at what price would Marriott exercise ROFR on platinum oceanfront on HHI?

[Latravel]

Wow, this is getting interesting! Please tell us the story!

 

[laurac260]

Wow, this is getting interesting! Please tell us the story!

I will. I promise I will. There's a reason why I won't now, and it has nothing to do with any games being played, atleast not on my part. Some "dust needs to settle." There's some nasty games being played out there though, I'm hear to say.

 

[FlyerBobcat]

Flyerbob - The whole purpose of the database is to document what passes Marriotts ROFR inorder to assist people in establishing bottom line asking prices aka price threshold. It's not perfect and we don't have tons of info on each property but it's something. Did you think otherwise?

Heidi,

I think the ROFR database is interesting and sometimes useful information. But given what we know now, that being:

At the current time, Marriott has generally discontinued grabbing any units via ROFR

using the database to "assist people in establishing bottom line asking prices aka price threshold" in meaningless.

Then you combine it with the fact that a sufficient amount of recent data does not exist for Barony (oceanfront/oceanside), that really makes it meaningless (to determine that "threshold") -- even if Marriott was still exercising ROFR.

So I'll ask it back to you: Do you think otherwise?

 

[SueDonJ]

Susan, don't waste your time on conspiracy theories. I am who I say I am, and he is who I say he is. No one else knew of any deals. There is no record around to speak of. THIS I KNOW TO BE A FACT.

Okay, but my point is the same as Latravel's: what does it matter? As long as you're happy with the way you bought and the price you paid, then nothing we could think should make any difference. As far as trying to prove a point that Marriott salespeople sometimes act in ways that discredit them and/or the product, well, that's already understood by most everyone on these message boards.

 

[laurac260]

Okay, but my point is the same as Latravel's: what does it matter? As long as you're happy with the way you bought and the price you paid, then nothing we could think should make any difference. As far as trying to prove a point that Marriott salespeople sometimes act in ways that discredit them and/or the product, well, that's already understood by most everyone on these message boards.

duly noted, Susan.

 

[laurac260]

ok, tugdoc, since you aren't going to favor us with your presence again...I'm sure you had a good laugh amongst your colleagues, Jim/tom, whichever one of you unscrupulous sales people that decided to "break the news" as to what we paid.

The difference between you and I is that I was nothing but honest and forthright. You were not, which is why you lost the sale with me.

Regarding our $30,000 timesale purchase, we pulled the plug on that one this morning. Thanks fellow tuggers, it was your input that made me realize that we were being taken by the resale broker as well. We are very new to this, we do not own a timeshare yet. Maybe some day we will, if we can ever get to the bottom line to this whole process. It has not happened yet. We will continue renting.

Tom, Jim, I hope there are ALOT of buyers out there. You just burned this bridge for good. Good luck to you.

 

[SueDonJ]

duly noted, Susan.

Laura, I think I came across with a different attitude than intended. Back when I was new to these boards and was trying to figure out how to use MRP's for a travel package, I contacted the MRP reps as well as asked questions here. The information I got was conflicting, but I was too new to the boards to realize that I could have shared a whole lot more information than I had here in order to make the best of the situation we were in and what we were trying to do. I worried that if I followed the advice here then I would somehow be jeopardizing what I wanted from the reps. I thought that the regular posters to these boards were becoming irritated with me for all my cloak-and-dagger posts, when really all they were trying to do was place the focus on what was important and what wasn't - namely, what was possible for both me and Marriott to do with MRP travel packages.

Aside from all this, and repeating what I've posted in other threads to you, I think it's great that you're learning everything that's possible prior to making a commitment to buy. No matter which way a person buys or how much s/he may pay for it, it is possible for any owner to enjoy his/her Marriott timeshare if s/he's ultimately satisfied with his/her purchase. Good luck.

 

[laurac260]

Laura, I think I came across with a different attitude than intended. Back when I was new to these boards and was trying to figure out how to use MRP's for a travel package, I contacted the MRP reps as well as asked questions here. The information I got was conflicting, but I was too new to the boards to realize that I could have shared a whole lot more information than I had here in order to make the best of the situation we were in and what we were trying to do. I worried that if I followed the advice here then I would somehow be jeopardizing what I wanted from the reps. I thought that the regular posters to these boards were becoming irritated with me for all my cloak-and-dagger posts, when really all they were trying to do was place the focus on what was important and what wasn't - namely, what was possible for both me and Marriott to do with MRP travel packages.

Aside from all this, and repeating what I've posted in other threads to you, I think it's great that you're learning everything that's possible prior to making a commitment to buy. No matter which way a person buys or how much s/he may pay for it, it is possible for any owner to enjoy his/her Marriott timeshare is s/he's ultimately satisfied with his/her purchase. Good luck.

Susan, I think you can sum up my feelings about the whole timeshare market, BEFORE we started this process, in one word, naive. I knew that salespeople will sometimes "bend the truth" in order to get a sale, or at the very least, make a deal appear to be the "deal of a lifetime", when it is essentially not. But I have never, ever seen such tactics as I experienced while trying to buy a timeshare. It was sickening. I know the sales people have kids to feed, but don't they have to look themselves in the mirror everyday too?

Perhaps I was too "cloak and dagger" with some of my posts. You should know that the two salespeople I spoke with at Marriott, and the one resale broker, all said that people on Tug were not to be trusted. One guy called you all "wackjobs", another called you all disgruntled. The resale guy said that alot of the info posted was by salespeople trying to lead people astray, or to create a heightened sense of, whatever, need, panic, you name it. How do you ever know who you can trust? It is not a feeling I enjoy, so we decided to back away and let the sharks feed on someone else.

There's a TON more to the story, but that is where we are. The rest is just giving the details as to the lengths salespeople went. In the end, I suppose none of it matters. It just makes for good copy.

It is just very frustrating when being honest turns around to bite you in the @$$.

 

[SueDonJ]

That frustration is more than understood here, believe me, because it's been experienced by all of us at one point or another.

What I haven't experienced personally, though, is a salesperson who has tried to lie, mislead, connive or in any way negatively impact any of our decisions. Granted, that could be because we went in armed with a little bit of information about the Marriott product as well as the resale market, we knew exactly what we wanted, and we knew our budget ceiling. In fact, we continue to contact our salesperson when we have questions about different aspects of our ownership, and she has commented that what I've learned on TUG has been a good reference for us to get the most out of our ownership.

Two caveats, though:

We consider our experience with our Marriott salesperson to be out of the norm because of what's been related on TUG by owners at our resorts as well as other resorts.

One of the things I've read here makes me believe that other people have not been so fortunate with our salesperson - if their description is correct, then she's not above some of the questionable tactics. I have no way to explain that.

 

[ldanna]

Regarding our $30,000 timesale purchase, we pulled the plug on that one this morning. Thanks fellow tuggers, it was your input that made me realize that we were being taken by the resale broker as well. We are very new to this, we do not own a timeshare yet. Maybe some day we will, if we can ever get to the bottom line to this whole process. It has not happened yet. We will continue renting.

Laura, it's nice to know you have found Tugbbs and saw this is a serious board.

Platinum Oceanfront Marriott in HHI are rare and they don't come around very often, but considering the curren market, $30k is a lot IMO. If you're interesting in HHI, I have heard hear about a female broker (I can't remember her name) that evebody here likes a lot, an she is serious (somebody will give you her name).

I hope you will soon have your TS, preferably Marriott. Just keep around and you will learn a lot, and you will find something good for you, maybe even a bargain.

Try the link on the top of this page (Marketplace), try eBay, and feel free to ask.

BTW, Susan is great, and a top HHI fan.

 

[Zac495]

So you got out of the 30K timeshare? I hope so. That was weird - that odd post. I don't understand why a salesperson would do such a weird thing (I totally believe you're who you say you are - it's just weird they told such a HIGH price - clearly we'd tell you that was too much).

 

[laurac260]

So you got out of the 30K timeshare? I hope so. That was weird - that odd post. I don't understand why a salesperson would do such a weird thing (I totally believe you're who you say you are - it's just weird they told such a HIGH price - clearly we'd tell you that was too much).

the Marriott salesperson took a burn because I backed out of his contract to go with a resale. If the Marriott salespeople had been honest and forthright, I wouldn't have felt the need to look elsewhere for a different opinion, which lead me to the resale, etc. The salesperson, or one of his cohorts, took the time out of his commission based day to log onto tug, find my thread, set up his own tug acct, just to post what my resale price was in an attempt to embarrass me. Too bad they didn't spend as much effort on their integrity as they did on their unscrupulousness (if that is a word).

 

[Latravel]

Well, this has turned out to be a very interesting thread!

My dealings with Marriott salespeople were nothing like you described. No pressure and they acted like they didn't need the sale. The difference is I purchased my timeshares when times were good so they probably had many sales. Also, i'm sure there are different levels of competency and professionalism among the various salespeople. There's nothing wrong with renting, especially now with some great deals, until you find the right unit at the right price.

I'm sorry for your experience! I hope it doesn't sour you on the Marriott product. Regardless how you purchased (resale or direct), or if some here are disgruntled by something Marriott has done, we do agree it's a quality product.

 

[FlyerBobcat]

If you're interesting in HHI, I have heard hear about a female broker (I can't remember her name) that evebody here likes a lot, an she is serious (somebody will give you her name).

I hope you will soon have your TS, preferably Marriott. Just keep around and you will learn a lot, and you will find something good for you, maybe even a bargain.

I think it might be Shelley at transactionrealty.com -- but please correct me if I'm wrong. A few links:
http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60303

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?p=678030

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86242

 

[Dean]

I know of 2 OF units for HH that have gone through at or under $20K lately. I also know of one foreclosure that was presold resale at $26.5K by one of the resale brokers on the island. IMO, it really depends on price and how you'd use it. For exchanging view type doesn't matter, for usage, renting and selling again later, it matters a lot. Thus what I'd give depends in part of the resort, view type and what I'm going to use it for.

 

[ecwinch]

Susan, don't waste your time on conspiracy theories. I am who I say I am, and he is who I say he is. No one else knew of any deals. There is no record around to speak of. THIS I KNOW TO BE A FACT.

I kinda got a kick out the emphatic way you put this. Plus I gotta stick up for my peeps.

So, without any gory details - is it the fact he disclosed the 30k price the tell-tale sign that "He is who I say he is"?

Or was there some other "tell" that gave him away?

 

[vacdoc]

Holy Cow!!

This beats all I've ever seen. Ha Ha Ha. Laura I have no inside info on what you paid for your timeshare! 30,000 was merely a guess! But I guess, due to your response and future posts, that I was pretty much on the money. I too am looking for a wk on hhi. But, will pay nowhere close to that. Though Marriotts prices are a little up there, my sales girl was very nice when I was there. Oh, and not to start a million more threads, but I have read all of yours. Doesn't seem as though you were very honest with your salesperson at all!
Cloaks and Daggers,
Joe

 

[Latravel]

Ok.... now this is getting weird but oddly fascinating.

 

[SueDonJ]

Ok.... now this is getting weird but oddly fascinating.

Coincidentally, that's how I think of most every thread on this Marriott board.

 

[Zac495]

This beats all I've ever seen. Ha Ha Ha. Laura I have no inside info on what you paid for your timeshare! 30,000 was merely a guess! But I guess, due to your response and future posts, that I was pretty much on the money. I too am looking for a wk on hhi. But, will pay nowhere close to that. Though Marriotts prices are a little up there, my sales girl was very nice when I was there. Oh, and not to start a million more threads, but I have read all of yours. Doesn't seem as though you were very honest with your salesperson at all!
Cloaks and Daggers,
Joe

I don't get it.

 

[laurac260]

Why would you do this? I don't get it. Did you come to TUG for help? Off to a bad start! Or is Laura on the money?

Zac, "joe" is not as bright as he thinks he is. Someone logs onto tug for the first time in like EVER, seeks out MY post, magically knows EXACTLY how much I paid, said I paid too much, then does not post again, except to come back and goad me again.

In answer to your question, Laura is "on the money". And, there was no cloak and dagger in my representation of myself to any salesperson. Nice try, Joe. Remember when you told me the people on Tug were all idiots? I think the joke's on you. :hysterical:

 

[laurac260]

I kinda got a kick out the emphatic way you put this. Plus I gotta stick up for my peeps.

So, without any gory details - is it the fact he disclosed the 30k price the tell-tale sign that "He is who I say he is"?

Or was there some other "tell" that gave him away?

Eric, who are "your peeps"? Are you a salesperson too?

 

[Zac495]

Zac, "joe" is not as bright as he thinks he is. Someone logs onto tug for the first time in like EVER, seeks out MY post, magically knows EXACTLY how much I paid, said I paid too much, then does not post again, except to come back and goad me again.

In answer to your question, Laura is "on the money". And, there was no cloak and dagger in my representation of myself to any salesperson. Nice try, Joe. Remember when you told me the people on Tug were all idiots? I think the joke's on you. :hysterical:

I edited my own post because I worried that I was getting personal and that's against the rules - you quoted me before I edited it.

Oh - I'm Ellen. I am just glad that you didn't spend 30K on a timeshare. I hope you find the right timeshare at the right price for you.

 

[laurac260]

I edited my own post because I worried that I was getting personal and that's against the rules - you quoted me before I edited it.

Oh - I'm Ellen. I am just glad that you didn't spend 30K on a timeshare. I hope you find the right timeshare at the right price for you.

thanks ellen.

 

[ownsmany]

this thread is too weird. Whoever is playing games should stop. You are wasting everyone's time. Tug is for Timeshare owners / buyers who really want to help each other. Get a life.