lost and confused
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Hard to fathom that more than half a dozen respected Judges and Justices in two provinces rendered corrupt decisions yet a very inexperienced lawyer was just trying to make the best of a bad situation which resulted in not only many reprimands, court losses but people losing their life savings (past and future).
Not knowing much about the law I trusted Geldert's website that he was what he professed to be "a leading global law firm" and furthermore how could the number of clients possibly be wrong about him. A lot of the clients are either professionals or retired professionals.
As time went by we discovered that Geldert is a "one man show" with little to no litigation experience let alone business/contract and negotiation expertise. By then we were already part of the "Geldert group" with no way out but to give in to Northmont's demands - demands that Geldert assured us he would untangle us from, we just had to be patient as his plan came to fruition. A plan that none of us was privy to, a plan that obviously had no legal basis. He kept feeding us what we wanted to hear so we would keep the "group" together to fight Northmont - strength in numbers and all that bs. MG kept requesting more retainer money from us and encouraged us to “stay the fight"….we kept paying as he led us to believe we were close to an end. And right to the end there was talk of a class action…we paid for research into it and were led to believe that would be the course of action…but it never materialized. When MG withdrew as our lawyer, I started reading transcripts and court decisions - multiple judges slapped him (and us) with abuse of process, vexatious and res judicata. He prolonged and delayed matters in the court with no valid legal grounds. Meanwhile, as we took his advice and initially stopped paying maintenance fees (placing us in breech of contract), the years accumulated with not only maintenance fees but interest as well. We originally retained MG to investigate if the RPF was something valid that Northmont could charge us with and then give us the option to stay or go.
KW….he is a business man who assumed a position in what was perhaps a failing resort with lots of challenges. Although we may not have initially liked his “plan” and perhaps deemed it to be unfair (the RPF), the courts did decide that he WAS able to charge the RPF and he was not doing anything wrong. KW WON every court case infront of him…..we/MG lost all. At no time has the court system deemed KW actions to be inappropriate, but yet he has been vilified. Who has vilified him? MG and many others…..just read previous posts here. Has this been justified? KW has faced many years of litigation AGAINST him, won all of them. He has been demonized and vilified. He has a resort to run, filled with people who did not cause all this grief and expensive litigation. KW has the ability to charge the RPF. We lost on several occasions.,,,many courts decided. We had our days in court……sadly our YEARS in court! It was our own representation that was labelled on many occasions as being vexatious, abuse of process and res judicata. Period. We lost. So what would you have KW to do??.......just let us walk away?
Many of us believed MG. It was presented as us vs KW. The big challenge now is to take a look at the FACTS. Remove emotions (I know it is hard). Remove “opinions” and personal bias, assumptions, what we were told and “believed” to be true. Logic and facts should take center stage.
Perhaps my frustration now comes taking a look objectively at the path I went down with MG. I have read, done research, chatted with people, sought additional legal advice and tried to look objectively at the situation in hindsight. I wish I knew then what I know now. I believe I was lied to on several occasions, by my own legal counsel – someone I placed trust in, paid and looked to guidance for.
For those who say MG didn't lie? What about the last whopper promise "Should the settlement discussions develop into an agreement that we believe can be recommended to you, we will provide a copy to the group for final input prior to finalizing those terms"? Did anyone actually receive a copy for final input? Or just some formula for the financial part, plus, plus but no terms? Minutes of the meeting? I know that I specifically asked MG for the minutes on multiple occasions and to this date, have not received them. For me, this was one of the biggest lies in the process.
I can say that KW never lied to me. He is a business man hired to run a resort and take care of the owners. He has been litigated against over several years and won and has not been proven guilty in a court of law of doing anything wrong. He has been demonized and faced many unproven accusations. There have been “theories” of fraud, collusion and “corruptness”. None of these theories have been proven with hard facts. I have read much name calling, assumptions, opinions, personal biases….but come on, we need FACTS and rationale. As the old saying goes, anything short of facts can be assumptions….and that makes one look like an ass___
Do I feel financially abused? Most definitely!! I am financially devastated over this. Ironically, the FACTS do not primarily point to the hands of KW/Northmont.
If you feel the need to respond or comment, please keep it FACTUAL and real. I think it is fair to say that we have all been touched through this situation by inaccurate information, assumptions, perception……just read many posts here and emails received. Keep it FACTS based and in reality.
Not knowing much about the law I trusted Geldert's website that he was what he professed to be "a leading global law firm" and furthermore how could the number of clients possibly be wrong about him. A lot of the clients are either professionals or retired professionals.
As time went by we discovered that Geldert is a "one man show" with little to no litigation experience let alone business/contract and negotiation expertise. By then we were already part of the "Geldert group" with no way out but to give in to Northmont's demands - demands that Geldert assured us he would untangle us from, we just had to be patient as his plan came to fruition. A plan that none of us was privy to, a plan that obviously had no legal basis. He kept feeding us what we wanted to hear so we would keep the "group" together to fight Northmont - strength in numbers and all that bs. MG kept requesting more retainer money from us and encouraged us to “stay the fight"….we kept paying as he led us to believe we were close to an end. And right to the end there was talk of a class action…we paid for research into it and were led to believe that would be the course of action…but it never materialized. When MG withdrew as our lawyer, I started reading transcripts and court decisions - multiple judges slapped him (and us) with abuse of process, vexatious and res judicata. He prolonged and delayed matters in the court with no valid legal grounds. Meanwhile, as we took his advice and initially stopped paying maintenance fees (placing us in breech of contract), the years accumulated with not only maintenance fees but interest as well. We originally retained MG to investigate if the RPF was something valid that Northmont could charge us with and then give us the option to stay or go.
KW….he is a business man who assumed a position in what was perhaps a failing resort with lots of challenges. Although we may not have initially liked his “plan” and perhaps deemed it to be unfair (the RPF), the courts did decide that he WAS able to charge the RPF and he was not doing anything wrong. KW WON every court case infront of him…..we/MG lost all. At no time has the court system deemed KW actions to be inappropriate, but yet he has been vilified. Who has vilified him? MG and many others…..just read previous posts here. Has this been justified? KW has faced many years of litigation AGAINST him, won all of them. He has been demonized and vilified. He has a resort to run, filled with people who did not cause all this grief and expensive litigation. KW has the ability to charge the RPF. We lost on several occasions.,,,many courts decided. We had our days in court……sadly our YEARS in court! It was our own representation that was labelled on many occasions as being vexatious, abuse of process and res judicata. Period. We lost. So what would you have KW to do??.......just let us walk away?
Many of us believed MG. It was presented as us vs KW. The big challenge now is to take a look at the FACTS. Remove emotions (I know it is hard). Remove “opinions” and personal bias, assumptions, what we were told and “believed” to be true. Logic and facts should take center stage.
Perhaps my frustration now comes taking a look objectively at the path I went down with MG. I have read, done research, chatted with people, sought additional legal advice and tried to look objectively at the situation in hindsight. I wish I knew then what I know now. I believe I was lied to on several occasions, by my own legal counsel – someone I placed trust in, paid and looked to guidance for.
For those who say MG didn't lie? What about the last whopper promise "Should the settlement discussions develop into an agreement that we believe can be recommended to you, we will provide a copy to the group for final input prior to finalizing those terms"? Did anyone actually receive a copy for final input? Or just some formula for the financial part, plus, plus but no terms? Minutes of the meeting? I know that I specifically asked MG for the minutes on multiple occasions and to this date, have not received them. For me, this was one of the biggest lies in the process.
I can say that KW never lied to me. He is a business man hired to run a resort and take care of the owners. He has been litigated against over several years and won and has not been proven guilty in a court of law of doing anything wrong. He has been demonized and faced many unproven accusations. There have been “theories” of fraud, collusion and “corruptness”. None of these theories have been proven with hard facts. I have read much name calling, assumptions, opinions, personal biases….but come on, we need FACTS and rationale. As the old saying goes, anything short of facts can be assumptions….and that makes one look like an ass___
Do I feel financially abused? Most definitely!! I am financially devastated over this. Ironically, the FACTS do not primarily point to the hands of KW/Northmont.
If you feel the need to respond or comment, please keep it FACTUAL and real. I think it is fair to say that we have all been touched through this situation by inaccurate information, assumptions, perception……just read many posts here and emails received. Keep it FACTS based and in reality.
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The 16 months is gone. The same story every one had to pay the 26.8% interest not true JUSTICE YOUNG ruled No more than 5% in a year. Justice Gill will not change because Northmont wants him too. Our member of Parliament RICHARD GOTFRIED says we own nothing. The reason a lot of this happened the way it did is the Service Alberta Minister should of acted using the FAIR TRADING ACT. This is WHY Bill 31 was passed Dec.13, 2017 Prohibiting businesses from making unilateral amendments to contracts, unless the Consumer is provided advance notice and given the right to cancel the contract. This is covered under my contact under items 37 and 38.