[ 2012 ] Optimal Owner Care

[topmom101]

Love TUG. So much to learn.

 

[roshe]

So far so good

I've been with OOC since August 2013. For rentals during the last four months of 2013, I received a little over $1500. Not the big bucks that I've seen mentioned on this board, but I'm satisfied. OOC has already rented out 1 million points for me in 2014. True enough, I won't see the money until after the reservation check-out dates but it's still like money in the bank. I wound up paying $9000 for an extra 210,000 points(wholesale, as they call it). The points are now in a Wyndham contract with the same benefits as all my other Platinum points. Don't know how that works, I've been told it couldn't?? Anyway, I can't complain about their service or their willingness to talk when I have questions. Hope everyone has a Happy New Year!!! Til later, roshe

 

[Rent_Share]

I've been with OOC since August 2013. For rentals during the last four months of 2013, I received a little over $1500. Not the big bucks that I've seen mentioned on this board, but I'm satisfied. OOC has already rented out 1 million points for me in 2014. True enough, I won't see the money until after the reservation check-out dates but it's still like money in the bank. I wound up paying $9000 for an extra 210,000 points(wholesale, as they call it). The points are now in a Wyndham contract with the same benefits as all my other Platinum points. Don't know how that works, I've been told it couldn't?? Anyway, I can't complain about their service or their willingness to talk when I have questions. Hope everyone has a Happy New Year!!! Til later, roshe

Keep on shilling

 

[ronparise]

Im not a shill

I think Optimal Owner Care and Point Pay Direct is a legit operation...Why the two names? The have two different business models, In the one they agree to manage your account and they pay you a percentage of the rental income. No guarantees, but chances are that your return will be greater than your mf. The second plan is that they pay a fixed price for your points (4.5 or 5 cents per 1000 as I recall)

I would have gone with them to manage one of my accounts except for their payment policy. ie thay pay after the customers vacation is over.

Im using other similar services now with a better pay out plan


My reason for posting this is to simply say that not all timeshare related businesses are scams, and not all testimonials are shills.

If you are tempted to hire someone like this dont listen to the people on this board that have no experience doing what you want to do. and dont listen to the "shills" either. Do your homework, start small to limit the risk and then make your own decision

 

[DeniseM]

This is the issue - Roshe has only posted 3 times on TUG, and all 3 times he posted in this thread to promoted this company. He may be perfectly legit, but it's odd that this company is his only interest on TUG.

 

[Rent_Share]

Not to mention he paid 50 % of retail for points worth somewhere between, pay all my expenses plus next years maintenance fees and $1,000 in return for future rental income.

 

[roshe]

To you nay-sayers

DeniseM, I guess it is 'the' issue, that I'm commenting solely on my experience with OOC, since that is what I stated as my purpose in my first post. I'm not singing praises for the company by any means, rather, I remain somewhat wary of what is yet to come. I was looking for a 'user friendly' means to help offset my MF's, and their services seemed to fit the bill. Hopefully, most of your 35,000+ posts have been more enlightening and useful than your last about me.

As for Rent Share David, I think you haven't checked on Wyndham retail prices lately. In 2000, 154,000 pts. cost $14,800. In 2008, 346,000 pts. cost $48,000, and both of those were at 'reduced' retail prices. My recent purchase of 210,000 pts. for $9000 isn't close to 50%. Your reasoning there is about as clear as the last bit of your post, which was senseless and mundane gibberish.

I plan to continue updating this thread with my results, dealing with OOC. Sorry DeniseM, if that is an 'issue' for you, kindly skip over my post. Good day, roshe

 

[TUGBrian]

Think what he is saying, is that noone here cares what wyndham retail prices are, as noone here would buy retail when you can get those same points for pennies on the dollar in the resale market.

there is an ad for 336,000 annual points for 1 penny in the marketplace...and the seller pays all closing costs.

it is likely for that fact that other folks are skeptical of your opinion of another company.


(well that and you registered to post on an old thread)

 

[Rent_Share]

Your reasoning there is about as clear as the last bit of your post, which was senseless and mundane gibberish.

My mundane gibberish is factual, and intended to contradict the lies that companies providing "relief" for your heirs from your timeshare burden.



http://www.timesharetrap.com/how-to-refuse-a-timeshare-inheritance.html

 

[roshe]

Where is here?

You stated that noone "here", cares about the price of retail. I think that is a huge overstatement, considering the number of people reading and/or posting "here". I've seen questions about that very fact myself. You might be surprised to know how many people reading "here", have paid retail, but then again, that wouldn't interest you because you're "here". Regards, roshe

 

[TUGBrian]

I didnt say noone here paid retail...this site is full of folks who made that mistake prior to finding TUG.

I would say that noone here who has found TUG (other than yourself as you claim) thinks its a good idea to buy retail after discovering the resale market.

Well, noone who doesn't stand to gain anything by promoting such a belief anyway.



fact is, this thread is full of random folks who registered just to promote this company including some that registered multiple names to pretend to be more than one satisfied customer...legitimate or not, it paints an unflattering picture.


I personally am extremely skeptical of someone who claims they got a great deal on 200k wyndham points for $9k ....I doubt i am alone in that line of thinking either.

 

[Rent_Share]

fact is, this thread is full of random folks who registered just to promote this company...legitimate or not, it paints an unflattering picture.

Including the one

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." – William Shakespeare (Hamlet)"

 

[roshe]

Blind leading the blind

It seems some of you folks "here" have your own agenda and purpose and that is clearly to make unclear just what "here" is all about. I didn't know I had opened an old thread, time passes so fast and it doesn't seem that long ago I was reading posts with questions about OOC. I merely started an open dialog, presenting the facts of my experience with OOC. As I stated, I'm not putting them up on a pedestal or anything of the kind. I took a risk in signing on with them to see if ,in fact, they could help me with my MF's. I've been reading "here" for a long time, I didn't just start on this thread, and so far I haven't seen any worth while advice from "here" to help with a situation that may could have been averted if I had the vast knowledge, or access to it "here", before I paid a substantial price for what I have. It is apparent that the likes of Rent Share David and DeniceM, to name a couple, are so full of themselves, there's hardly any room for objective reasoning. Once a person has gotten into a situation, they didn't see coming, they may just start grasping for straws, perhaps OOC is a straw. There certainly hasn't been any help or encouragement "here". If my posts can help anyone else who needs a little help, after they've overloaded themselves, I'll be proud to have posted something "here" that was finally of some benefit. I hope to continue updating my progress with OOC, even if it ruffles some feathers. Regards, roshe PS. If this is an old thread, should I start another? I really want to keep posting on my experience with them.

 

[TUGBrian]

lol, the title of the thread has the year 2012 in it mate.

to each his own...but its simply baffling to me how you spew such obvious hate for a site that has existed for over 20 years to help owners avoid bad decisions....yet such glowing love for a random obscure company you claim to have no affiliation with.

While this new venture may turn out to be a great one (at least one other person seems to think the model is sound)...surely you see the obvious skepticism from folks who have seen the same pattern over and over again.

1. Thread starts about xyz company
2. numerous first time posters chime in on how awesome it is
3. people start to question said new first posters motives

4. new posters are either never heard from again, are outed as shills due to emails/ips/etc matching xyz company info, or get abrasive and post about how this site sucks and they are just trying to help people out.

its a pattern we see day in and day out....and it was proven earlier in this thread there were folks pretending to be happy customers of said company that were indeed not.

If you dont see that as a valid reason for many folks to be skeptical...well you simply either have blinders on...are choosing to ignore it...or have some other motive.

 

[roshe]

To TugBrian

"I personally am extremely skeptical of someone who claims they got a great deal on 200k wyndham points for $9k ....I doubt i am alone in that line of thinking either."

I'm surprised you seem to think that was a good deal. Rent Share David thinks it's quite poor. I can give the name of the company that provided such a 'poor' or 'great' deal, but that would be misconstrued as an advertisement.

Now that the year 2012 has been pointed out to me, maybe I'll open a new thread for 2014. I'm now aware that some of you that post regularly "here", are set in your ways and will not consider the possibility of a bona fide business that can be of help to some of us 'others'. I don't know why so much time is spent by you to endlessly and uselessly refute, deny and show disdain for ideas that someone reading "here", may find helpful for their situation. As for Rent Share David, a good many of his posts seem to be so vague and nonsensical, not even TugBrian could explain it reasonably. What a waste. roshe

 

[roshe]

Hey TugBrain

I just reviewed one of your earlier posts and happened to notice such phrases as "spewing such obvious hate for a site" and also, "yet such glowing love for a random obscure company". My kind sir, you haven't a clue as to my "spewing obvious hate", which certainly hasn't been done on nor toward this site.
As to the "glowing love for a random obscure company", a bit too much drama there. Apparently you haven't read my posts or maybe forgot what you read or perhaps continuing to ignore, like so many of your cronies, what is the 'actual' purpose of this site. That is to help people avoid making bad mistakes, preferrably beforehand. I think is would also be of great value to find ways to help those of us who were not so fortunate as yourself and others "here", who made wise, timely purchases ages ago. I, for one, am merely trying to feel my way through this maze, hoping for help with MF's which I assume we all pay as timeshare owners. I am not the enemy and if OOC is, I'll find out the hard way. Til they show otherwise, I'm onboard, roshe

 

[TUGBrian]

I dont think its a good deal, its an awful one....hence my comment.

 

[ronparise]

Brian and Denise

The poster is right. The party line here is never ever believe good things about anybody that makes their living in the timeshare business especially if they are not Tug members. Denise even has a form letter she posts regularly that doesn't just warn about upfront fee companies and folks that cold call or do mass mailing to find new customers. She actually says that those things mark the company as scam artists, that's a little strong, and just not true

I don't work with Optimal Care but I do with three other companies that made the same pitch. And I've listened to the pitch of several others. I'm convinced that none of then are scammers. In fact this week I've banked 3 checks totaling $9700. I expect them all to clear

So I understand and appreciate the warnings and recommendations but the over generalizations offered up as fact go too far. We are all big boys and girls here. Thanks for the information, we can make up our own minds. What I don't appreciate is being called a shill or scammer myself. Rent share has called me out as a Wyndham plant... And that's not true either

I probably get a call or email every week from folks asking my advice on timeshare related topics. These are all questions that have been discussed at one time or another on tug. So why do they call me? I think it's because the tug party line is not helpful to someone already in deep doo-doo

 

[TUGBrian]

that fear exists for a very good reason.

surely you, just like the poster in question, can see why folks are skeptical.

 

[Beefnot]

I think we do folks a disservice by painting with such absolutely broad and bright strokes. TUG should help folks to vet the legitmacy and effectiveness of all options out there, and to make well-informed decisions across these options, even if some of those options many people might deem 'sub-optimal'.

 

[roshe]

Kudos to Mr. Parise

I am very thankful for Ron Parise's comments and attitude about this group. You people say that we shoud understand your skepticism. It's not like we're twisting your arms, trying to make you do or not do something. As I've stated before, I am only trying to post a running tally of my experience with OOC. I haven't praised them at all. Neither do I seek to encourage anyone else to use them. I simply plan to record my progress(hopefully), or in the other case, my failure. Also, I would not characterize responses from this group as skeptical, more like paranoid. Sometimes, overly protective parents can unwittingly deprive their kids of much needed learning. Thanks again Mr. Parise, roshe

 

[roshe]

Still going

Just deposited another check from OOC. Didn't double my bank balance but every little bit helps. So far I haven't seen a glitch in the system.

On a different note, if you can get out(due to the weather), go out and buy a Valentine for someone you love. Best wishes, roshe

 

[comicbookman]

As someone who made the mistake of buying retail before finding Tug, I can state that there appears to be no reason left to buy retail. No offense, but anyone who after finding Tug thinks spending $9,000 on 200,000 wyndham points is suspect. While I also agree with Ron that the business model is sound. (I am currently researching it and may test some of these companies in the near future). I think Brian and Denise started off ok, but the poster certainly looks more and more like a shrill upset at being found out with each post.

 

[roshe]

To the comikalmanboo

"No offense, but anyone who after finding Tug thinks spending $9,000 on 200,000 wyndham points is suspect."

Well, here again is someone who has a problem with language. I've read that sentence several times, and it still makes no sense. I'm not sure what he's trying to say, and I don't think I'm a 'shrill'. But to the point, I bought all my retail points before finding TUG. I had no interest in timeshare news until I became an owner. Even after paying big $$ to purchase Wyndham retail, and now paying ridiculously high MFs, I don't regret the decision. I am under the impression that my retail points entitle me to some benefits, not otherwise offered. As I posted earlier, the 210,000 pts., recently purchased, not retail, have the same benefits as my retail points. If I had known this was possible, I would have done things differently. I have never seen that information offered on TUG. TUG is a large group and I haven't seen much of it so maybe I just missed that section.

If there's anyone reading these posts, that are interested in getting help with your timeshare needs, please don't be discouraged by the negativity of the majority of people on this site. There is help, just don't jump into any boat, until you know what shape it's in. Happy Valentine's Day tomorrow. roshe