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[2009] Marriott vs. Hyatt and others

Trading can improve your options at lockoff resorts

I agree with all of the above. For the newbies, one additional advantage to trading is that it's possible to improve your reservation at your home resort by making a few moves and being flexible. It works at lockoff resorts.

Some Marriott resorts have a lot of availability. If you are an owner at one of those resorts it's often possible to trade back into your home resort for a larger unit through II. It is especially true during flextime.

You have to deposit first with II. It will cost more because of the II deposit fees but the additional cost might be worth it. Very often you can trade a lockoff studio for a one or two bedroom at your home resort if your vacation time if flexible. That will leave you with a one bedroom to trade for an additional week somewhere else or to extend your vacation another week at your home resort.
 
Troopers, would you mind expanding on this? It seems like a lot of people are constantly trading their TS to go somewhere else.
I used to own at Marriott but currently own at HGVC and Hyatt- intra-trading with both HGVC and Hyatt is a breeze and a pleasure because of their flexibility. for example:
I own Hyatt in the Florida Keys, I only travel to florida once in 3 or 4 years- HGVC 1 week, Hyatt the next. Now, since I live in california- I take two 4 day trips to Tahoe and Carmel every year -I can also do 2,3 or 7 days. No hassle always available. Now, In the past Marriott used to be a little less flexible, this may have changed, With Marriott, it important to buy where you vac-
So my take on it is this: owning and trading sure beats renting........if you own Hyatt and/or HGVC.
probably not with Marriott.
 
About a year ago, my wife and I were wrestling with the same questions. By way of background, I will say that--prior to our first timeshare purchase--I was (and remain) a Marriott Gold Card member and have nearly 800,000 points in my account, thanks to many years of business travel with Marriott.

Here are the considerations we had on this topic, and our conclusion:

* Of the major hotel chains which also operate timeshares (Marriott, Starwood, Hyatt, and Hilton), Marriott has by far the largest network of TS properties. The properties are well-managed, clean, and offer plenty of luxury for a quality family vacation. Resale value is among the best in the industry, though I will also say that--if this is a primary consideration for you in choosing the right timeshare purchase, then consider not purchasing timeshares, as this is NOT an investment for which you can expect to achieve a positive return. Maintenance fees are, for the most part, pretty reasonable--and are lower than those for Hyatt and Starwood. Marriott trades internally on a weeks basis, so that you must trade your week for a week at another Marriott property if you want to trade internally. Overall, Marriott is a solid choice.

* Hilton is the second-largest hotel-based TS system. It operates on a points basis only. In fact, when you buy into the Hilton Grand Vacations Club, you're buying points--not a particular location. These points are fully transferable within the HGVC system for any of their locations. Hilton's quality is also very good. While this is strictly my own opinion, I would rank the quality of the properties among the four hotel-based chains as follows: 1) Starwood; 2) Hyatt; 3) Marriott; 4) Hilton. That said, the fall-off from 1-4 is not significant. I would be quite happy with any of these four chains. Hilton's MF's are comparable to Marriott. Hilton also has good comparative resale value.

* Starwood has the third-largest number of properties within their timeshare portfolio. Of all the hotel-based timeshare networks, Starwood's properties offer the most consistently high level of luxury and appointments IMHO. This is not to demean the other chains at all. Almost by definition, when you purchase in any of these networks you are buying a vacation experience which is among the finest available anywhere. But for overall luxury, I put Starwood at the top of the heap. One other advantage that Starwood has its uniquely flexible points or weeks program. In the Starwood system, you purchase a home resort week which equates to a certain number of StarOptions. These StarOptions are available for internal exchange--either on a week or daily basis. This means you aren't restricted to exchange for one full week at one resort. For example, you could conceivably trade your week at Westin Kierland Villas for three days at Westin Kaanapali and four days at Westin Princeville, for example. One big negative of Starwood is that the MF's tend to be among the highest in the industry. While that is true, I can also say that the high MF's do buy you a truly high-end location that is exceptionally well-maintained with highly-trained personnel and luxury service.

*Hyatt is the smallest of the four major chains. That said, the properties are of exceptional quality in very desirable locations. One interesting thing about Hyatt is that they have properties with little direct competition, including Carmel, CA; Lake Tahoe, CA; Sedona, AZ; and Key West, FL. Hyatt's structure is similar to Starwood in that you purchase a home resort, but your week carries with a prescribed number of points which are tradeable within the Hyatt system. It is very flexible. Hyatt's MF's are higher than Marriott or Hilton, and roughly equivalent to Starwood.

So, with all of this information, where did we choose to purchase? We went with Starwood. While we recognized that the MF's were high, we also decided to purchase at a place we love and visit often--Kauai. The only other major chain with properties on Kauai is Marriott, but we particularly love Princeville and the North Shore. So location was a key consideration. A second consideration was that we wanted to pamper ourselves when we go on vacation, and Starwood--to us at least--offers the ultimate pampering experience. Finally, we really liked the flexibility. The other properties within the Starwood network are in desirable locations for us, including properties in California where we live so that we can take some vacations at Starwood resorts within driving distance of our home.

I hope this helps. Please recognize that much of what I've offered here is strictly my own opinion and I am sure many other TUGgers would disagree with some of what I've said. I wish you the best in making the right choice for you and your family.
Hello. I am currently in the situation of the original post - reading that this was 2009.…. Do you have any mods / updates to your post now in 2024? Note - I am in Northern CA and leaning towards Hyatt.
 
Hello. I am currently in the situation of the original post - reading that this was 2009.…. Do you have any mods / updates to your post now in 2024? Note - I am in Northern CA and leaning towards Hyatt.
MVC now has a points system too, that you can purchase resales and pay $3/point (min $3k) to enroll in their system, so they become just the same as the ones purchased direct.
II/Hyatt recently adjusted the number of points needed to book in II, moving the Hyatt legacy system from exceptional to good use in II. Same happened to Welk, Diamond and possibly others this year.
Some Sheraton traders also seem to have had a downward adjustment in II, since March time, so too early to tell if this is systemic or not.
Other than that the advice seems sound in general.
Lots of advice in the Hyatt forums about buying Hyatt resale, watch out for the terminology as the former Welk resorts have been rebranded using the Hyatt name, so make sure that you know the difference as it can matter a lot.
 
Hello. I am currently in the situation of the original post - reading that this was 2009.…. Do you have any mods / updates to your post now in 2024? Note - I am in Northern CA and leaning towards Hyatt.
Ha! I am impressed that you dug out a post from 15 years ago! We now own two Hyatt weeks--one in Sedona and one in Carmel. We love the Hyatt system for its quality and--because we live on the West Coast--the locations of Hyatt properties in California, Nevada, Arizona, Hawaii, and Colorado are easy to get to without a lot of additional cost. I agree with @Hindsite regarding the changes made by Marriott since it acquired the Hyatt system and merged it with what was once Welk and which is now known as the "Platinum Collection". Welk properties are nice, but not up to the outstanding quality levels of the legacy Hyatt resorts, now called the "Heritage Collection". I think it would be a generally poor use of Hyatt points to do an internal exchange into a Platinum property--unless you really have a desire to visit San Diego or Palm Springs, for example (neither of which has a legacy property).

It is also true that because Marriott owns Interval International, they have recently diluted the trading power of Hyatt legacy resorts. It's not egregious, but unfortunate--as we Hyatt owners once commanded tremendous trading power into other high-quality resorts like Marriott or Vistana (formerly Starwood). The trading power is still quite respectable, but not the screaming good deal it once was.

A great way to dip your toe into the Hyatt system, in my opinion, would be to buy a Platinum week at Pinon Pointe in Sedona. Why? The maintenance fees are among the lowest in the system and price increases have been historically modest. You'll be able to use your property to confirm your week at a spectacular area for sightseeing with easy access to the Grand Canyon and other sites, or you can use your 2200 points to trade into other legacy properties. I have even been successful in making two different internal trades into the spectacular resort at Ka'anapali, Maui--including one this past January.

All that said, I'm a former owner in the Hilton system and Vistana--and I have stayed in several Marriott properties we traded into using the II exchange. All of them, in my opinion, rate as very good to excellent in terms of quality and upkeep. One last piece of advice: if you choose to buy Hyatt, do NOT purchase Hyatt points as the resale value is essentially worthless. Why? Because you will always be second in line in terms of property selection compared to the weeks owners in the Hyatt system. In addition, when you own a week at a given property, you own a tangible asset that can be re-sold.

I hope this helps. Good luck in your shopping.
 
Ha! I am impressed that you dug out a post from 15 years ago! We now own two Hyatt weeks--one in Sedona and one in Carmel. We love the Hyatt system for its quality and--because we live on the West Coast--the locations of Hyatt properties in California, Nevada, Arizona, Hawaii, and Colorado are easy to get to without a lot of additional cost. I agree with @Hindsite regarding the changes made by Marriott since it acquired the Hyatt system and merged it with what was once Welk and which is now known as the "Platinum Collection". Welk properties are nice, but not up to the outstanding quality levels of the legacy Hyatt resorts, now called the "Heritage Collection". I think it would be a generally poor use of Hyatt points to do an internal exchange into a Platinum property--unless you really have a desire to visit San Diego or Palm Springs, for example (neither of which has a legacy property).

It is also true that because Marriott owns Interval International, they have recently diluted the trading power of Hyatt legacy resorts. It's not egregious, but unfortunate--as we Hyatt owners once commanded tremendous trading power into other high-quality resorts like Marriott or Vistana (formerly Starwood). The trading power is still quite respectable, but not the screaming good deal it once was.

A great way to dip your toe into the Hyatt system, in my opinion, would be to buy a Platinum week at Pinon Pointe in Sedona. Why? The maintenance fees are among the lowest in the system and price increases have been historically modest. You'll be able to use your property to confirm your week at a spectacular area for sightseeing with easy access to the Grand Canyon and other sites, or you can use your 2200 points to trade into other legacy properties. I have even been successful in making two different internal trades into the spectacular resort at Ka'anapali, Maui--including one this past January.

All that said, I'm a former owner in the Hilton system and Vistana--and I have stayed in several Marriott properties we traded into using the II exchange. All of them, in my opinion, rate as very good to excellent in terms of quality and upkeep. One last piece of advice: if you choose to buy Hyatt, do NOT purchase Hyatt points as the resale value is essentially worthless. Why? Because you will always be second in line in terms of property selection compared to the weeks owners in the Hyatt system. In addition, when you own a week at a given property, you own a tangible asset that can be re-sold.

I hope this helps. Good luck in your shopping.
Thanks for replying and great insight. We are also on West Coast - Northern CA... I worked hard to find that post!! LOL!
I'm leaning towards Hyatt - Pinon Pointe...still have some research but really appreciate all the great folks on here!
 
Thanks for replying and great insight. We are also on West Coast - Northern CA... I worked hard to find that post!! LOL!
I'm leaning towards Hyatt - Pinon Pointe...still have some research but really appreciate all the great folks on here!
Just curious...have you made a decision on something yet? If so, have you made a purchase?
 
Hello. I am currently in the situation of the original post - reading that this was 2009.…. Do you have any mods / updates to your post now in 2024? Note - I am in Northern CA and leaning towards Hyatt.

I spent a looooong time trying to figure out which system to buy, but eventually settled on Hyatt. We now own 2 diamond weeks at Pinon Pointe, strictly for trading in the Hyatt system. We are in SoCal, and we use our 4400 points for a week at the Hyatt resorts in Maui and Tahoe, and 4 nights in Carmel. We do this exact same usage every year (it's only been a couple of years lol), because we love these particular resorts in these particularly beautiful spots. The Maui/Kaanapali resort is widely considered the nicest timeshare resort in Maui, and I believe it lives up to that. The Tahoe resort in Incline Village is reasonably nice but is in one of the most heavenly places on earth, with great private beach access. Carmel is drivable for us, the views and the area are so breathtaking, and we love that we can keep the wood-burning fire going virtually 24-hours a day for all 4 days (I'll admit it goes out when I fall asleep). To be honest, I usually buy additional 4-night stays in Carmel so we can go there multiple times each year.

These 3 Hyatt resorts we visit are perfect for us because we LOVE those 3 spots in the world, and our 2 diamond weeks at PP allow us to access them annually for extremely reasonable MFs.

I also have some of my Hyatt points converted to EEE points for use in Interval, but have not yet made a single trade in the Interval system. This is for reasons that are peculiar to my travel preferences. However, I regularly search Interval and have found that my Hyatt points turn up a lot of great availability and resorts all over the US, and even overseas in Europe and Asia.

My takeaway of owning Hyatt is you really don't need to buy it to visit your home resort. Trading within the Hyatt system is easy as long as you are flexible in travel dates. For example, I always stand a good chance of getting a week in Maui (well in advance) as long as my availability is, for example, "anytime from October to January." If I HAD to travel to Maui only in the 3rd week of January each year, I wouldn't feel so secure in my chances of always getting that week. For Tahoe and Carmel, I feel much more secure that I can get the exact week I want as long as I make my request well in advance (7-12 months out).

My other takeaway from owning Hyatt is that it is great to own if you especially want to visit the Hyatt resorts. Because that fits what we want, it works great for us. But if you think you will tire of visiting the same resorts over and over, then Hyatt may not bring you the same pleasure that it brings us. Although, there are some users who use their Hyatt weeks almost exclusively to trade in Interval, and by report, they get pretty good value back in their Interval trades (2-3 weeks of time or even more for the points associated with their Hyatt week).

Bear in mind I am only talking about the Hyatt legacy weeks program, fka Hyatt Residence Club deeded weeks. I am not referring to the Welk properties that were recently merged into the Hyatt system, and I am not talking about the Hyatt Portfolio Points program.
 
I spent a looooong time trying to figure out which system to buy, but eventually settled on Hyatt. We now own 2 diamond weeks at Pinon Pointe, strictly for trading in the Hyatt system. We are in SoCal, and we use our 4400 points for a week at the Hyatt resorts in Maui and Tahoe, and 4 nights in Carmel. We do this exact same usage every year (it's only been a couple of years lol), because we love these particular resorts in these particularly beautiful spots. The Maui/Kaanapali resort is widely considered the nicest timeshare resort in Maui, and I believe it lives up to that. The Tahoe resort in Incline Village is reasonably nice but is in one of the most heavenly places on earth, with great private beach access. Carmel is drivable for us, the views and the area are so breathtaking, and we love that we can keep the wood-burning fire going virtually 24-hours a day for all 4 days (I'll admit it goes out when I fall asleep). To be honest, I usually buy additional 4-night stays in Carmel so we can go there multiple times each year.

These 3 Hyatt resorts we visit are perfect for us because we LOVE those 3 spots in the world, and our 2 diamond weeks at PP allow us to access them annually for extremely reasonable MFs.

I also have some of my Hyatt points converted to EEE points for use in Interval, but have not yet made a single trade in the Interval system. This is for reasons that are peculiar to my travel preferences. However, I regularly search Interval and have found that my Hyatt points turn up a lot of great availability and resorts all over the US, and even overseas in Europe and Asia.

My takeaway of owning Hyatt is you really don't need to buy it to visit your home resort. Trading within the Hyatt system is easy as long as you are flexible in travel dates. For example, I always stand a good chance of getting a week in Maui (well in advance) as long as my availability is, for example, "anytime from October to January." If I HAD to travel to Maui only in the 3rd week of January each year, I wouldn't feel so secure in my chances of always getting that week. For Tahoe and Carmel, I feel much more secure that I can get the exact week I want as long as I make my request well in advance (7-12 months out).

My other takeaway from owning Hyatt is that it is great to own if you especially want to visit the Hyatt resorts. Because that fits what we want, it works great for us. But if you think you will tire of visiting the same resorts over and over, then Hyatt may not bring you the same pleasure that it brings us. Although, there are some users who use their Hyatt weeks almost exclusively to trade in Interval, and by report, they get pretty good value back in their Interval trades (2-3 weeks of time or even more for the points associated with their Hyatt week).

Bear in mind I am only talking about the Hyatt legacy weeks program, fka Hyatt Residence Club deeded weeks. I am not referring to the Welk properties that were recently merged into the Hyatt system, and I am not talking about the Hyatt Portfolio Points program.
Thanks for insight - Maui, Tahoe and Carmel could be 3 places I could see us visiting as well…. I’m at the crossroad between Hyatt and HGVC … good to hear how someone put points to practical use. I was looking at 1 week at Pinon Pointe - or a HGVC in Vegas
 
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