• Welcome to the FREE TUGBBS forums! The absolute best place for owners to get help and advice about their timeshares for more than 32 years!

    Join Tens of Thousands of other owners just like you here to get any and all Timeshare questions answered 24 hours a day!
  • TUG started 32 years ago in October 1993 as a group of regular Timeshare owners just like you!

    Read about our 32nd anniversary: Happy 32nd Birthday TUG!
  • TUG has a YouTube Channel to produce weekly short informative videos on popular Timeshare topics!

    All subscribers auto-entered to win all free TUG membership giveaways!

    Visit TUG on Youtube!
  • TUG has now saved timeshare owners more than $24,000,000 dollars just by finding us in time to rescind a new Timeshare purchase! A truly incredible milestone!

    Read more here: TUG saves owners more than $24 Million dollars
  • Wish you could meet up with other TUG members? Well look no further as this annual event has been going on for years in Orlando! How to Attend the TUG January Get-Together!
  • Now through the end of the year you can join or renew your TUG membership at the lowest price ever offered! Learn More!
  • Sign up to get the TUG Newsletter for free!

    Tens of thousands of subscribing owners! A weekly recap of the best Timeshare resort reviews and the most popular topics discussed by owners!
  • Our official "end my sales presentation early" T-shirts are available again! Also come with the option for a free membership extension with purchase to offset the cost!

    All T-shirt options here!
  • A few of the most common links here on the forums for newbies and guests!

RCI exchanging trade power theory

lgreenspan

TUG Review Crew
TUG Member
Joined
Jul 19, 2005
Messages
528
Reaction score
29
Location
Ohio
Resorts Owned
Sedona Springs , Marriott Grand Chatuea
Having read posts from others as well as observations with my own deposits it seems that RCI issues a lower trade power when a deposit is made that increases the longer the deposit has been made. This causes inpatient people to trade down to lesser units and also allows a more seasoned trader who is willing to wait get the trade they want assuring they will again deposit with RCI. Has anyone else experienced this?:rolleyes:
 
RCI representatives always said trading power (how ever that may be determined) was set at time of deposit.

You may also be describing what happens as more units are deposited as the desired time draws nearer.
 
How Exchange Companies Determine Value

Timeshare Owners need more information on
Trading Power - Best time to deposit - etc.

Wouldn`t it be great if only The Exchange Companies
would explain how they rate your timeshare deposits.

They should also have live representatives evaluate
your resorts & units manually to check for accuracy.

Everyone should have the opportunity to trade into
a gold crown resort at least once in a while even if
they own at a standard resort.
 
Having read posts from others as well as observations with my own deposits it seems that RCI issues a lower trade power when a deposit is made that increases the longer the deposit has been made. This causes impatient people to trade down to lesser units and also allows a more seasoned trader who is willing to wait get the trade they want assuring they will again deposit with RCI. Has anyone else experienced this?:rolleyes:

What you may be observing may be one of two things:

The number of availabe weeks in the desired area or at the desired resort increases until the deposited week can pull one, or

The "45 day" or "14 day at prime locations" window arrives, when most trading power restrictions are dropped. As far as I know, the 45 day window still exists but RCI doesn't mention it much any more. The "14 day window" is based on TUG's observations of availability in Hawaii and other prime locations.
 
Timeshare Owners need more information on
Trading Power - Best time to deposit - etc.

Wouldn`t it be great if only The Exchange Companies
would explain how they rate your timeshare deposits.

They should also have live representatives evaluate
your resorts & units manually to check for accuracy.

Everyone should have the opportunity to trade into
a gold crown resort at least once in a while even if
they own at a standard resort.

The best time to deposit, based on the experience at TUG as well as comments from RCI employees such as Madge, is one to two years before checkin.

RCI does explain the general factors that go into trading power (supply and demand at the resort, supply and demand for the area, date of deposit, VEP, size, week of the year), but does not explain the exact formula used, nor do they give out the data for supply and demand or VEP. VEP is one factor that goes into Gold Crown ratings, but it is not the only factor. Note that Gold Crown rating is NOT one of RCI's trading power factors, but VEP (vacation experience profile - from comment cards) influences both trading power and Gold Crown Status.

Also, the VEP (vacation experience profile) is supposed to reflect the experiences of live guests who stayed at the resort. There is a place on the comment card to state whether or not the information about the resort was accurate.

Actually, owners at standard resorts do have the opportunity to trade into Gold Crown resorts. It is easily done when there is a bulk bank at the Gold Crown or when trading into an overbuilt area. We have traded a standard resort for OLCC, Massanutten, etc. And based on the results of TUG trade tests, high demand weeks at standard resorts in high demand/low supply areas, trade better than Gold Crowns at overbuilt locations.
 
Last edited:
I think Gold Crown should be considered into trading power. Exchangers have higher expectations when visiting a Gold Crown and will rate there comment cards to that higher standard .
 
Everyone should have the opportunity to trade into
a gold crown resort at least once in a while even if
they own at a standard resort.

WHY???? In general...you want GC resorts...buy GC. Just asking for reasoning....why?

I think reasoning would be as EAM discussed. Overbuilt area, lots of GC's, demand of season for deposit and exchange, etc. AND THAT IS A FAIR EXCHANGE.

From your quote...I am lead to believe that if you deposit a standard resort 2 bedroom medium season 6 mo out, you should be able to exchange into a GC resort 2 bed medium season out. (Say different areas-but exactly same demand at this medium time of year.) Sounds like you think that Standard resort owners should get a GC every one in a while-just to be nice??? What about the GC owners that gave up their GC week? Give them only standard resorts once in a while-just to be mean?

That seams to be why many owners of higher demand weeks/resorts are reluctant to deposit. If I thought I would get a more fair exchange, I would be more inclined to deposit certain weeks-I don't want to get stuck with total dogs.
 
Ahh...just answered my quesion...called renting.

Silly me....called renting. Can't get what you want (or deserve) as an exchange...THEN RENT.

Part of me would love it if I could trade a standard 1 bed DOG resort for a 1 or even 2 bed So Cal Coastal-Marriott Newport Villas or whatever the first week of August.

But if I could...I would worry....not only what would I get if traded in something nicer-do I then only get dogs...

Also, how ethical is that? basically trying to give less than you get? gotta know...somebody gets the shaft...
 
As a timeshare owner you have a say in what happens at your timeshare

That is why they have annual meetings
HOA - board of directors meetings


Keeping a timeshare up is everyones responsibility
(management - owners, exchanger, renters, etc.)
No one should have to own or trade into a D O G !
 
Resort Recognition Awards


What Do Resort Recognition Awards Mean?


By George and Rosalie Leposky

In the constellation of “very nice” timeshare resorts, certain stars shine brighter because they have received a recognition award from their exchange company. Such recognition – whether it’s the Interval International Five Star Award or the RCI Gold Crown Resort designation – can mean a lot to your resort’s developer and management, and to you and other timeshare owners.

If you bought at a resort with a recognition award, the salesperson undoubtedly pointed it out to you as an external validation of the resort’s claim to quality.

Also, because exchanges typically involve swapping accommodations at your home resort for accommodations of similar quality at another resort, owning at a resort with a recognition award opens the doors for you to exchange into other award-winning resorts.

If you’ve arranged such an exchange, you may have been deliriously happy with it – or not. While a recreational slum would be unlikely to earn and retain a recognition award, the quality level among resorts that do qualify for a recognition award may vary considerably.

This is particularly true of the Interval International Five Star Award, which is based on a proprietarily developed Quality Rating Survey (QRS) that covers five general criteria: area, site, amenities, and guest services.

Interval does not publish specific scoring requirements “because of the variables involved” in its methods, says spokesperson Chirs Boesch. “Scores are weighted according to the type of vacation experience. For example, a resort in an urban area may not be required to have a full size kitchen, but may offer more in the way of guest services.”

Once a resort receives an Interval Five Star award the company relies on comment cards from exchange guest to monitor the quality of the resort’s accommodations and the vacation experience it offers.



TimeSharing Today
The Trusted Independent Voice of
Vacation Ownership since 1991
Issue #86
March/April, 2006
© TimeSharing Today


This above article was found on the internet...
 
Having read posts from others as well as observations with my own deposits it seems that RCI issues a lower trade power when a deposit is made that increases the longer the deposit has been made. This causes inpatient people to trade down to lesser units and also allows a more seasoned trader who is willing to wait get the trade they want assuring they will again deposit with RCI. Has anyone else experienced this?:rolleyes:
Well, I don't know whether RCI does this or not. In the past, Madge claimed that trade power is set when you deposit, which implies that they do not. However, I can see how it would be in RCI's interests to do this. If a week expires unused, they do not get their exchange fee for it. Therefore, they might want to offer more trades for a week that is close to expiring.
 
RCI may use a formula to obtain a numerical value for each week deposited.This is would allow inclusion in a computer program.

The formula may be of a kind such as:

DV = 0.01*NV [100 + DT + VEP]


DV is the calculated value of the deposited week at the time it is deposited. We understand that this does not change from its initial value.

NV is the numerical value that RCI may give for a particular week in its inventory, and may be determined when a resort is built or becomes a member of the RCI system.This determination will take into account the quality of the resort, the geographical area that it is in (cost of alternative hotels etc), and the particular week at that resort (if in a popular vacation period etc). This value could be fixed over its lifetime, but RCI may perhaps review this value if the resort`s standard starts to fail, or indeed if additional facilities are provided at the resort or it is improved in some way or other.

DT is the particular week (before its own start date) when the week is deposited. The maximum value for this is 104.

VEP is the Vacation Experience Profile which could be given a score up to 100. VEP takes into account the views of exchangees to that resort (and the area?).It may not give an accurate reflection of a particular week in a year, or a particular apartment. With a new resort, with few or no exchangees, perhaps RCI uses an average value for that area, or for that quality of resort. The same may apply if for some reason, there have been insufficient returns of VEP forms to accurately determine the value. The method does have merit though in that an exchangee`s experience may be equally as good (or better) in a standard resort than in a Gold Crown. (as per 3 star and 5 star hotels-I have been in some wonderful 3 star hotels). The VEP will also provide some compensation/adustment to the final value of DV if say a Gold Crown resort is getting a little tired etc.

The above is a very simple formula, and RCI may well put factors before DT or VEP depending on how important they feel each variant is.

If a week is deposited into the sytem 2 years before it its start date, and if the VEP is 100 percent (unlikely!), then DV becomes approximately 3 times NV, and we are off to a good start!

Now it is clear that there is nothing you can do about the value of your own week`s NV unless you buy into a higher quality resort/week.

However it is evident (as RCI says) that the earlier you deposit, the better, as a higher DT results in a higher DV.
If a better quality unit is deposited at a later date than yours then its DV value may well work out to be similar to yours and allow you to exchange. Thus, exchanges up the scale of quality will result.

To prevent too much incompatibility of exchanges, though, between the top flight resorts and the lower echelons(and vice versa), RCI may place a limit on the value ranges of DV in the manner DV must be < 2 NV, but always > 0.5 NV. Because of this you may never be able to trade too far up the inventory, or too far down.
:shrug:
 
Top