[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

[truthr]

Had a very informative discussion with the Bank and our financial advisor. NM can try to collect from you and threaten all kinds of actions NONE of which will be honoured by any financial institution in Canada.
However if they take you to court and sue you for payment they cannot touch pensions, RIFFS etc EVEN if they get a judgement against you. Their ability to collect legally is very restricted, but they can badger you relentlessly without going to court. But that amounts to Huff and Puff. I am sure that Judge Young will enjoy having all these trivial civil cases on her docket considering what I heard her say to NM'S hard to hear mumbler
last year when he said he was still going to file individual claims.
All we wanted to do when they came up with the plan to renovate and realign was to say goodbye it is yours to do with as you please and turn it over to them as per our contact section 13 or in the worst case free of charge.
Thought that was the premise of the court case we all just went through collectively, but our representation got that objective confused by making an agreement for us ( without consultation with us) to pay more than the cost of our initial purchase of the lease.
Still going to follow up with Service Alberta , elected MLA's and play the Elder Abuse card as well

Regarding Judge Young, if you read her decision it includes ALL Geldert clients - at least that is how I read it but again I am not a lawyer.
The reason it was before her was because she was promised (by our attorney) that it would all be heard before her to not burden the courts.
In most instances there were already individual Statement of Claims filed. So her ruling encompasses all Geldert clients. Again that is how I read it.
Also it is impossible for any one to advise any one of us without having all the documents pertaining to this debacle. Too many winding, intertwining webs.

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

One of our group asked if something existed to gather their own information / documentation and this needs to be requested from the "lawyer on record" which should be Barry King or someone within that firm for both Alberta and BC. An individual request needs to be made to provide the required documentation.

Depending on individual circumstances with timing related to when you joined the Litigation Group you will need to verify your own "Dispute Notice" to see if Barry King from Strathcona Law Group or Cox Taylor is listed as the Lawyer on Record. If you have Cox Taylor listed send your email request to both firms - unfortunately I do not have contact info for Cox Taylor but you should be able to look it up if you have any past correspondences.

If you don't have a copy of your "Dispute Notice" request it from Barry King.



Dear Mr. King,

We are a member of the Geldert litigation group and have lost all trust and confidence in Michael Geldert's ability to represent us.

You or someone from your office is the lawyer on record for this action and our personal Dispute Notice and as such we are requesting that you send us any and all documents that pertain to these proceedings.

In addition we request that you do NOT file anything with the court nor represent us in any way without our prior consultation and permission.


His email address is: barry@strathconalawgroup.com

 

[Tanny13]

Before you pay up you may want to ask your new lawyer what it will mean. Paying up usually means a person admits to the settlement.

Not paying the settlement. No chance of that! If I have to pay it will be for the RPF and outstanding maintenance fees. Period.

 

[Hotpink]

Truth R You are correct we were all MG clients at that time , but what I heard was they had filed a number of claims both in Alberta and BC and that several were already outdated/past expiry and would need to be refiled and that he MR S. was going to continue to file on behalf of NM individual claims. Judge Young indicated that she was unhappy about that but he did have that right and was hopeful this current action would relieve her judicial department of that onslaught of actions.

Her decision is very specific and does not discuss any of these comments / exchanges as they would only be in trial transcripts which I do not have.
With our lawyer causing many of us to reject the "negotiated settlement" NM will have no alternative but to sue us individually and I am sure it will please her judicial department to know they have work for the next several years. Or as Judge Young said "I will be retired before this is over" * *Quoted from my memory of the day.

Remember that collection agencies only get remunerated when they collect and NM has gotten their rate with Mr. S reduced according to what we heard in the town hall meeting in Edmonton with MG present.
NM is just trying to maximize their income /profit with no return to the consumers (us) and who knows about the investors.

They may cease to exist before they can take us all to court to sue for the inflated amounts.

 

[Lostmyshirt]

So therefore the rush to get an agreement signed?? before the end of the year??? sounds pretty suspicious to me!

 

[Broke Mama]

I'm being told to decide to sign settlement in 20 minutes or we are out.?? What are people's response.

 

[Lostmyshirt]

I'm being told to decide to sign settlement in 20 minutes or we are out.?? What are people's response.

how is that possible considering all the threats and deadlines we had days ago??

 

[Broke Mama]

So far we are not accepting the settlement. Does anyone else have a plan or idea what we should do next? I wrote Geldert law with my questions and did not receive a response. They told me I had 20 min to accept the settlement without answering any of my questions.

 

[Petus@18]

So far we are not accepting the settlement. Does anyone else have a plan or idea what we should do next? I wrote Geldert law with my questions and did not receive a response. They told me I had 20 min to accept the settlement without answering any of my questions.

20 min?? What a #@%, MG is finally showing the real person he is and knows he has the upper hand now. It will be difficult to find a good lawyer in such a short time. We will keep trying. I hope that all of the letters everyone of us is sending will open the door to seek justice. Lets keep each other informed if anyone finds a lawyer that the rest of us could also retain. At this point is difficult to tell how many of us will be paying the settlement?? I don't have a fax machine, is there an email for the Provincial Courts that we could use?

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

It keeps getting worse the more one digs, It appears one of the lawyers working on our file at Strathcona Law Group, Bradley J. Willis, is disbarred and I cannot see that he has been reinstated.

His name can be found on the December 19th invoice update a couple of times and has been paid about $10,000 out of our trust money.

See the links below to see the terminology for a disbarred lawyer and the notice of disbarment (it’s like reading exactly what we have going on right now only on a much smaller scale):

https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/regulation/terminology/

https://dvbat5idxh7ib.cloudfront.ne...2017/02/04232740/Willis-Notice-Disbarment.pdf


I think I am going to be sick

 

[CleoB]

It keeps getting worse the more one digs, It appears one of the lawyers working on our file at Strathcona Law Group, Bradley J. Willis, is disbarred and I cannot see that he has been reinstated.

His name can be found on the December 19th invoice update a couple of times and has been paid about $10,000 out of our trust money.

See the links below to see the terminology for a disbarred lawyer and the notice of disbarment (it’s like reading exactly what we have going on right now only on a much smaller scale):

https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/regulation/terminology/

https://dvbat5idxh7ib.cloudfront.ne...2017/02/04232740/Willis-Notice-Disbarment.pdf


I think I am going to be sick

Wow, so Geldert hires a disbarred lawyer to do the negotiations with Northmount and hires a firm with a disbarred lawyer to handle the Edmonton trial. Looks like Geldert was looking for us all to fail and I have to wonder if there is some payoff from Northmount for screwing this all up.

 

[Lily123]

It keeps getting worse the more one digs, It appears one of the lawyers working on our file at Strathcona Law Group, Bradley J. Willis, is disbarred and I cannot see that he has been reinstated.

His name can be found on the December 19th invoice update a couple of times and has been paid about $10,000 out of our trust money.

See the links below to see the terminology for a disbarred lawyer and the notice of disbarment (it’s like reading exactly what we have going on right now only on a much smaller scale):

https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/regulation/terminology/

https://dvbat5idxh7ib.cloudfront.ne...2017/02/04232740/Willis-Notice-Disbarment.pdf


I think I am going to be sick

AS PER LAW SOCIETY OF ALBERTA

NOTICE TO THE PROFESSION

NOTICE TO:
All Active Members and Students-at-Law,
All Executive Directors of other Law Societies in Canada,
All Justices of the Court of Appeal and Court of Queen's Bench, All Judges of the Provincial Court of Alberta,
All Masters in Chambers,
All Clerks of the Court



Notice of Disbarment

On May 21, 2009, a Resignation Committee appointed by the Benchers of the Law Society of Alberta granted the application of Bradley J. Willis to resign in the face of discipline, pursuant to Section 61 of the Legal Profession Act, effective immediately. Pursuant to Section 1(c) of the Act, the effect of the resignation is equivalent to a disbarment. Mr. Willis is therefore disbarred. Mr. Willis resides in Edmonton and practised in Sherwood Park until his disbarment.

Mr. Willis faced a discipline hearing on 32 citations at the time of his resignation application. In his application for resignation, Mr. Willis admitted that he had failed to serve clients in a conscientious, diligent and efficient manner, failed to fulfill representations made to a client, failed to follow accounting rules, failed to fulfill undertakings to the Law Society, and in eight instances, failed to respond to communications to the Law Society in a timely manner.

Mr. Willis provided a written undertaking agreeing to cooperate with the Law Society regarding any future claims against him or the Assurance Fund, and agreeing to pay any deductible related to any insurance claim paid by the Law Society insurer.
The files from Mr. Willis’s practice are being handled by:
Barry M. King Strathcona Law Group 132 Heritage Court

 

[truthr]

Wow, so Geldert hires a disbarred lawyer to do the negotiations with Northmount and hires a firm with a disbarred lawyer to handle the Edmonton trial. Looks like Geldert was looking for us all to fail and I have to wonder if there is some payoff from Northmount for screwing this all up.

I do not see where it says the disbarred lawyer was hired to do the negotiations or to actually handle any trial. Although disbarred lawyers working on active files is frowned upon.
Strathcona Law Group was given Brad Willis's files when he was disbarred - so there is a connection.
David Wotherspoon is the lawyer (in good standing to my knowledge) who according to his letter and Geldert did the final negotiations with Northmont.

This train wreck is bad enough without spreading false information. The facts are bad enough.

 

[easy prey]

Geldert is still our lawyer for now. I don't see how he can't be and handle executing the so called settlement. Which means he still has obligations to us. We should be emailing him with questions and specifically instructing him to address the answers to the questions and answers to the entire group via email. We have a right to know how this settlement was arrived at or any other questions we may have. He is obligated to answer our questions. Once he ceases to be our lawyer he might not be obliged to answer our questions.

As they say, if it's not in writing it didn't happen.

If he ignores our emails than we have a record of no response. More issues to raise with the law society.

I strongly believe the window for getting answers out of him is quickly closing also.

There are a lot of us. Please take the time to time to do this. If only a few of us do this it's pointless.

We should be giving him a deadline to respond as well. One that gives us sometime before their February 15, 2018 deadline. This should be reflected in each of our emails. I propose January 19, 2018. If anyone prefers another date just say it.

 

[Spark1]

I do not see where it says the disbarred lawyer was hired to do the negotiations or to actually handle any trial. Although disbarred lawyers working on active files is frowned upon.
Strathcona Law Group was given Brad Willis's files when he was disbarred - so there is a connection.
David Wotherspoon is the lawyer (in good standing to my knowledge) who according to his letter and Geldert did the final negotiations with Northmont.

This train wreck is bad enough without spreading false information. The facts are bad enough.

 

[Bewildered]

I don’t think anyone is going to figure this out in the short-term so my opinion is to bombard your MLA your MP and all the following contacts with emails. I am not part of the Facebook crowd on this issue but believe there is strong following there so if someone is part of that group please spread the word. I still think hundreds of us going to Edmonton taking up the cause at the Legislature would get someone’s attention and the press but I’m not in a position to organize a rally. Come on someone from the City of Champs step up! Anyways we can all continue to post our opinions but the truth is the decisions were pretty devastating other than Judge Young allowing for discussion around interest and costs but you are still going to be stuck with this sinking ship timeshare week and a separate$16000 bill to rid yourself of it according to MG. Best is to blow the lid off this $30 some million dollar secret and get the media on it, in my opinion.

Here are possible contacts and you can easily find your MLA and MP online. A generic letter is below, not perfect but built for impacting the elected official not to retry our lost cause case. If we don’t say something right now we won’t get another chance in my opinion.

British Columbia Law Society: professionalconduct@lsbc.org

Alberta Law Society (link to submit form)
https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/public/providing-information-concerning-a-lawyer/intake-specialist/

Alberta Consumer Protection Line
1-877-427-4088 (toll-free)

Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre toll free at 1-888-495-8501 or through the Fraud Reporting System (FRS).

Honourable Kathleen Ganley
Alberta Minister of Justice and Solicitor General
Members of Executive Council
Executive Branch
424 Legislature Building
10800 - 97 Avenue
Edmonton, AB
T5K 2B6
Phone: 780 427-2339
Fax: 780 422-6621
E-mail: ministryofjustice@gov.ab.ca


BC Ministry of Attorney General
Honorable David Eby, Minister
JAG.minister@gov.bc.ca



To Whom it May Concern

One of the biggest miscarriages of justice is presently being perpetuated on thousands of citizens of Alberta and British Columbia and no one seems to know or care about it.


If someone told you one person in this country was being held for ransom unless they paid $24,000 it would be front page news. In reality there are thousands of citizens and taxpayers presently being threatened by a $24,000 demand or more to be released by Northmont timeshare in Fairmont Hot Springs, British Columbia. This is to give up their right to own a one week timeshare they have already paid tens of thousands to own (many people’s amounts are higher).


Well over a thousand people were duped into trusting Geldert Law from BC to litigate on our behalf to navigate us through the complex legalities of getting out of this timeshare mess but in the end Mr. Geldert also took our money and became implicit in this timeshare scam after promising the world and ending up negotiating an unforgivable average release fee of $24,000!!! This is only to rid ourselves all of an ever growing bill that is being charged at over 26% per annum!!


You will hear this went through the courts and I believe the Honorable Justice Young was more than concerned about the interest being applied but either due to complete incompetence or perhaps other reasons, Geldert Law and his associates failed to even try to successfully raise this as an issue. Geldert Law has now forced over 1300 people to decide on accepting this coerced settlement in a matter of weeks or as he states Northmont will be able to seize and sell peoples assets! How is this legal? I understand Property owner rights to include:


“A bundle of rights is a set of legal rights afforded to the real estate title holder. It can include the right of possession, the right of control, the right of exclusion, the right of enjoyment and the right of disposition.”


I believe every one of these rights has been violated but especially the latter; the right to dispose which people begrudgingly want to do even though they are giving up the asset they paid dearly for, just for peace of mind to remove themselves from a situation where many feel is simply a criminal scam unfolding in Western Canada.


Northmont also has unilaterally changed our contracts which seems to be another travesty, somehow the courts never seemed to identify. I understand there is new law (Bill 31) protecting condo owners and could possibly protect us as supposed titled owners of the Sunchaser property in Fairmont BC.


We beg you to take action on behalf of the citizens of Alberta and BC that have nowhere to turn.Thousands of Alberta and BC taxpayers (seniors, young families) are being coerced to turn over large sums of money and people feel absolutely helpless with no one to turn to other than our elected officials, legal community and other organizations responsible to protect the public at large.


In closing, we understand that this situation has went through the court of law on specific issues (mainly to try to save our timeshares) not to be ultimately held ransom for an amount that will destroy lives and families. The Geldert group alone was over 1300 people along with hundreds if not thousands of owners not involved in the litigation who are in the same situation. At $24000 dollars each we are talking about a “30 million dollar” scam against the people of Alberta and BC!! We are feeling betrayed by the very system that is supposed to protect our legal rights with competent and honest legal representation and officials looking out for their citizens.


PLEASE DONT ALLOW INNOCENT TAXPAYERS TO BE DEFRAUDED OUT OF THEIR HARD EARNED DOLLARS THEY DONT EVEN HAVE!


Feel free to contact me at any time for additional information as the urgency of this situation is extremely important.


Sincerely,

 

[CleoB]

I do not see where it says the disbarred lawyer was hired to do the negotiations or to actually handle any trial. Although disbarred lawyers working on active files is frowned upon.
Strathcona Law Group was given Brad Willis's files when he was disbarred - so there is a connection.
David Wotherspoon is the lawyer (in good standing to my knowledge) who according to his letter and Geldert did the final negotiations with Northmont.

This train wreck is bad enough without spreading false information. The facts are bad enough.

Wasn't trying to spread false rumours. My understanding was that the person/lawyer that did the negotiation with Northmount was disbarred. If that is incorrect, my apologizes.

 

[Joe Holland]

For anyone who is a client of Geldert Law and is not currently a member of the "secret" Facebook group for clients only, please contact me to find out how to become a member.

Please send me the information for the Facebook page to : jholland0327@gmail.com

Thank you

 

[Joe Holland]

Is there anyone else in the US that has rejected the settlement? I am not able to justify agreeing to something without having the time to consult with additional legal, therefore, we will continue the battle one way or another.

 

[truthr]

Please send me the information for the Facebook page to : jholland0327@gmail.com

Thank you

I sent you a private message through the conversation section.

 

[Joe Holland]

I sent you a private message through the conversation section.

Thank you

 

[Lily123]

I don’t think anyone is going to figure this out in the short-term so my opinion is to bombard your MLA your MP and all the following contacts with emails. I am not part of the Facebook crowd on this issue but believe there is strong following there so if someone is part of that group please spread the word. I still think hundreds of us going to Edmonton taking up the cause at the Legislature would get someone’s attention and the press but I’m not in a position to organize a rally. Come on someone from the City of Champs step up! Anyways we can all continue to post our opinions but the truth is the decisions were pretty devastating other than Judge Young allowing for discussion around interest and costs but you are still going to be stuck with this sinking ship timeshare week and a separate$16000 bill to rid yourself of it according to MG. Best is to blow the lid off this $30 some million dollar secret and get the media on it, in my opinion.

Here are possible contacts and you can easily find your MLA and MP online. A generic letter is below, not perfect but built for impacting the elected official not to retry our lost cause case. If we don’t say something right now we won’t get another chance in my opinion.

British Columbia Law Society: professionalconduct@lsbc.org

Alberta Law Society (link to submit form)
https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/public/providing-information-concerning-a-lawyer/intake-specialist/

Alberta Consumer Protection Line
1-877-427-4088 (toll-free)

Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre toll free at 1-888-495-8501 or through the Fraud Reporting System (FRS).

Honourable Kathleen Ganley
Alberta Minister of Justice and Solicitor General
Members of Executive Council
Executive Branch
424 Legislature Building
10800 - 97 Avenue
Edmonton, AB
T5K 2B6
Phone: 780 427-2339
Fax: 780 422-6621
E-mail: ministryofjustice@gov.ab.ca


BC Ministry of Attorney General
Honorable David Eby, Minister
JAG.minister@gov.bc.ca



To Whom it May Concern

One of the biggest miscarriages of justice is presently being perpetuated on thousands of citizens of Alberta and British Columbia and no one seems to know or care about it.


If someone told you one person in this country was being held for ransom unless they paid $24,000 it would be front page news. In reality there are thousands of citizens and taxpayers presently being threatened by a $24,000 demand or more to be released by Northmont timeshare in Fairmont Hot Springs, British Columbia. This is to give up their right to own a one week timeshare they have already paid tens of thousands to own (many people’s amounts are higher).


Well over a thousand people were duped into trusting Geldert Law from BC to litigate on our behalf to navigate us through the complex legalities of getting out of this timeshare mess but in the end Mr. Geldert also took our money and became implicit in this timeshare scam after promising the world and ending up negotiating an unforgivable average release fee of $24,000!!! This is only to rid ourselves all of an ever growing bill that is being charged at over 26% per annum!!


You will hear this went through the courts and I believe the Honorable Justice Young was more than concerned about the interest being applied but either due to complete incompetence or perhaps other reasons, Geldert Law and his associates failed to even try to successfully raise this as an issue. Geldert Law has now forced over 1300 people to decide on accepting this coerced settlement in a matter of weeks or as he states Northmont will be able to seize and sell peoples assets! How is this legal? I understand Property owner rights to include:


“A bundle of rights is a set of legal rights afforded to the real estate title holder. It can include the right of possession, the right of control, the right of exclusion, the right of enjoyment and the right of disposition.”


I believe every one of these rights has been violated but especially the latter; the right to dispose which people begrudgingly want to do even though they are giving up the asset they paid dearly for, just for peace of mind to remove themselves from a situation where many feel is simply a criminal scam unfolding in Western Canada.


Northmont also has unilaterally changed our contracts which seems to be another travesty, somehow the courts never seemed to identify. I understand there is new law (Bill 31) protecting condo owners and could possibly protect us as supposed titled owners of the Sunchaser property in Fairmont BC.


We beg you to take action on behalf of the citizens of Alberta and BC that have nowhere to turn.Thousands of Alberta and BC taxpayers (seniors, young families) are being coerced to turn over large sums of money and people feel absolutely helpless with no one to turn to other than our elected officials, legal community and other organizations responsible to protect the public at large.


In closing, we understand that this situation has went through the court of law on specific issues (mainly to try to save our timeshares) not to be ultimately held ransom for an amount that will destroy lives and families. The Geldert group alone was over 1300 people along with hundreds if not thousands of owners not involved in the litigation who are in the same situation. At $24000 dollars each we are talking about a “30 million dollar” scam against the people of Alberta and BC!! We are feeling betrayed by the very system that is supposed to protect our legal rights with competent and honest legal representation and officials looking out for their citizens.


PLEASE DONT ALLOW INNOCENT TAXPAYERS TO BE DEFRAUDED OUT OF THEIR HARD EARNED DOLLARS THEY DONT EVEN HAVE!


Feel free to contact me at any time for additional information as the urgency of this situation is extremely important.


Sincerely,

I don’t think anyone is going to figure this out in the short-term so my opinion is to bombard your MLA your MP and all the following contacts with emails. I am not part of the Facebook crowd on this issue but believe there is strong following there so if someone is part of that group please spread the word. I still think hundreds of us going to Edmonton taking up the cause at the Legislature would get someone’s attention and the press but I’m not in a position to organize a rally. Come on someone from the City of Champs step up! Anyways we can all continue to post our opinions but the truth is the decisions were pretty devastating other than Judge Young allowing for discussion around interest and costs but you are still going to be stuck with this sinking ship timeshare week and a separate$16000 bill to rid yourself of it according to MG. Best is to blow the lid off this $30 some million dollar secret and get the media on it, in my opinion.

Here are possible contacts and you can easily find your MLA and MP online. A generic letter is below, not perfect but built for impacting the elected official not to retry our lost cause case. If we don’t say something right now we won’t get another chance in my opinion.

British Columbia Law Society: professionalconduct@lsbc.org

Alberta Law Society (link to submit form)
https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/public/providing-information-concerning-a-lawyer/intake-specialist/

Alberta Consumer Protection Line
1-877-427-4088 (toll-free)

Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre toll free at 1-888-495-8501 or through the Fraud Reporting System (FRS).

Honourable Kathleen Ganley
Alberta Minister of Justice and Solicitor General
Members of Executive Council
Executive Branch
424 Legislature Building
10800 - 97 Avenue
Edmonton, AB
T5K 2B6
Phone: 780 427-2339
Fax: 780 422-6621
E-mail: ministryofjustice@gov.ab.ca


BC Ministry of Attorney General
Honorable David Eby, Minister
JAG.minister@gov.bc.ca



To Whom it May Concern

One of the biggest miscarriages of justice is presently being perpetuated on thousands of citizens of Alberta and British Columbia and no one seems to know or care about it.


If someone told you one person in this country was being held for ransom unless they paid $24,000 it would be front page news. In reality there are thousands of citizens and taxpayers presently being threatened by a $24,000 demand or more to be released by Northmont timeshare in Fairmont Hot Springs, British Columbia. This is to give up their right to own a one week timeshare they have already paid tens of thousands to own (many people’s amounts are higher).


Well over a thousand people were duped into trusting Geldert Law from BC to litigate on our behalf to navigate us through the complex legalities of getting out of this timeshare mess but in the end Mr. Geldert also took our money and became implicit in this timeshare scam after promising the world and ending up negotiating an unforgivable average release fee of $24,000!!! This is only to rid ourselves all of an ever growing bill that is being charged at over 26% per annum!!


You will hear this went through the courts and I believe the Honorable Justice Young was more than concerned about the interest being applied but either due to complete incompetence or perhaps other reasons, Geldert Law and his associates failed to even try to successfully raise this as an issue. Geldert Law has now forced over 1300 people to decide on accepting this coerced settlement in a matter of weeks or as he states Northmont will be able to seize and sell peoples assets! How is this legal? I understand Property owner rights to include:


“A bundle of rights is a set of legal rights afforded to the real estate title holder. It can include the right of possession, the right of control, the right of exclusion, the right of enjoyment and the right of disposition.”


I believe every one of these rights has been violated but especially the latter; the right to dispose which people begrudgingly want to do even though they are giving up the asset they paid dearly for, just for peace of mind to remove themselves from a situation where many feel is simply a criminal scam unfolding in Western Canada.


Northmont also has unilaterally changed our contracts which seems to be another travesty, somehow the courts never seemed to identify. I understand there is new law (Bill 31) protecting condo owners and could possibly protect us as supposed titled owners of the Sunchaser property in Fairmont BC.


We beg you to take action on behalf of the citizens of Alberta and BC that have nowhere to turn.Thousands of Alberta and BC taxpayers (seniors, young families) are being coerced to turn over large sums of money and people feel absolutely helpless with no one to turn to other than our elected officials, legal community and other organizations responsible to protect the public at large.


In closing, we understand that this situation has went through the court of law on specific issues (mainly to try to save our timeshares) not to be ultimately held ransom for an amount that will destroy lives and families. The Geldert group alone was over 1300 people along with hundreds if not thousands of owners not involved in the litigation who are in the same situation. At $24000 dollars each we are talking about a “30 million dollar” scam against the people of Alberta and BC!! We are feeling betrayed by the very system that is supposed to protect our legal rights with competent and honest legal representation and officials looking out for their citizens.


PLEASE DONT ALLOW INNOCENT TAXPAYERS TO BE DEFRAUDED OUT OF THEIR HARD EARNED DOLLARS THEY DONT EVEN HAVE!


Feel free to contact me at any time for additional information as the urgency of this situation is extremely important.


Sincerely,

I agree, at this point we need to get the attention of a government representative or similar who actually has the power to demand a pause in action being taken against owners and launch an appropriate investigation into this situation. If you read Judge Youngs ruling, her hands are tied, she awarded judgement but could only offered suggestion to negotiate interest and legal fees. She did not mention any solution to an exit cost which is leaving Northmont in a very strong position. We need a higher level of intervention.

Everyone needs to write letters to their MPs and MLAs, a local rally at the Legislature would perhaps bring out the media as well. Focus your efforts on these avenues as they are likely our only chance.

If anyone is aware of a Facebook group related to this issue can you please post the name.

 

[Spark1]

I do not see where it says the disbarred lawyer was hired to do the negotiations or to actually handle any trial. Although disbarred lawyers working on active files is frowned upon.
Strathcona Law Group was given Brad Willis's files when he was disbarred - so there is a connection.
David Wotherspoon is the lawyer (in good standing to my knowledge) who according to his letter and Geldert did the final negotiations with Northmont.

This train wreck is bad enough without spreading false information. The facts are bad enough.

Truth are VIA’s Contracts the same as Vacation Villa Lease Contracts. I have a Vacation Villa Lease and I Know that was the Contract I had right up to the Jeke Test case. I never received any thing from North mont saying my contract has changed. Even if they did Modification to the Lease it must not materially prejudice the rights of existing lessees. This means do not call us co-owners or VIA’s if you try to get rid of our Lease Contract. I just wanted to get your opinion because I will never allow Northmont to destroy my Lease. Besides the court cases started way before the Jeke case and they should not be able to make changes just to suit the mission Northmont is on.

 

[Ultimate_Betrayal]

I don’t think anyone is going to figure this out in the short-term so my opinion is to bombard your MLA your MP and all the following contacts with emails. I am not part of the Facebook crowd on this issue but believe there is strong following there so if someone is part of that group please spread the word. I still think hundreds of us going to Edmonton taking up the cause at the Legislature would get someone’s attention and the press but I’m not in a position to organize a rally. Come on someone from the City of Champs step up! Anyways we can all continue to post our opinions but the truth is the decisions were pretty devastating other than Judge Young allowing for discussion around interest and costs but you are still going to be stuck with this sinking ship timeshare week and a separate$16000 bill to rid yourself of it according to MG. Best is to blow the lid off this $30 some million dollar secret and get the media on it, in my opinion.

Here are possible contacts and you can easily find your MLA and MP online. A generic letter is below, not perfect but built for impacting the elected official not to retry our lost cause case. If we don’t say something right now we won’t get another chance in my opinion.

British Columbia Law Society: professionalconduct@lsbc.org

Alberta Law Society (link to submit form)
https://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/public/providing-information-concerning-a-lawyer/intake-specialist/

Alberta Consumer Protection Line
1-877-427-4088 (toll-free)

Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre toll free at 1-888-495-8501 or through the Fraud Reporting System (FRS).

Honourable Kathleen Ganley
Alberta Minister of Justice and Solicitor General
Members of Executive Council
Executive Branch
424 Legislature Building
10800 - 97 Avenue
Edmonton, AB
T5K 2B6
Phone: 780 427-2339
Fax: 780 422-6621
E-mail: ministryofjustice@gov.ab.ca


BC Ministry of Attorney General
Honorable David Eby, Minister
JAG.minister@gov.bc.ca



To Whom it May Concern

One of the biggest miscarriages of justice is presently being perpetuated on thousands of citizens of Alberta and British Columbia and no one seems to know or care about it.


If someone told you one person in this country was being held for ransom unless they paid $24,000 it would be front page news. In reality there are thousands of citizens and taxpayers presently being threatened by a $24,000 demand or more to be released by Northmont timeshare in Fairmont Hot Springs, British Columbia. This is to give up their right to own a one week timeshare they have already paid tens of thousands to own (many people’s amounts are higher).


Well over a thousand people were duped into trusting Geldert Law from BC to litigate on our behalf to navigate us through the complex legalities of getting out of this timeshare mess but in the end Mr. Geldert also took our money and became implicit in this timeshare scam after promising the world and ending up negotiating an unforgivable average release fee of $24,000!!! This is only to rid ourselves all of an ever growing bill that is being charged at over 26% per annum!!


You will hear this went through the courts and I believe the Honorable Justice Young was more than concerned about the interest being applied but either due to complete incompetence or perhaps other reasons, Geldert Law and his associates failed to even try to successfully raise this as an issue. Geldert Law has now forced over 1300 people to decide on accepting this coerced settlement in a matter of weeks or as he states Northmont will be able to seize and sell peoples assets! How is this legal? I understand Property owner rights to include:


“A bundle of rights is a set of legal rights afforded to the real estate title holder. It can include the right of possession, the right of control, the right of exclusion, the right of enjoyment and the right of disposition.”


I believe every one of these rights has been violated but especially the latter; the right to dispose which people begrudgingly want to do even though they are giving up the asset they paid dearly for, just for peace of mind to remove themselves from a situation where many feel is simply a criminal scam unfolding in Western Canada.


Northmont also has unilaterally changed our contracts which seems to be another travesty, somehow the courts never seemed to identify. I understand there is new law (Bill 31) protecting condo owners and could possibly protect us as supposed titled owners of the Sunchaser property in Fairmont BC.


We beg you to take action on behalf of the citizens of Alberta and BC that have nowhere to turn.Thousands of Alberta and BC taxpayers (seniors, young families) are being coerced to turn over large sums of money and people feel absolutely helpless with no one to turn to other than our elected officials, legal community and other organizations responsible to protect the public at large.


In closing, we understand that this situation has went through the court of law on specific issues (mainly to try to save our timeshares) not to be ultimately held ransom for an amount that will destroy lives and families. The Geldert group alone was over 1300 people along with hundreds if not thousands of owners not involved in the litigation who are in the same situation. At $24000 dollars each we are talking about a “30 million dollar” scam against the people of Alberta and BC!! We are feeling betrayed by the very system that is supposed to protect our legal rights with competent and honest legal representation and officials looking out for their citizens.


PLEASE DONT ALLOW INNOCENT TAXPAYERS TO BE DEFRAUDED OUT OF THEIR HARD EARNED DOLLARS THEY DONT EVEN HAVE!


Feel free to contact me at any time for additional information as the urgency of this situation is extremely important.


Sincerely,

Fantastic work - thanks for contributing and especially for sharing!!

 

[Broke Mama]

Geldert is still our lawyer for now. I don't see how he can't be and handle executing the so called settlement. Which means he still has obligations to us. We should be emailing him with questions and specifically instructing him to address the answers to the questions and answers to the entire group via email. We have a right to know how this settlement was arrived at or any other questions we may have. He is obligated to answer our questions. Once he ceases to be our lawyer he might not be obliged to answer our questions.

As they say, if it's not in writing it didn't happen.

If he ignores our emails than we have a record of no response. More issues to raise with the law society.

I strongly believe the window for getting answers out of him is quickly closing also.

There are a lot of us. Please take the time to time to do this. If only a few of us do this it's pointless.

We should be giving him a deadline to respond as well. One that gives us sometime before their February 15, 2018 deadline. This should be reflected in each of our emails. I propose January 19, 2018. If anyone prefers another date just say it.

I emailed him twice with specific questions and asked him to respond. He didn't respond to my email.