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Trading Restrictions..... Ocean Pointe & Oceana Palms

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I own at Ocean Pointe, and recently sent an email to Interval International regarding the trading restrictions imposed between Ocean Point and Oceana Palms:crash:

I thought I would post the reply which they provided to me for everyone to see:

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"Thank you for your e-mail message."

"Any geographic (or regional) restriction is a common agreement between Interval International and a resort or several resorts in that given area. The idea is that if you own at a resort that is located in an area that has a geographic restriction, you cannot confirm an exchange into another resort in that same area. Geographic restrictions may encompass (but are not limited to) city limits, an entire county or part of a state. All participants of the timeshare exchange industry are well aware of geographic restrictions, including ARDA (the American Resort Developer Association)."

"Unfortunately you will not be able, at any time to exchange Marriott's Ocean Pointe for Marriott's Oceana Palms."

"If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us."

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Well there it is for all to read and see for themselves.

That said, out of curiosity, does anyone know of any other trading restrictions that are currently in effect at other resorts elsewhere in the USA?
 
Orlando Marriotts into Orlando Westgates and Disney Resorts when they were part of Interval. Of course, that is not what my sale rep told me when I bought in Orlando:annoyed:
 
Many resorts in many areas have geographic trade restrictions. There is a list of areas that have restrictions in the II resort directory. FYI, the restrictions are imposed by the resorts, not by II.
 
gmarine said:
... FYI, the restrictions are imposed by the resorts, not by II.
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Marriott doesn't want you to buy resale at OP and trade back into there expensive jewel down the road. They would rather you fork over the $50K to them. :D
 
thinze3 said:
Marriott doesn't want you to buy resale at OP and trade back into there expensive jewel down the road. They would rather you fork over the $50K to them. :D
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I don't know neither OP nor Oceana Palms, but as far as I know, OP is a top quality resort (one of the best Marriott resorts), ocean front property, with great pools and everything else. Is Oceana Palms a lot better or just a concept Marriott is trying to impose to charge more money for a similar resort?
 
That said, out of curiosity, does anyone know of any other trading restrictions that are currently in effect at other resorts elsewhere in the USA?
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There are many areas of the country which II has these kind of restrictions. Orlando, Vegas and Palm Desert all come to mind.
 
The only way around this as I see it is to not exchange through I.I. but to use one of the independant exchange companies. Of course, my bet would be that there will be darn little Oceana Palms inventory in any of the independants for some time.
 
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Bill4728 said:
There are many areas of the country which II has these kind of restrictions. Orlando, Vegas and Palm Desert all come to mind.
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Yes,but I can trade my Orlando marriott Grande Vista into the other Marriott Orlando TSs.....can Hilton Head Marriott owners do the same?
 
ldanna said:
I don't know neither OP nor Oceana Palms, but as far as I know, OP is a top quality resort (one of the best Marriott resorts), ocean front property, with great pools and everything else. Is Oceana Palms a lot better or just a concept Marriott is trying to impose to charge more money for a similar resort?
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Oceana Palms could have been called Ocean Pointe Sequel. It's only mile north of Ocean Pointe and on the same beach. I've walked up the beach to the Oceana Palms construction site.

Oceana Palms is on a smaller lot of land and will be two high rise buildings, one in front of the other. Ocean Pointe is five low rise buildings on a much larger lot of land with each building side by side. When we looked at the concept back in pre-construction, we decided we much prefer the layout of Ocean Pointe to Oceana Palms. Oceana Palms units will be of a newer design and more luxurious (IMHO) than Ocean Pointe. In our case, we are perfectly content with the quality of units and Ocean Poine and prefer the location, resort feel and resort layout to the concept that was present pre-construction for Oceana Palms. If we ever exchange into Oceana Palms who know, we might feel different about it then and wished we'd purchased a week there as well.
 
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GrayFal said:
Yes,but I can trade my Orlando marriott Grande Vista into the other Marriott Orlando TSs.....can Hilton Head Marriott owners do the same?
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No trading restrictions for Marriott Hilton Head properties.
 
aka Julie said:
No trading restrictions for Marriott Hilton Head properties.
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That is what I thought -
to the OP, please call Marriott Owner Services - NOT II - and clarify that there is a trade restriction - because I suspect that there is NOT one between Marriott.
 
dougp26364 said:
The only way around this as I see it is to not exchange through I.I. but to use one of the independant exchange companies. Of course, my bet would be that there will be darn little Oceana Palms inventory in any of the independants for some time.
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There is another. Ocean Pointe is part of the Florida Club. You can use the Florida Club to make a reservation at one of the other resorts and then deposit it in to II and try to search for Oceana Palms with the Florida Club week. It would be a tough trade, but possibly doable in shoulder season.
 
dougp26364 said:
Oceana Palms could have been called Ocean Pointe Sequel. It's on mile north of Ocean Pointe and on the same beach. I've walked up the beach to the Oceana Palms construction site.

Oceana Palms is on a smaller lot of land and will be two high rise buildings, one in front of the other. Ocean Pointe is five low rise buildings on a much larger lot of land with each building side by side. When we looked at the concept back in pre-construction, we decided we much prefer the layout of Ocean Pointe to Oceana Palms. Oceana Palms units will be of a newer design and more luxurious (IMHO) than Ocean Pointe. In our case, we are perfectly content with the quality of units and Ocean Poine and prefer the location, resort feel and resort layout to the concept that was present pre-construction for Oceana Palms. If we ever exchange into Oceana Palms who know, we might feel different about it then and wished we'd purchased a week there as well.
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Oceana Palms is what Marriott considers a hybrid resort. A common complaint is that TS resorts don't have the amenities of hotels, so they are appeasing those with the complaints with this resort. You will find more hotel like amenities at Oceana Palms than you would find at Ocean Pointe or most other MVCI resorts.
 
I believe there is a geographic restriction on HHI also, however, Marriott has II ignore it for Marriott to Marriott trades. If Oceana Palms is your choice you should be able to trade in with another Marriott unit from another area if you have one.

Beverley
 
GrayFal said:
That is what I thought -
to the OP, please call Marriott Owner Services - NOT II - and clarify that there is a trade restriction - because I suspect that there is NOT one between Marriott.
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This has been discussed on the Ocean Pointe owners group on Yahoo and, sad to say, there is a trade restriction in place and it supposedly has been initiated/requested by Marriott.
 
dioxide45 said:
There is another. Ocean Pointe is part of the Florida Club. You can use the Florida Club to make a reservation at one of the other resorts and then deposit it in to II and try to search for Oceana Palms with the Florida Club week. It would be a tough trade, but possibly doable in shoulder season.
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Hmmm, very interesting prospect for Ocean Pointe owners who would like to "try out" Oceana Palms. Very good point.
 
Dioxide45: The idea of using the Florida Club to do a swap to get into Oceana Palms is an excellent one! Very Creative thinking!

There's usually always a way to get to the piece of cheese......

Thanks for the suggestion.
 
dioxide45 said:
There is another. Ocean Pointe is part of the Florida Club. You can use the Florida Club to make a reservation at one of the other resorts and then deposit it in to II and try to search for Oceana Palms with the Florida Club week. It would be a tough trade, but possibly doable in shoulder season.
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We all know that "good" weeks are all gone by the time 6 months rolls around. I believe that if any decent week is reserved at another FC resort and deposited with II, a trade request for the following year (18 months away) would be very likely.

As stated above, make sure you have your own week booked at 12 or 13 months and make the reservation "change" at 6 months.

Good thinking Pat. It's not often that Ocean Pointe owners actually have good thoughts about the FC. ;)
 
dioxide45 said:
Oceana Palms is what Marriott considers a hybrid resort. A common complaint is that TS resorts don't have the amenities of hotels, so they are appeasing those with the complaints with this resort. You will find more hotel like amenities at Oceana Palms than you would find at Ocean Pointe or most other MVCI resorts.
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Any idea what we should expect as MF? Extra services should add some dollars in MF.
 
dougp26364 said:
This has been discussed on the Ocean Pointe owners group on Yahoo and, sad to say, there is a trade restriction in place and it supposedly has been initiated/requested by Marriott.
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Yes, it would have to be initiated by Marriott - just as they allow it in HHI and MCO - they are disallowing here - that stinks!

I agree with Dioxide - reserve at BeachPlace/Grande Vista thru the Florida Club then exchange thru II - but what a shame u have to go thru that hassle. And before others start posting that GV woud not trade into the new resort - it will as it gets into all the other 'difficult' resorts during 'high demand' times - and it would be easier to get a 2BR resie there (if u wanted/needed one) than BP at the 6 month mark because of the size of the resort/units availability.
 
thinze3 said:
We all know that "good" weeks are all gone by the time 6 months rolls around. I believe that if any decent week is reserved at another FC resort and deposited with II, a trade request for the following year (18 months away) would be very likely.

As stated above, make sure you have your own week booked at 12 or 13 months and make the reservation "change" at 6 months.

Good thinking Pat. It's not often that Ocean Pointe owners actually have good thoughts about the FC. ;)
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GrayFal said:
I agree with Dioxide - reserve at BeachPlace/Grande Vista thru the Florida Club then exchange thru II - but what a shame u have to go thru that hassle. And before others start posting that GV woud not trade into the new resort - it will as it gets into all the other 'difficult' resorts during 'high demand' times - and it would be easier to get a 2BR resie there (if u wanted/needed one) than BP at the 6 month mark because of the size of the resort/units availability.
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LOL, I missed your post - I reserve Feb/March weeks at Ocean Pointe every year thru the FL Club....every year!

But yes, it has to be a '2 year' plan.....
 
thinze3 said:
Enough said I guess. :)
Every February and March week is a high demand week according to Interval's demand index..
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Yes, it is - I own a Platinum week at Grand Vista....you could do the same with your Legends week and get a studio and 1BR to trade plus usually an AC from II - Ocean Pointe has Plat, Gold, Silver season....:cool:
 
The Florida Club is probably a OP owners best chance of trading in to Oceana Palms. Many MGV owners used the Florida Club to get around the Orlando regional block to exchange in to DVC while it was still associated with II.
 
Generally internal trades are exempted from such restrictions. I could not come up with other locations where Marriott had used the area restrictions. They do not in Orlando or HH, not totally sure about HI.
 
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