2009 Maintenance Fees Thread - Some available at MSC.com now

[fasha39]

Westin Kierland 2 bd LO annual (Platinum)

2009 Operating Assessment = $895.62
2009 Replacement Reserve = $190.75
2009 Estimated Real Estate Tax = $ 57.39
2009 SVN Membership Fee = $109.00
2009 ARDA ROC PAC Contribution = $ 5.00

2009 GRAND TOTAL Fees = $1257.76

Last year's total was $1212.18, including SVN & ARDA. Leaving out those two fees, the mf increased approx. 4.2%.

Glorian

WKV 2 bd LO annual Platinum

Maintenance Fee(s) $ 1,086.37

Tax - If Applicable $ 57.39

Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 109.00

Other* $ 0.00

Interest $ 0.00

Late Fees $ 0.00

ARDA ROC PAC Contrib.** $ 5.00

Sub-Total
Current Year Charges $ 1,257.76
Less Payments*** $ 0.00

Total Due $ 1,257.76

Projected Fees for Next Year $ 1,252.76

Wonder why ours does not have the Replacement Reserve line item?

 

[tlpnet]

Wonder why ours does not have the Replacement Reserve line item?

Glorian was posting the fee breakdown from the physical invoice which breaks down the fees. You were posting the breakdowns from MSC where they are lumped together.

-tim

 

[Loriannf]

Maybe WSJ could be cheaper

if they weren't sending out our annual reports on color, glossy paper. I like the old ones which were photocopies and didn't include pictures. As is it, the pretty pictures did not in any way diminish the OUCH of the assessment and maintainance fees; as already posted $3,068.02 for our 3 bed room week with the SVN fee included; $2,959 without.

Lori

 

[DavidnRobin]

WSJ Virgin Grand (Hillside) - 2Bd/3Ba Townhouse

if they weren't sending out our annual reports on color, glossy paper. I like the old ones which were photocopies and didn't include pictures. As is it, the pretty pictures did not in any way diminish the OUCH of the assessment and maintainance fees; as already posted $3,068.02 for our 3 bed room week with the SVN fee included; $2,959 without.

Lori

Ouch!

2009 Operating Assessment - $1600.65 {a 5.2% increase}
2009 Replacement Reserve - $865.17
Total = $2465.82 {a 62.1% increase!!!}

YIKES!

From my understanding - the high Replacment Reserve is a 3-year assessment (this amount per year for 3 years) to refurbish the villas and the roofs. There was a mailing about this but not explained in the MF billing or glossy annual report.

The issue with this Replacement Reserve is that it much higher (~3x if I recall correctly and not voted upon) than the previous refurbish that was voted upon but didn't pass due to lack of total votes.

 

[DavidnRobin]

2009 MFs for WSJ (VG-Hillside) - Overall

Studio:
$1479.41 {incl $519.07 RR}

1 Bd Townhouse Suite:
$1972.61 {incl $692.12 RR}

2Bd Townhouse:
$2465,82 {incl $865.17 RR}

2Bd Townhouse Premium:
$2958.82 {incl $1038.15 RR}

3Bd Premium Pool Villa:
$2959.02 {incl $1038.22 RR}

It looks as if all villas get the RR whether they have been previously refurbished or not.

 

[tlpnet]

Ouch!

2009 Operating Assessment - $1600.65 {a 5.2% increase}
2009 Replacement Reserve - $865.17
Total = $2465.82 {a 62.1% increase!!!}

YIKES!

From my understanding - the high Replacment Reserve is a 3-year assessment (this amount per year for 3 years) to refurbish the villas and the roofs. There was a mailing about this but not explained in the MF billing or glossy annual report.

The issue with this Replacement Reserve is that it much higher (~3x if I recall correctly and not voted upon) than the previous refurbish that was voted upon but didn't pass due to lack of total votes.

The glossy annual report made a brief reference to it: "Reserves Funding: [Sentence Deleted] The impact will be an increase of $625.00 per average ownership week due to the refurbishment project and roof replacement that will occur over the next three years."

-tim

 

[DavidnRobin]

Thanks - I just read it - the glossy surface was glaring...

I still do not understand how this averages to $625 per average ownership week - as I mentioned in the WSJ thread. Also - we already paid a increased in replacement reserves last year...
I just want accountability and representation - yes, I am dreaming.

 

[Pit]

I think this must be Palmetto phase since it's higher than what I got.

I don't see any difference. I think you both cited $908.17 for a 2 bdrm L/O, except you included the $5 ARDA contribution.

 

[DavidnRobin]

Maintenance Fee Details (WKORV 2008)

Current Year Charges
Maintenance Fee(s) - $ 1,599.29
Tax - If Applicable - $ 0.00
Membership Fee - If Applicable - $ 113.53
Other* - $ 0.00
Interest - $ 0.00
Late Fees - $ 0.00
ARDA ROC PAC Contrib.** - $ 0.00
Sub-Total
Current Year Charges - $ 1,717.82

DeniseM - maybe next year we should ask not to include ARDA or SVN fees - and just MFs, additional Replacement Reserves, and Tax (if not in MF).

 

[DeniseM]

DeniseM - maybe next year we should ask not to include ARDA or SVN fees - and just MFs, additional Replacement Reserves, and Tax (if not in MF).

I think the real confusions comes when people just post a total and not the breakdown. If people post an accurate breakdown (like my example) it's pretty clear.

 

[RLG]

Sheraton Mountain Vista costs (excluding SVN or ARDA)

large 1br 770.94
small 1br 618.87

2br lockout 1108.81

 

[Catazog]

Sheraton Mountain Vista costs (excluding SVN or ARDA)

large 1br 770.94
small 1br 618.87

2br lockout 1108.81

We just paid our EOY SMV fees and this is correct. However, we tried to pay online but it first said our Starwood AmEx was not authorized, and when we tried again it said we could do multiple attempts. Same thing when we tried to pay WKORV fees. Good old Starwood technology! We finally called and paid via AmEx.

Here are WKORV fees. Of course, they've gone up (last year was $1717.82):

Current Year Charges

Maintenance Fee(s) $ 1,785.07

Tax - If Applicable $ 0.00

Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 113.53

Other* $ 0.00

Interest $ 0.00

Late Fees $ 0.00

ARDA ROC PAC Contrib.** $ 5.00

Sub-Total
Current Year Charges $ 1,903.60
Less Payments*** $ 0.00

Total Due $ 1,903.60

 

[lars158]

Harborside and Lagunamar?

Anyone knows when the MF are due for Lagunamar and Harborside? In MSC there is nothing due yet for this year (balance due $0)...
Thanks,/Lars

 

[labonnevie]

WKORV MF Increases

I have 2 1BR EOY units.
The % increases in MFs have been:
Unit 1
2007/2006 6.4%
2008/2007 12.0%
2009/2008 9.7% 2009 bill is $886.58 w/o PAC $5

Unit 2
2007/2006 13.0%
2008/2007 13.0%
2009/2008 10.0% 2009 bill is $807.43 w/o PAC $5

Includes mandatory SVN.
In my mind this is clearly excessive, and far higher than I was led to believe at sales presentation (I know the sales game pretty well, so no surprise there). Even college tuitions aren't going up this fast and that is saying alot!
Sorry, I digress, the MFs are excessive, IMHO.

P.S. So far I have stayed at KORV 14 nights and used *wood points (received from purchase of TS) to stay in hotels 10 nights (albeit in some pretty nice places - Stockholm, London, Tahiti, Moorea). After our 7 KORV nights in May, our average cost/night will be just under $1300. I guess over time that will come down more. The key will be to use more hotel nights.

 

[ValleyGirl]

This looks like the 2008 bill. I haven't seen my '09 bill (paper or mystarcentral) yet.

Here is 2009 WPORV
Maintenance Fee(s) $ 2,250.99
Tax - If Applicable $ 0.00
Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 113.53
Other* $ 100.00
Interest $ 0.00
Late Fees $ 0.00
ARDA ROC PAC Contrib.** $ 0.00
Sub-Total
Current Year Charges $ 2,469.52

 

[DavidnRobin]

MFs for WKORV Deluxe (large)

The MFs for WKORV Deluxe (large) w/o SVN fee is as follows (Year, MF, % increase from previous year):

2005 $1,623.77
2006 $1,813.16 (11.7%)
2007 $1,954.27 (7.8%)
2008 $2,203.79 (12.8%)
2009 $2,459.73 (11.6%)

an average increase of 11.0% per year since 2006

 

[DavidnRobin]

MFs for 2Bd TH WSJ-VG (Hillside)

The MFs for a 2Bd Townhouse WSJ - Virgin Grand (Hillside) w/o SVN fee are as follows (Year, MF, % increase from previous year):

2005 $1,052.87
2006 $1,204.13 (14.4%)
2007 $1,322.98 (9.9%)
2008 $1,521.17 (15.0%)
2009 $2,465.82 (54.1%) - includes $865.17 special assessment (otherwise it would have been 5.2%)

an average increase of 23.3% per year since 2005 (11.1% if special assessment is not included)

 

[DavidnRobin]

MFs for 1Bd Prem WKV (Large)

MFs for a 1Bd Premium (Large) WKV w/o SVN fee are as follows (Year, MF w/tax, % increase from previous year):

2006 $577.53
2007 $629.35 (9.0%)
2008 $674.41 (7.2%)
2009 $698.47 (3.6%)

an average increase of 6.6% per year since 2007

 

[hacker0124]

MF

The following are our maintenance fees for the three resort ownerships we have. These fees are within my original projections. As I have posted in a previous thread, our MF's have increased about 5% from the 2007 MF's.

SVV 2 BDR
Maintenance Fee(s) $ 790.15
Tax - If Applicable $ 105.48
Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 109.00
Current Year Charges $ 1,009.63

WKV 1 BDR
Maintenance Fee(s) $ 666.88
Tax - If Applicable $ 31.59
Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 33.00
Current Year Charges $ 736.47

WLR 1 BDR
Maintenance Fee(s) $ 382.95
Tax - If Applicable $ 0.00
Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 0.00
Current Year Charges $ 382.95

 

[silkey21]

How come everyone else's assesment was much more

Westin Kierland 1 bd deluxe annual (Platinum)

2009 Operating Assessment = $345.83
2009 Replacement Reserve = $73.66
2009 Estimated Real Estate Tax = $25.80
2009 SVN Membership Fee = $109.00
2009 ARDA ROC PAC Contribution = $ 5.00

2009 GRAND TOTAL Fees = $559.29

Interesting that I got the notice by mail, but the fees are still not yet posted on mystarcentral.com.

 

[DavidnRobin]

How come everyone else's assesment was much more

This one is for the smaller unit. At WKV - Deluxe is the smaller side, and Premium is the larger side.

 

[LisaRex]

Here's a compendium of all the MFs reported in this thread, excluding SVN and ARDA fees. Generally you can add $109 to $115 for SVN fees if they are applicable and $5 if you want to support ARDA. Also note that where it is asterisked there was no data reported so I tried to compile it using other sources (e.g. Redweek). I got tired after HRA, though, so maybe some more ambitious people can help fill in the blanks.

Some posts were rather vague. For instance,they just gave a total or they didn't say what size unit/phase they were reporting, so some of it required guesswork on my part. Where there was a discrepancy (e.g two different people reported two different numbers), I used the larger figure.

There are quite a few blanks in the spreadsheet and it is my hope that we can fill in most of them. Also, feel free to correct errors as you see them, though I'd ask that you follow convention and not include SVN/ARDA fees so that we can compare apples to apples.


HRA 3 bdrm l/o 2442
HRA 2 bdrm l/o
HRA 2 bdrm
HRA 1 bdrm prem 1287*
HRA 1 bdrm
Lakeside Terrace 2 bdrm 839
SBP 2 bdrm l/o 908
SBP 2 bdrm 726
SBP 1 bdrm prem 587
SBP 1 bdrm 412
SBP 1 bdrm dlx 322
SBP Palmetto 3 bdrm l/o
SBP Palmetto 2 bdrm l/o
SBP Palmetto 2 bdrm
SBP Palmetto 1 bdrm prem
SBP Palmetto 1 bdrm
Sheraton Desert Oasis 2 bdrm l/o 828
Sheraton Desert Oasis 1 bdrm prem 574
Sheraton Desert Oasis 1 bdrm 488
Sheraton Mountain Vista 2 bdrm l/o 1,109
Sheraton Mountain Vista 1 bdrm prem 771
Sheraton Mountain Vista 1 bdrm 619
Sheraton PGA 2 bdrm l/o
Sheraton PGA 2 bdrm
Sheraton PGA 1 bdrm prem
Sheraton PGA 1 bdrm
Sheraton Steamboat 3 bdrm
Sheraton Steamboat 2 bdrm
SVR Cascades 2 bdrm l/o
SVR Cascades*** 2 bdrm 1,292
SVR Cascades 1 bdrm prem
SVR Cascades 1 bdrm
SVR Falls 2 bdrm l/o 1,337
SVR Falls 2 bdrm 696
SVR Falls 1 bdrm prem
SVR Falls 1 bdrm
SVR Fountains I 2 bdrm 726
SVR Fountains I 1 bdrm prem
SVR Fountains I 1 bdrm 835
SVR Fountains II 2 bdrm l/o
SVR Fountains II 2 bdrm 842
SVR Fountains II 1 bdrm prem
SVR Fountains II 1 bdrm
SVR Lakes 2 bdrm l/o
SVR Lakes 2 bdrm
SVR Lakes 1 bdrm prem
SVR Lakes 1 bdrm
SVR Springs 2 bdrm l/o
SVR Springs 2 bdrm
SVR Springs 1 bdrm prem
SVR Springs 1 bdrm
SVV Amelia 3 bdrm l/o
SVV Amelia 3 bdrm l/o #2
SVV Amelia 2 bdrm l/o
SVV Amelia 2 bdrm
SVV Amelia 1 bdrm prem
SVV Amelia 1 bdrm
SVV Bella 3 bdrm l/o
SVV Bella 3 bdrm l/o #2
SVV Bella 2 bdrm l/o 1,197
SVV Bella 2 bdrm 901
SVV Bella 1 bdrm prem
SVV Bella 1 bdrm
SVV Key West 3 bdrm l/o
SVV Key West 3 bdrm l/o #2
SVV Key West 2 bdrm l/o 1,223
SVV Key West 2 bdrm 936
SVV Key West 1 bdrm prem
SVV Key West 1 bdrm
SVV St. Augustine 3 bdrm l/o
SVV St. Augustine 3 bdrm l/o #2
SVV St. Augustine 2 bdrm l/o
SVV St. Augustine 2 bdrm
SVV St. Augustine 1 bdrm prem
SVV St. Augustine 1 bdrm
Villas of Cave Creek 2 bdrm 852
Vistana's Beach club 2 bdrm
WDW 2 bdrm l/o
WDW 1 bdrm prem
WDW studio
WKORV 2 bdrm l/o 1,785
WKORV 2 bdrm dlx 2,460
WKORV 1 bdrm prem
WKORV studio
WKORVN 2 bdrm l/o 1,862
WKORVN 1 bdrm prem
WKORVN studio
WKV 2 bdrm l/o 1,144
WKV 1 bdrm prem 698
WKV 1 bdrm 445
WLR 2 bdrm l/o
WLR 1 bdrm prem 383
WLR studio
WMH** 2 bdrm l/o 1,339
WMH** 1 bdrm prem
WMH** 1 bdrm
WPORV 2 bdrm l/o 2,351
WPORV 1 bdrm prem
WPORV studio
Westin Riverfront 2 bdrm l/o
Westin Riverfront 1 bdrm prem
Westin Riverfront studio prem
WSJ Hillside (Virgin Grand)*** 3 bdrm 2,959
WSJ Hillside (Virgin Grand)*** 2 bdrm townhouse 2,959
WSJ Hillside (Virgin Grand)*** 2 bdrm prem 2,466
WSJ Hillside (Virgin Grand)*** 1 bdrm prem 1,973
WSJ Hillside (Virgin Grand)*** studio 1,479
WSJ Bay Vista 3 bdrm
WSJ Bay Vista 2 bdrm


**WMH - Note that property taxes are billed separately by the county
***Includes a temporary special assessment

 

[jw0]

Harborside MFs

1BR - 961.48
1BR prem - 1048.89
2BR - 1136.28
2BR LO - 2010.37
3BR LO - 2097.76

In addition, there is an "Atlantis Facilities Fee". For a 2BR EOY (what I own) I pay 132.68. I can't say what others pay.

Finally, there is a SVN membership fee of 109 (but you probably already knew that).

So my total (2BR EOY) is 568.14+132.68+109 = 809.82.

Hope this helps.
-John.

 

[thinze3]

WKORV 2 bdrm l/o 1,785
WKORV 2 bdrm dlx 2,460

What is the difference between these two units? I have noticed varying MF's and taxes on several WKORV ads and never knew why.

 

[vacationtime1]

What is the difference between these two units? I have noticed varying MF's and taxes on several WKORV ads and never knew why.

The MF's are proportionate to the size of the unit; the deluxe units are substantially larger. They are in the corners of the various buildings and have more windows and better light. The functionality, however, is not too different (same number of rooms, kitchens, baths, beds, etc.). I believe that the deluxe studio units have lanais as well.