due. So I actually find the owner of the TS and talk to him. He did what he had to do (phoned resortcom) in Nov to tell them to do the transfer. Nothing. So I phone Pacific and they conference call with the owner and resort com. It turns out the owner has paid for one week of 2014 because resortcom took so long but they want the second week paid before they do the transfer. And they said if I would like to pay it they will tell the servicing dept that the MF for 2014 are paid and THEN do the transfer. So I told them no problem as long as I receive an email from them to confirm once the payment is made they will do the transfer. Oh gee, can't do that you know. There is a privacy issue. Wait you want me to send you money but I can't get anything from you. :rofl::rofl::rofl: So I think I will get hold of the owner again and send him half the money, ask him to pay the whole thing and when it's in my name I will send him the rest. That way we have to trust each other which I think is far better than trusting resortcom. So this time it wasn't Pacific Transfer's fault other than being kind of slow.

Well I just received email from resortcom that my transfer has gone thru. I really can't believe but I now own 2 winter gold weeks at VDP. I really thought I would be writing off the money as lesson learned.

 

[moosewing3]

I bought from lucky987/selltimeshare in December. They no longer use pacific for the transfer. I bought in Egret Point, Hilton Head and had no issues, they had stated that the transfer could take 60-90 days, I recieved my title tonight, 56 days after I paid. All my emails have been answered promptly, voicemails not so much, but at least they kept in contact when I had a question. Have to say I am happy. I have purchased a second one from Worldwide Property transfers, they are also going to use In Less Time Closings. Hope all goes well, will keep you posted.

 

[Saintsfanfl]

I bought from lucky987/selltimeshare in December. They no longer use pacific for the transfer. I bought in Egret Point, Hilton Head and had no issues, they had stated that the transfer could take 60-90 days, I recieved my title tonight, 56 days after I paid. All my emails have been answered promptly, voicemails not so much, but at least they kept in contact when I had a question. Have to say I am happy. I have purchased a second one from Worldwide Property transfers, they are also going to use In Less Time Closings. Hope all goes well, will keep you posted.

Do you know who the legal owner of In Less Time Closings is? It's an unemployed single mother who drinks alot and lives in the middle of nowhere. She has nothing to do with anything remotely related to the operation. Who you think you are buying from and who is doing the closing is not actually reality. When you get what you bargained for it is great. When you don't? Not so much. How do you file a complaint or sue someone that has no assets or any connection whatsoever to the real people?

It is interesting that many of the first names of the people at In Less Time are the same names as the people from the old company. What a coincidence.

 

[moosewing3]

Been a long time getting back to this topic. My first closing did not go as well as I had thought, took a lot of running around and ended up having to change the terms of the original purchase. Luckily I work in LE and have an investigative backround and was able to spend some time looking into this and tracing the priciples down including the original timeshare owner, who probably was the person who came out the worst in the whole process. After talking with him I would never use a relief company to get rid of a timeshare. Long story short, timeshare redale is a very murky business basically controlled by a small group of people, particularly David M. Oddly enough I got his personal cell number from a craiglist ad where he was trying to cell a car. I tracked down lucky987, had a rather informative chat with him once I confronted him with the fact that his "office" was a mail drop inside a bodega in Miami. He was quite forthcoming about how things work and went as far as to tell me that the many companies involved in the ebay resales are basically one and that they owed him a substantial sum of money. I am enjoying my two bargain timeshares but after this experience and knowing what I know now will probably not buy anymore.