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[2006] Barry Skolky? Buyer beware!

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Is anyone familar with a tugger named Barry Skolky who advertises rentals in the Tug classified.
He says "rent anyweek for XXX amounts for one and two bedrooms."
I emailed him and he says he can get what I want but he wants 50% down PRIOR to confirmation, payable by Paypal and then the balance by check 3 months before check in.
He is a TUG member.
Has anyone dealt with him personally ?
 

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I few pointers

I have not rented from the person you mention so I can’t comment on him.

I can, however, offer some advice from someone who rents out quite a few timeshares:

1) Shop around. If you do pick a week, check to see if that week is for rent somewhere else and what price range. As a general rule a 50% price discount is standard from the “Rack rate”. Hard to get holiday weeks command 70% - 110% of rack rates.

2) Get a fax of the reservation and call in to verify that the reservation exists with the persons name on it

3) I normally ask for 100% paid in full and if you can get by with 50% down that’s great. However, there had better be a reservation you can check on – holiday weeks are long gone the first few minutes that they were available. Tell the landlord the week you want and when there is a reservation faxed to you then make payment. DO NOT pay without a reservation and a phone number to check on that reservation.

4) Insist in a written rental lease agreement where everything is spelled out in writing. Get a phone number for the landlord that you could call at 4 PM on the day of check-in - just in case something goes wrong.

5) Get Renters Insurance that will protect you from the landlord and the weather and acts of god. This normally costs $250 and covers all the folks on vacation, the rental unit, airline tickets, etc. This will protect you from an unscrupulous landlord (I am not hinting that the person mentioned is unethical)

6) DO NOT rent an exchange reservation!!!!!!! That’s normally from II or RCI or any exchange company.

7) Double check reservations 2 weeks before check-in, then 1 week and ask for special considerations – like views, floors, or even exact room numbers. Ask the person who assigns rooms for a unit that has no complaints. Finally, double check reservations 24 hours before check-in.

8) Have a backup plan. If there is a hotel nearby and you can make a backup reservation without costing you money – do it.

Do this and you can deal with any landlord.

Good luck,
 

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Re: I few pointers

My main concern is that you avoid renting an "exchange" Even if the "landlord" gets a gift certificate, your reservation would be subject to cancellation by RCI or II at any time.

I've never heard of the Renter's Insurance mentioned in Post # 2 but not sure that I would pay $250 for insurance on a rental that was less than $1000 unless it was during a known time & location for hurricanes or other extreme weather.
 

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Re: Should I rent ?

timbuktu said:
Is anyone familar with a tugger named Barry Skolky who advertises rentals in the Tug classified.
He says "rent anyweek for XXX amounts for one and two bedrooms."
I emailed him and he says he can get what I want but he wants 50% down PRIOR to confirmation, payable by Paypal and then the balance by check 3 months before check in.
He is a TUG member.
Has anyone dealt with him personally ?

This really sounds like someone who is renting exhanges. I would make sure that he OWNS where he is renting, not just exchanging.

If he is renting exchanges, the exchange company could figure it out and cut him off at any time.

That leaves you sitting out in the cold.
 

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Re: Should I rent ?

Should I rent ?

No, IMO. Rent from an owner. This gentleman does not sound like an owner. Ask him for a list of the resorts he owns at and verify it. My bet is he's either sub-leasing or is renting exchanges.

There are tons of owners out there who rent their intervals. You can tell them apart from the brokers/scammers because they only have one or a couple of intervals to rent at a time, and only in specific places and specific seasons.

If it sounds too good to be true, it likely is :)

Pat
 

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I did rent from Barry Skolky and everything was fine. The rental went just the way he outlined it and I was happy with the unit.


Thank you for your answer...its funny how so many are quick to accuse people of wrong doing.
 

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Originally Posted by timbuktu
I did rent from Barry Skolky and everything was fine. The rental went just the way he outlined it and I was happy with the unit.

Thank you for your answer...its funny how so many are quick to accuse people of wrong doing.

And yet, someone who offers to look for or find a week is likely subletting and not the true owner. The OP could prob'ly do as well to rent from Redweek or VRBO.
 

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I did rent from Barry Skolky and everything was fine. The rental went just the way he outlined it and I was happy with the unit.

Did he give you a guest certificate for the rental?
 

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Not really!

Originally Posted by timbuktu
I did rent from Barry Skolky and everything was fine. The rental went just the way he outlined it and I was happy with the unit.



And yet, someone who offers to look for or find a week is likely subletting and not the true owner. The OP could prob'ly do as well to rent from Redweek or VRBO.

What if someone owns 1.5 million Wyndham Points, 250K Raintree points, and 50K Bluegreen points and will make reservations as requested (size of the unit, location ,etc). There are many "Landlords" like this, especially with points based Wyndham program. I do agree that it is funny how many people jump to conclusions about "wrong doing."
 

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What if someone owns 1.5 million Wyndham Points, 250K Raintree points, and 50K Bluegreen points and will make reservations as requested (size of the unit, location ,etc). There are many "Landlords" like this, especially with points based Wyndham program. I do agree that it is funny how many people jump to conclusions about "wrong doing."

The OP had concerns and the posters answered the OP's question and told them what to look for in case this is an exchange being rented. Sharing info. is what TUG is about...
 

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Sharing is good, judging with incomplete info is not!

Well, I did not see in any posting so far an attempt to educate the renter about the possibility of "ownership flexibility" with point based programs. I did see a strong hint (such as from Cindi) that this "landlord" appears to be renting the exchanges! I think PerryM did an excellent job of responding/educating OP.

In situations like this, it is one thing to share information and educate. It is another thing to create doubts and spread hints while using incomplete information. The person looking for rental does not have complete information about ownership, the posters do not have complete information on the situation. So, either educate like PerryM or comment on personal experiences, like the original poster eventually did!
 

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Is anyone familar with a tugger named Barry Skolky who advertises rentals in the Tug classified.
He says "rent anyweek for XXX amounts for one and two bedrooms."
I emailed him and he says he can get what I want but he wants 50% down PRIOR to confirmation, payable by Paypal and then the balance by check 3 months before check in.
He is a TUG member.
Has anyone dealt with him personally ?

The OP still has not provided enough information for us to know if the renter is legit. He did not answer whether or not he was given a "guest certificate" from I.I. or RCI.

And It is not standard operating procedure to require a Paypal payment of 50% of the rental fee PRIOR to obtaining a confirmation, unless he at least provided proof that a reservation has been made in the potential renter's name. In most situations, the reservation can be cancelled with little or no fee if the renter does not follow through on paying the 50% deposit. So there is no down-side to the owner obtaining one to prove he has the right to rent the week in question before requiring a 50% deposit.

It is also fool-hardy for the renter to be renting a week without having the renter sign a comprehensive rental agreement. It protects both parties, but even more so the "landlord". (Anyone who is a paid TUG member has access to the search feature of prior BBS threads. Use it to see the many discussions there have been through the years on the topic of the need for a written rental agreement, including a few "horror stories" of what has happened when a formal rental agreement was not used).

In February, while vacationing in Florida, I met a couple who had "rented" two timeshare weeks from a "company." When they showed up to check-in, the Manager informed them that two other couples had already shown up to check-in to the same unit, and the police were on their way to sort it all out. Only one of the three had a written rental agreement. The person who actually owned the unit was senile and in a nursing home. Someone had obtained enough information to impersonate the owner and rent the unit to three different couples. The police and the resort decided to let the couple with the written agreement occupy the unit.

The police eventually figured out who the crook was but could not locate him, so a warrant was issued for his arrest. P.S. Apparently the crook did not know the owner personally. He was a timeshare saleperson who came by the info through other channels. (Hard to believe a ts salesperson would do anything unethical, right?).

Long story short, the people without written agreements (just phony reservation slips) were told that their insurance companies and credit card companies would not cover any part of the loss. And they had to pay a small fortune to rent replacement accommodations on the spot during this very busy and expensive time of the year.

Many of us who post answers on these TUG Forums have been TUG members for up to 14 years. We have seen a lot and try our best to warn people of possible pitfalls.
 

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Is anyone familar with a tugger named Barry Skolky who advertises rentals in the Tug classified. He says ......

He is a TUG member.
Has anyone dealt with him personally ?

I would like to think that we tug members would give another tug member the benefit of the doubt that they are legitably renting what they offer for rent here on tug.

Many tuggers have such a powerful portfolio of holdings that they can legitably obtain and rent an almost limitless list of timeshares.

My main concern is that you avoid renting an "exchange".

This really sounds like someone who is renting exhanges. I would make sure that he OWNS where he is renting, not just exchanging.

If he is renting exchanges, the exchange company could figure it out and cut him off at any time.

That leaves you sitting out in the cold.

Jef and Cindi, your well intended advise is too general and to be accurate in all cases.

While the largest exchange companies (RCI and II) have rules on the transfer of exchanges to guests, intended to prevent the renting of exchanges, other exchange companies have no such rules and do not restrict the renting of exchanges.

Again, many tuggers rent and what they have available to rent might include exchanges that are legitimate rentals.
 

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What companies allow renting? DAE does not.
 

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Note, a exception to the general "guest certicate rule" is that a guest certicate is required by RCI if a Owner is renting out his RCI points ownership week.

The way that works that the RCI Points owner can use his week say in 2008, but then will not get the RCI points for that ownership 2008.

Then if they rent thier RCI Points week out they then have to get a guest certifcate put into the renters name.

I have done that several times with some of our 4 RCI Points ownerships.

Bruce :D
 
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I would like to think that we tug members would give another tug member the benefit of the doubt that they are legitably renting what they offer for rent here on tug.

There are over 29,000 registered users on TUG - most of whom never post. I would never give anyone the "benefit of the doubt" with a rental unless I knew them personally on TUG.

Also - you do not have to be a TUG member to advertise here...

Last summer I rented from a TUG member that I did not know, and she became quite annoyed with me when I asked her if her rental was an exchange and asked to see a copy of the confirmation. When I asked her if she would send a stranger several hundred dollars on no more basis than an email, she admitted she wouldn't and provided the information I asked for. As it turned out, she did have a lot of points that she was legitimately turning into rentals, but there was no way for me to know that if I didn't ask for documentation.

Asking questions does not cast doubts on anyone's character - it's simply good business practice and good common sense.
 
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Rental fiction

I have proven it to myself that without doubt some rental ads are simply a fiction designed to attract interest. For example see Bidshares.com auction #341014 This agent, whoever she is, has dozens of rental weeks on auction. The advice to verify unit ownership and the actual reservation in the renter's name is absolutely correct.
 

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Asking questions does not cast doubts on anyone's character - it's simply good business practice and good common sense.

I agree... Ask all the questions that you need, to ensure that the renter can deliver what they have advertised and is not breaking any rules that might leave you high and dry.

However, posts 3,4 and 5 in this thread quickly cast doubt on an identified tug member advertising here on tug. And used a broad brush to assume and discredit renting "exchanges" when in fact there are many instances when it is legitimate to rent a property that you don't own (even exchanges) and which may require a "guest certificate".

Ask question of the renter YES, but don't jump to assumptions that tug members are "breaking the rules" and renting what they should not on this site.

It's difficult enough renting timeshares without folks posting false information that makes readers think that any rental involving an "exchange" or "guest certificate" is improper. That is simply not the case and is unfair to people , especially identified tug members, trying to rent that which they have every right to rent.
 
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Barry Skolky? Buyer beware!

Highly unprofessional. He will bail out on you at the last minute with no warning. I rented from him in mid-July for an end of January timeshare. I received confirmation e-mail from him. I made airline reservations, ground transportation, lift tickets, and ski rental arrangements.

We were very excited, until January 2 (three weeks before we were to leave). That is when we got a check in the mail for the rented price, with a K and E Travel Timeshare Specialist note stating "Enclosed is a check for ..., your payment. Unit was withdrawn by resort in error. I tried to get another unit but all they had was ... sorry, so sorry. Barry". This was the only contact.

I could have moved to one of the options given, but that would have required him giving me a phone call which he did not. Again, there was no attempt to contact me. Though I have tried to contact him, there has been no return call. We were able to find another place but at a much increased rate given the last minute situation Barry Skolky left us in.

While I have many choice words for Mr. Skolky, the goal of this email is simply to warn others, not to bash Mr. Skolky. Simply stated, if you want to plan a vacation - I would recommend avoiding Barry Skolky. He's the kind of vacation surprise that is most unpleasant.
 

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Sorry to hear that. I hope you find something.

The sad thing is that there could be a great reason it is not available and there could easily be a nice resolution that would make you happy but when he failed to communicate it all goes down the toilet.


(Wow this is an old thread)
 

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I like it when a renter asks for proof that that rental is mine to rent as I will send them a copy of a comfirmed reservation if it is for a floating week or a copy of of our deedand/or a copy of our paid maintenance fees.

It shows definate interest my the potential renter.

If they are asking about one of my Christmas Mountain in Wisconsin Dells, Wi., I tell them they can call the front desk give my name, the check in date and the unit number I have reserved as I have given CMV permission to please give that info out. I have done the same thing with our Florida Bay Club in the Keys.

Bruce :D

There are over 29,000 registered users on TUG - most of whom never post. I would never give anyone the "benefit of the doubt" with a rental unless I knew them personally on TUG.

Also - you do not have to be a TUG member to advertise here...

Last summer I rented from a TUG member that I did not know, and she became quite annoyed with me when I asked her if her rental was an exchange and asked to see a copy of the confirmation. When I asked her if she would send a stranger several hundred dollars on no more basis than an email, she admitted she wouldn't and provided the information I asked for. As it turned out, she did have a lot of points that she was legitimately turning into rentals, but there was no way for me to know that if I didn't ask for documentation.

Asking questions does not cast doubts on anyone's character - it's simply good business practice and good common sense.
 
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confirmation e-mail---an actual contract?

I don't know if you've cashed the check, yet, but maybe you shouldn't. There might be something on it that relieves them of of any further liability.

If you have a "confirmation e-mail" of the rental agreement, then (I think) that would be a binding contract. If they don't deliver, and it costs you more $$$ to obtain what you were promised, that could be a basis for a small claims action. (I know that is the route I would take.)

Just some thoughts. I hope that you "DO" have a nice vacation.

Tony
 

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You have a clear breach of contract and are entitled to damages ( not just your rent check back). I'd write him a letter which said I'm taking him to small claims court unless he finds you a room.
 
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