[ 2012 ] Fairmont / Sunchaser / Northwynd official thread with lawsuit info!

[Hey lady]

Amend Survey

Perhaps the owners should conduct their own survey through an independ firm.

 

[TS Migraine]

How do we owners get access to an Owner's List so as to have acces to everyone to obtain the necessary 51 % to oust Northwynd?

 

[MFD]

As Owners, can we not demand to Northwynd that we wish to establish an Owner's Association? And once that happens, are they not then required to forward us a list of all current timeshare owners?

 

[Judythreetimes]

How do we owners get access to an Owner's List so as to have acces to everyone to obtain the necessary 51 % to oust Northwynd?

I think one of the law firms could supoena the list. Maybe they already have?

 

[CleoB]

How do we owners get access to an Owner's List so as to have acces to everyone to obtain the necessary 51 % to oust Northwynd?

From my understanding Jim Belfry has a comprehensive list of the owners and is conducting a survey. You may want to wander over to Facebook and search for "Sunchaser Villas". You'll have to sign up as the admin is trying to weed out those associated with Northwynd/Sunchaser/etc.

 

[Beaverjfw]

Not the Only TS owners fed up with Northwynd

I came across another thread of disgruntled TS owners where Northwynd was involved, this one posted on Tripadvisor.
Have a look at :

http://www.tripadvisor.ca/ShowTopic...bergris_Caye-Ambergris_Caye_Belize_Cayes.html

Thiis is in addition to the Ranchero Baderas property in Mexico.

 

[fairmontlvr]

Why are any of these people in jail?

Northwynd/Sunchaser blames much of the problem on previous owners, which we are finding out are basically the same people, yet if you look at the amount of disgruntled upset people blaming Northwyd/Sunchaser for problems in Costa Maya and Mexico, there seems to be a history of problems and people getting ripped off from Northwyn/Sunchaser.
My question, why are these people not in jail?

Some good reading:
http://cdn.redweek.com/forums/messages?thread_id=14694;page=1;query=

 

[TS Migraine]

Many owners were wondering how Northwynd could send a Court Petition in regular mail rather than a registered letter. In Wankel's Affidavit posted on the Sunchaser site, it reveals that he appealed to Judge Scarth to allow a regular mail out rather than a registered letter claiming costs were prohibitive at over $150,000.00 Registered mail as compared to $15,000.00 regular mail. An owners list of all 15,000 people would be costly mailing fo rus, even with regular mail. I think Jim Belfry has access to the people who have been contacted via FB and email and the law firms in BC originally involved, but I doubt he has the complete list. Docken Klym is posting adds in Major city papers, which leads me to believe they do NOT have a list of owners- and probably law requires owners to come to DK rather than DK recruiting them. Internet is the least expensive way to rally owners, but I am sure Not all ( Senior) owners are into FB and googling TUG. It would seem before we amalgemate to overthrow Northwynd, we have to amalgamate to rally funds and establish an overthrow body.

 

[truthr]

Many owners were wondering how Northwynd could send a Court Petition in regular mail rather than a registered letter. In Wankel's Affidavit posted on the Sunchaser site, it reveals that he appealed to Judge Scarth to allow a regular mail out rather than a registered letter claiming costs were prohibitive at over $150,000.00 Registered mail as compared to $15,000.00 regular mail. An owners list of all 15,000 people would be costly mailing fo rus, even with regular mail. I think Jim Belfry has access to the people who have been contacted via FB and email and the law firms in BC originally involved, but I doubt he has the complete list. Docken Klym is posting adds in Major city papers, which leads me to believe they do NOT have a list of owners- and probably law requires owners to come to DK rather than DK recruiting them. Internet is the least expensive way to rally owners, but I am sure Not all ( Senior) owners are into FB and googling TUG. It would seem before we amalgemate to overthrow Northwynd, we have to amalgamate to rally funds and establish an overthrow body.

Quite frankly I don't care how much it cost to sent such important, time sensitive documents - that should not exclude anyone from following protocol. Hopefully that judge gets his fingers rapped over this as well.
I have been the subject to a Judge making a hasty decision which could have been disastrous had I not been thinking clearly and able to act quickly. Without going into details - the said Judge was none too happy about having that come to bite him in the a** the next day.
Are these judges so spineless that they will let themselves be pushed into circumventing "proper" procedure? :annoyed:

 

[TS Migraine]

Quite frankly I don't care how much it cost to sent such important, time sensitive documents - that should not exclude anyone from following protocol. Hopefully that judge gets his fingers rapped over this as well.
I have been the subject to a Judge making a hasty decision which could have been disastrous had I not been thinking clearly and able to act quickly. Without going into details - the said Judge was none too happy about having that come to bite him in the a** the next day.
Are these judges so spineless that they will let themselves be pushed into circumventing "proper" procedure? :annoyed:

I agree Truthr, it seems absurd Wankel could persuade Judge Scarth to violate Legal Protocol with a cost efficiency argument . More stuff for a devoted Investigative Journalist to research.

 

[Judythreetimes]

I agree Truthr, it seems absurd Wankel could persuade Judge Scarth to violate Legal Protocol with a cost efficiency argument . More stuff for a devoted Investigative Journalist to research.

Tom Harrington of CBC MarketPlace is very interested in this story. Please email your stories to him at marketplace@cbc.ca. Attn: Tom Harrington RE: Northwynd Properties.
These shysters need to be exposed for what they are. Liars and scan/ fraud artists

 

[browger]

Marketplace

Thanks for contacting Tom Harrington. I have written him a note, and I hope lots more do the same. Thanks again

 

[TS Migraine]

Mr. Harrington just got my story, and my cooperation with any future requests for more information.

 

[truthr]

I, as well, have sent an email to CBC marketplace.

 

[Judythreetimes]

thanks for contacting tom harrington. I have written him a note, and i hope lots more do the same. Thanks again

thank you!!!!!

 

[Judythreetimes]

i, as well, have sent an email to cbc marketplace.

thank you!!!!!

 

[Judythreetimes]

mr. Harrington just got my story, and my cooperation with any future requests for more information.

thank you!!!!!

 

[Judythreetimes]

things are going to get ugly

http://globalnews.ca/news/596669/thousands-of-timeshare-owners-face-unexpected-repair-bill/

From the comment section:
What current Northwynd management is trying to do is nothing short of
illegal. In the coming week legal and corporate information and thousands of documents
about Northwynd, past and current management is about to hit the web.
Shocking, it will change the game for all the timeshare owners. New
information that Northwynd/Sunchaser timeshare owners, their lawyers,
the press and all levels of government can use to fight current
management and trustees will be made public and distributed to all
owners and investors via the internet.

 

[truthr]

More Media

More media coverage I just found

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/story/2013/06/11/sk-timeshare-court-13-06-11.html

 

[truthr]

http://globalnews.ca/news/596669/thousands-of-timeshare-owners-face-unexpected-repair-bill/

From the comment section:
What current Northwynd management is trying to do is nothing short of
illegal. In the coming week legal and corporate information and thousands of documents
about Northwynd, past and current management is about to hit the web.
Shocking, it will change the game for all the timeshare owners. New
information that Northwynd/Sunchaser timeshare owners, their lawyers,
the press and all levels of government can use to fight current
management and trustees will be made public and distributed to all
owners and investors via the internet.

Why is this person waiting to release this information?

 

[Judythreetimes]

Why is this person waiting to release this information?

It is more than one person. Confidentiality reasons.

 

[DarkLord]

In Wankel's Affidavit posted on the Sunchaser site.. registered letter claiming costs were prohibitive at over $150,000.00 Registered mail as compared to $15,000.00 regular mail.

Wankel has the audacity to charge owners $4000 but didn't want to spend $10 for registered mail?

 

[golfer54]

Tom Harrington of CBC MarketPlace is very interested in this story. Please email your stories to him at marketplace@cbc.ca. Attn: Tom Harrington RE: Northwynd Properties.
These shysters need to be exposed for what they are. Liars and scan/ fraud artists

New to the forum, but following it since page 5, I have also sent off my story, as well have sent it to the other media posted in the forum. I also retained Docken Klym prior to the deadline. Nothing new to many of the stories posted. We also have a Marriott TS and there is no comparison. Annual increases are pennies, and the properties are well maintained. We also decided to "go" and just use getaways. Found it was easier and in the long run cheaper than trying to exchange. When we bought, and joined the "Platinum Club", and tried to trade for a housebost and couldn't of course, that started a challenging relationship. As an appeasement, got a week in Kelowna..."free" which was a total waste of time as the unit was so old and rundown, we left and checked into a hotel for the balance. Decided after the first attempt at converting us to points, it might be time to go but so many units were for sale, that possibility was slim. From all I have read, they want people to leave and sell off the properties as fractional, etc...the big mistake in all this was to charge exit fees based on lost revenue. Greed at its best. If they retained enough owners that wanted to stay and scaled down the properties, and sold off the rest, it would have made more sense. Would like to stay at Fairmont, but not under this management group or at the cost.

 

[TS Migraine]

Wankel has the audacity to charge owners $4000 but didn't want to spend $10 for registered mail?

Given ( at best) the precarious Legality of the Petition, and the evidently beleagured financial state of Northmont/ Northwynd, they must have felt the expenditure was too risky with no guaranteed return, I think the $10.00 per owner cost intimidated them to make this money grab attempt. I think even Northwynd may have been surprised by how many people JUST WANTED OUT. The Registered Letter cost estimated in the Wankel Affidavit was more than $150,000.00 because it would have involved labour costs for whoever had to faciltate the Registering of the document at Canada post and the trips back and forth to the Courts.The actual costs projected are in Wankel's Affidavit on the Sunchaser site, (~$215,000.00??), but I have read so much financial stuff lately, I can't keep the actual figures in my head. I know it costs $10.00 at CPost to register a letter bc I have done it a few times for PC lawsuits of my own.

 

[DarkLord]

I think the $10.00 per owner cost intimidated them to make this money grab attempt.

Exactly. If this reno is legitimate, owners wouldn't mind paying $10 or so for registered mail as they are spending $4000 each anyway. The difference between $4000 and $4010 is negligible to a reasonable owner's mind.

What it shows is the money grab attempt for Northwynd by aximizing money intake and mimizing cash outlay.