What happens if someone doesn’t pay the $3 fee to marriott on resale

[Wanderlustgrl]

We have an offer on our pts but the buyer is asking what happens if they don’t pay that fee. I know they can’t use the explorer collection or Bonvoy. Is that all?

 

[Fasttr]

I believe, per the the docs, they would only be able to reserve during the open reservation period, which is within 60 days of check in.

 

[Pamplemousse]

I agree with Fasttr.
I was just looking for the enrollment documentation this weekend and found it on the owner site under resources, helpful tools, enrollment documentation, reservation procedures.
There is a chart near the end of the document that shows owners who do not pay the initiation fee are restricted to booking 0-60 days in advance.

 

[ljmiii]

Theoretically owners who don't pay the initiation fee are restricted to booking 60 days in advance. That said, I have a memory of someone on TUG reporting that MVC simply refused to add the points in question to their account until they paid the fees. The points were in their name...they just couldn't use them to make reservations.

 

[Hindsite]

They won't count to wards owner benefit level status and as others have said they can only be used for 0-60day reservations. I recall reading somewhere that someone used them for that and it suited them very well.

 

[Wanderlustgrl]

Thanks all

 

[jp10558]

I'm a little confused - is this some pure points product, or does the person get the fixed week and just cannot elect points in any reasonable sense? I.e. can the person just not use points and instead use II with the week they presumably own?

 

[dioxide45]

I'm a little confused - is this some pure points product, or does the person get the fixed week and just cannot elect points in any reasonable sense? I.e. can the person just not use points and instead use II with the week they presumably own?

Abound Trust Points. Pure points.

 

[Pamplemousse]

I'm a little confused - is this some pure points product, or does the person get the fixed week and just cannot elect points in any reasonable sense? I.e. can the person just not use points and instead use II with the week they presumably own?

OP is selling their points resale.
Buyer would have to pay MVC a $3/ point “initiation fee” to fully activate them.
If they don’t pay the fee the points are limited as per my post #3- less than 60 day point booking on MVC.
If they do pay the fee then the resale points work the same as direct purchase or elected points and count towards benefit level.

I am not certain if the uninitiated points could be used on II- I didn’t come across that in the documentation.
But Abound points can’t be used to book Abound properties on II so it would seem odd to buy the brand and not use it.
And if they wanted to use II it would make sense to just buy a week.

 

[Hindsite]

If they don’t pay the fee they are limited as per my post #3.

Sorry to ask a clarification question: Do you know if the points without the initiation fee can be transferred to II or not?

 

[iftravel]

They won't count to wards owner benefit level status and as others have said they can only be used for 0-60day reservations. I recall reading somewhere that someone used them for that and it suited them very well.

Sounds interesting and likely it works for someone who just wants 0-60 day access anyway and any extra benefit would be a plus. I’m curious if they have to pay the same club fee and if they have access for last minute deals etc.

 

[Hindsite]

Sounds interesting and likely it works for someone who just wants 0-60 day access anyway and any extra benefit would be a plus. I’m curious if they have to pay the same club fee and if they have access for last minute deals etc.

Feed your curiosity on the 33 page exchange procedures. Not sure how it works in practice, which may vary if you are or aren't already an MVC owner, whether you own weeks and/or Trust points and what owner level you are.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Sorry to ask a clarification question: Do you know if the points without the initiation fee can be transferred to II or not?

I don’t know.
You might find the answer in the enrollment doc I reference in #3.
But if they could be used it would not be to Abound properties so not sure why one would go that route.

 

[Hindsite]

But if they could be used it would not be to Abound properties so not sure why one would go that route.

Thanks, it was building on the post a few days ago on using Club points in II, so I was just trying to expand understanding further.

 

[Dean]

They won't count to wards owner benefit level status and as others have said they can only be used for 0-60day reservations. I recall reading somewhere that someone used them for that and it suited them very well.

I am going to push back on the 60 days or under requirement, I know it's been thrown out there a lot. I'm using your post as a forum to reply on this subject.

I don't have real world experience but I've reviewed the legal documentation and communicated with Marriott Customer Services directly on several occasions (verbally and email) and all indications I get are that the points are available to use at any resorts including the non MVC options of Vistana & Westin. I presume they will be counted like an Owner level rather than available status and my reading of the documentation tends to suggest that is the case. It wouldn't surprise me though if one were able to use such points at the 13 month window without the additional restrictions of owner level. I get no indication anywhere of a restriction for 60 days or under.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Thanks, it was building on the post a few days ago on using Club points in II, so I was just trying to expand understanding further.

Yes, I only answered on this post because I was discussing Abound with my adult child this weekend and hunted down the documents.

 

[Pamplemousse]

I am going to push back on the 60 days or under requirement, I know it's been thrown out there a lot. I'm using your post as a forum to reply on this subject.

I don't have real world experience but I've reviewed the legal documentation and communicated with Marriott Customer Services directly on several occasions (verbally and email) and all indications I get are that the points are available to use at any resorts including the non MVC options of Vistana & Westin. I presume they will be counted like an Owner level rather than available status and my reading of the documentation tends to suggest that is the case. It wouldn't surprise me though if one were able to use such points at the 13 month window without the additional restrictions of owner level. I get no indication anywhere of a restriction for 60 days or under.

I’m going to tap out of this conv now since it doesn’t apply to me but the link in #12 is what I was referring to in #3 and schedule 2 on page 28 shows the restrictions (5).

 

[Fasttr]

I am going to push back on the 60 days or under requirement, I know it's been thrown out there a lot. I'm using your post as a forum to reply on this subject.

I don't have real world experience but I've reviewed the legal documentation and communicated with Marriott Customer Services directly on several occasions (verbally and email) and all indications I get are that the points are available to use at any resorts including the non MVC options of Vistana & Westin. I presume they will be counted like an Owner level rather than available status and my reading of the documentation tends to suggest that is the case. It wouldn't surprise me though if one were able to use such points at the 13 month window without the additional restrictions of owner level. I get no indication anywhere of a restriction for 60 days or under.

This is where it comes from....

Further, with respect to Direct Members, until payment of any required initiation fee is received (or waived by Exchange Company), the New Program Member may not be entitled to Base Plus Exchange Benefits or Special Benefits in Exchange Company’s sole discretion; however, payment of the initiation fee (or waiver by Exchange Company) will allow access to the Base Plus Exchange Benefits. With respect to Exchange Members, until payment of the initiation fee, the New Program Member will not be entitled to participate in the Program

Which basically says you are stuck with only the Base Exchange Benefits which are defined as....

Base Exchange Benefits mean the limited ability to make exchanges during the Open Reservation Period and access to such other programs and services defined and offered by Exchange Company as Base Exchange Benefits, from time to time, in Exchange Company’s sole discretion.

The Open Reservation Period is 0-60 days from check in.

 

[Dean]

I’m going to tap out of this conv now since it doesn’t apply to me but the link in #12 is what I was referring to in #3 and schedule 2 on page 28 shows the restrictions (5).

Thank you both.

 

[DRH90277]

I didn't see anything about maintenance fees on these points. The points would need to be registered in some category to enable the collection of maintenance fees. If no maintenance fees were paid, the points would likely be dishonored.

Who would want to live under this cloud by even buying the points?

 

[rickandcindy23]

They won't count to wards owner benefit level status and as others have said they can only be used for 0-60day reservations. I recall reading somewhere that someone used them for that and it suited them very well.

This was exactly my thoughts. I would want those points to count toward status. And if you pass at $3 PP and pay $3 PP, that's a lot better than $14-17 per point. I would certainly do it. If I get rid of more of my timeshares, I may be attempting a resale purchase. Still, the fees are high compared to what I am paying.

 

[Hindsite]

This was exactly my thoughts. I would want those points to count toward status. And if you pass at $3 PP and pay $3 PP, that's a lot better than $14-17 per point. I would certainly do it. If I get rid of more of my timeshares, I may be attempting a resale purchase. Still, the fees are high compared to what I am paying.

You could rent club points from another owner for less than the cost of maint fees, so no need to buy resale club points. You must already be well over the Chairman threshold.

 

[Dean]

I didn't see anything about maintenance fees on these points. The points would need to be registered in some category to enable the collection of maintenance fees. If no maintenance fees were paid, the points would likely be dishonored.

Who would want to live under this cloud by even buying the points?

Actually I would consider it for a smaller amount even with the 60 day restriction now that I'm approaching retirement. Also I wouldn't be surprised if the written rules differed from reality. To me the flexibility of my own points outweighs the minor savings with renting even with the potential limitations. The main issue to me is the maintenance fees in general.

 

[Wanderlustgrl]

owner decided to pay the fee! Marriott exercised their right of first refusal at $2.50 per point on 3500 pts!

 

[rickandcindy23]

The buyer definitely lost a great deal.