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You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

davidvel said:
I know you were not replying to me, but admittedly I watched only about 2 minutes of the 35+ minute video. In that time I saw the car cut-off a cement truck and 2 other vehicles, failing to yield to them on an unprotected left turn, also blocking the intersection. 3 violations of the vehicle code in 1 turn. That was very similar to what I experienced in the drive I recently took, so maybe the same software version.
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Can you point out at what point in the video you observed this specific behavior? It's been a couple months since I watched this specific content when it was first released, but one of the reasons I subscribe to BlackTesla is that he provides a fair and pretty thorough review of FSD behavior using various challenging routes and scenarios, which is a good test of the FSD stack over time. He has several routes, like me, where he uses the same exact route to test specific edge cases where FSD has been known to inconsistently handle said scenarios. I skimmed the video and did not spy a cement truck item, but I likely just missed it since I have no specific point of reference.

Big picture though, we have gone from a FSD system that simply could not navigate any major urban area, to a system that by and large does so in a safe and reliable manner, and most of the scenarios that remain are edge cases for things like construction, road closures, and other edge cases that require more NN video content and training. We're now basically at a point where FSD handles 95% of driving without issue, and the remaining 5% of the edge cases are the focus area. IMHO, that's pretty impressive progress within a three-year time span, and this is the worst it will ever be, it's only getting significantly better over time with the super-cluster NN training from Dojo and Cortex.
 
Ralph Sir Edward said:
They will worry about immediate availability. Rush hours will not go away because of robotaxis. They are inherent with workflow timings. I find it unlikely that there will be enough robotaxis to handle peak demand - too many would be idle (sunk cost, no revenue) during that majority of non-peak times. Congestion pricing? You could say that owning would be the best answer. . .
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With V2I and V2V comms roughly 50% of congestion will be resolved. That is the 50% that is caused by humans driving and lack of consistency, errors and bad decisions, including accidents. Granted, this is a ways out - but that’s the goal. Add to that roughly 25% carpooling to like destinations and all of a sudden that congestion disappears. This has all been analyzed extensively via many studies and subsequently via AI and solutions have been played out in detail already. The solutions are mostly complete and in the process of being built out and implemented, it’s just most people aren’t paying attention, and will therefore miss out on a ton of wealth creation.


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Emmjay said:
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This case is already on appeal. It's worth noting that, at least to date, Tesla has a near perfect track record of winning these cases on appeal, given the simple fact is that it is an L2 ADAS system where it clearly states that the driver has to pay attention, and specifically in this case, the driver freely admitted to dropping his cellphone and taking his eyes off the road to search for his cellphone. The driver also freely admitted that he understood that what was termed Autopilot back then (this case stems from 2019), was clearly an L2 ADAS system and that he understood the use of it required constant driver monitoring. This is why these cases are all won on appeal - the facts are ignored - and this is why we have an appeals process.
 
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HitchHiker71 said:
This case is already on appeal. It's worth noting that, at least to date, Tesla has a near perfect track record of winning these cases on appeal, given the simple fact is that it is an L2 ADAS system where it clearly states that the driver has to pay attention, and specifically in this case, the driver freely admitted to dropping his cellphone and taking his eyes off the road to search for his cellphone. The plaintiff also freely admitted that he understood that what was termed Autopilot back then (this case stems from 2019), was clearly an L2 ADAS system and that he understood the use of it required constant driver monitoring. This is why these cases are all won on appeal - the facts are ignored - and this is why we have an appeals process.
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The plaintiff was not the driver, they were a pedestrian and parent of a deceased pedestrian that the driver/car hit and injured/killed. Undoubtedly the plaintiffs knew nothing of how the Tesla worked.
 
HitchHiker71 said:
Can you point out at what point in the video you observed this specific behavior? It's been a couple months since I watched this specific content when it was first released, but one of the reasons I subscribe to BlackTesla is that he provides a fair and pretty thorough review of FSD behavior using various challenging routes and scenarios, which is a good test of the FSD stack over time. He has several routes, like me, where he uses the same exact route to test specific edge cases where FSD has been known to inconsistently handle said scenarios. I skimmed the video and did not spy a cement truck item, but I likely just missed it since I have no specific point of reference.

Big picture though, we have gone from a FSD system that simply could not navigate any major urban area, to a system that by and large does so in a safe and reliable manner, and most of the scenarios that remain are edge cases for things like construction, road closures, and other edge cases that require more NN video content and training. We're now basically at a point where FSD handles 95% of driving without issue, and the remaining 5% of the edge cases are the focus area. IMHO, that's pretty impressive progress within a three-year time span, and this is the worst it will ever be, it's only getting significantly better over time with the super-cluster NN training from Dojo and Cortex.
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It was near the end. I saw the cement truck when scanning through the preview, which caught my eye.
 
davidvel said:
The plaintiff was not the driver, they were a pedestrian and parent of a deceased pedestrian that the driver/car hit and injured/killed. Undoubtedly the plaintiffs knew nothing of how the Tesla worked.
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Yes sorry I meant driver in both cases - post corrected. Agreed the plaintiffs in this case had no knowledge of the Tesla systems in use at the time, there’s no reasonable expectation for them to have this knowledge.


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youppi said:
Tesla shareholders sue Tesla and Elon Musk over undisclosed safety risk of Robotaxi and FSD

www.motortrend.com

Report: Tesla and Elon Musk Sued Over Self-Driving Claims

Testing allegedly revealed safety issues with the Robotaxi and other self-driving Tesla models that went undisclosed.
www.motortrend.com www.motortrend.com

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Typical class action lawsuit from a firm that does nothing but class action lawsuits - Pomlaw. It’s a spurious class action suit, as are the rest of the lawsuits from this grifter law firm. The only people that win anything in class action lawsuits are the lawyers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952748020220805620


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